[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Pretty sure that some body builders lift heavy and straps do not make or break the man. I have yet to see an impressive physique on this board that would shun using them.
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Why are you and Mickey Gee so pissed off? All that has been said is that in some people’s opinions, straps are not necessary. No one is vehemently on one side or the other in the whole thread from what I can see.
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]Jackie_Jacked wrote:
Pretty sure that some body builders lift heavy and straps do not make or break the man. I have yet to see an impressive physique on this board that would shun using them.
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Why are you and Mickey Gee so pissed off? All that has been said is that in some people’s opinions, straps are not necessary. No one is vehemently on one side or the other in the whole thread from what I can see. [/quote]
Who’s pissed off? lol Why are you so defensive?
I can see where powerlifting is encroaching on body building here and the OP is not interested in grip strength ATM. Body builders are not judged on grip but aesthetics so why would they care?
Don’t get so uptight because someone has a differing opinion than you.
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
You don’t deadlift heavy amounts for any purpose but strength. [/quote]
Stupid post.
What does this even mean? First, define “heavy,” secondly the greatest bodybuilder ever has many videos of him DLing massive weights by anyones measure.
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No, what’s stupid is using heavy deadlifting for bodybuilding. It’s also idiotic to call someone else’s post stupid and then give the reason you did. There are many videos of “the greatest bodybuilder ever” doing shit that had nothing to do with bodybuilding.
Look, the bottom line is this: If you’re going to ask a question pertaining to moving a lot of weight, let’s call it ‘lifting in a powerful manner’ because the P word is such a faux pas round these parts, then you’re going to get an answer related to strength training. Most people are going to shun straps in strength training.
Do you think the OP is honestly going to be doing himself a disservice by not using straps? I doubt it.
This thread is fun, though. Let’s all keep arguing.
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
No, what’s stupid is using heavy deadlifting for bodybuilding.[/quote]
LOL - are you serious or trolling?
And referencing Coleman who had the best back ever and a DL vid of him lifting 800 is hardly the same as referencing him playing PacMan at home and saying “look this is his secret!”
Why exactly do you think “heavy” DLing is stupid for BB? And what do you consider “heavy”?
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
No, what’s stupid is using heavy deadlifting for bodybuilding. It’s also idiotic to call someone else’s post stupid and then give the reason you did. There are many videos of “the greatest bodybuilder ever” doing shit that had nothing to do with bodybuilding.
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Lots of bodybuilders deadlift heavy, it can be a great mass builder… Some bodybuilders find other things work their backs better, some find deadlifts work very well, but it’s certainly not “stupid” to deadlift heavy for bodybuilding purposes.
I don’t understand how you think Ronnie Coleman deadlifting heavy in his workout, with straps, for reps, has nothing to do with bodybuilding. Johnnie Jackson is another bodybuilder who deadlifts heavy, both for powerlifting and bodybuilding purposes, and his traps/back are his best bodyparts.
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Look, the bottom line is this: If you’re going to ask a question pertaining to moving a lot of weight, let’s call it ‘lifting in a powerful manner’ because the P word is such a faux pas round these parts, then you’re going to get an answer related to strength training. Most people are going to shun straps in strength training.
Do you think the OP is honestly going to be doing himself a disservice by not using straps? I doubt it. [/quote]
If his goals are back, and possibly glute/hamstring hypertrophy, and his grip is not allowing him to use as much weight/perform as many reps as he could with straps, then yes, I think he will not be working those muscles as well as he could if he used straps. As others said, don’t use straps until you have to, then use them, and do other grip work if you’re worried about grip strength/forearm size.
Gawd you people get your panties in a wad over the stupidest stuff.
Straps are just another tool to use in training. You use them if there’s a benefit, you don’t use them if you’re not going to benefit from them. How complicated is that?
I’m not personally a fan, but I’ve found that they’re useful in certain situations. They change the feel of certain back exercises and allow me to hit them harder and not having to constantly pull with a mixed grip seems to help with some of the chronic aches and pains I’ve accumulated over the years. And Meadows rows without straps? I don’t think so.
I’d love to see the amazing forearm development, elite deadlift numbers, and incredible backs that everyone has built without ever using straps. Surely all you anti-strap posters have all of those things?
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
I’d love to see the amazing forearm development, elite deadlift numbers, and incredible backs that everyone has built without ever using straps. Surely all you anti-strap posters have all of those things?
