Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder…
[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Everybody wanna be a bodybuilder…[/quote]
HA!
Yes, that man was giving out wisdom like peanuts.
As the caffeine douche bags have told me, nothing in life is free.
You gotta earn it.
Life doesn’t end at 27 either.
I have people in my engineering program who are hitting their mid 40s and they just started.
If you are really dedicated to something, you’ll do it.
It’s the same shit with the gym. You have to work hard.
This is not just gym and school but a lesson of life. The good things are worth working and fighting for.
Wanna be strong? Train.
Wanna be smart? Study.
Same shit with women too.
Don’t have money? Work, and save up.
Fuck your alcohol. Save up and go to college and get a good fucking degree. Then when you have money you can get as plastered as you want.
If not, take a stroll here
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_strong?s=pager&pageNo=1 and read a few quotes.
I really think college should be a means to an end, where you try to enjoy the ride along the way.
The problem is people just go because that’s what you’re supposed to do. This, “trying to find yourself” in college thing makes me want to puke.
If you don