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best straps ive ever used by far, and cheap too
I picked up some of the Spud Inc straps, they are yellow and you can find them at elitefts. They are pretty long and are way softer than the cheap ones. They don’t cost very much and I think they’re pretty awesome for DL and rack pulls. For rowing I really like the orange elitefts old school straps. They are great for a thumb less grip.
I used to care about what people thought about using straps but I find that I feel my back more with them. If I go without, when I squeeze with a thumb wrapped around grip the tension goes straight up my forearm and my biceps seem to take over with less back recruitment.
Something else to try is the hook grip for DLs, hurts at first but I found that it is pretty strong once you get used to it.
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
You don’t deadlift heavy amounts for any purpose but strength. [/quote]
Stupid post.
What does this even mean? First, define “heavy,” secondly the greatest bodybuilder ever has many videos of him DLing massive weights by anyones measure.
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No, what’s stupid is using heavy deadlifting for bodybuilding. [/quote]
tell that to John Meadows dumbass rofl.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
You don’t deadlift heavy amounts for any purpose but strength. [/quote]
Stupid post.
What does this even mean? First, define “heavy,” secondly the greatest bodybuilder ever has many videos of him DLing massive weights by anyones measure.
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No, what’s stupid is using heavy deadlifting for bodybuilding. [/quote]
tell that to John Meadows dumbass rofl.[/quote]
I love how opinions get shit on around T-Nation.
You can say this guy does this and this guy does that. You can say this guy dl’d this, here’s a video.
I could go find an article supporting my view, and somebody would find another supporting theirs.
I gave the OP my advice, and for the record you’re not going to convince me that there’s a deadlifting weight for hypertrophy that requires straps.
Andy, the day you earn the right to insult anyone’s intelligence in these forums, I’ll send you a trophy.
OP, sorry 'bout your thread
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
Gawd you people get your panties in a wad over the stupidest stuff.
Straps are just another tool to use in training. You use them if there’s a benefit, you don’t use them if you’re not going to benefit from them. How complicated is that?
I’m not personally a fan, but I’ve found that they’re useful in certain situations. They change the feel of certain back exercises and allow me to hit them harder and not having to constantly pull with a mixed grip seems to help with some of the chronic aches and pains I’ve accumulated over the years. And Meadows rows without straps? I don’t think so.
I’d love to see the amazing forearm development, elite deadlift numbers, and incredible backs that everyone has built without ever using straps. Surely all you anti-strap posters have all of those things?
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Is that you in your avatar? if so… wow, impressive… if not, carry on… good post
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
[quote]yolo84 wrote:
[quote]Ambugaton wrote:
You don’t deadlift heavy amounts for any purpose but strength. [/quote]
Stupid post.
What does this even mean? First, define “heavy,” secondly the greatest bodybuilder ever has many videos of him DLing massive weights by anyones measure.
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No, what’s stupid is using heavy deadlifting for bodybuilding. [/quote]
tell that to John Meadows dumbass rofl.[/quote]
I gave the OP my advice, and for the record you’re not going to convince me that there’s a deadlifting weight for hypertrophy that requires straps.
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does that count for rack deadlifts too?
I appreciate all the advice, i enjoy hearing all different opinions. I decided im just going to by some cheap straps just to try it out. What i mean by heavy is what is heavy to me, anything over 300lbs makes it tough for me to hold a tight grip for more then a couple reps. It seems to slip away from my hands even with a switched grip.
Cheap straps work just great. I knew guys that used 10 inch pieces of tubular nylon for straps without a problem. There is no sense slowing down your back progression because of your grip. Work up to as heavy as you can and then switch to straps. Your grip will improve over time. Nothing builds a thick back (in my opinion…it has worked for me) like heavy deadlifts.
[quote]Iron_Made wrote:
[quote]buckeye girl wrote:
I’d love to see the amazing forearm development, elite deadlift numbers, and incredible backs that everyone has built without ever using straps. Surely all you anti-strap posters have all of those things?
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A couple pics/vids of these impressive attributes would definitely swing this discussion your way… But I have a feeling we won’t be seeing any of those.
I can’t believe this thread is still active!
[quote]cutbackcoach12 wrote:
Look at the blue nylon straps from Ironmind.com. They last years, and don’t fill your hand with wads of cotton.[/quote]
The sole voice of reason in this dismal thread.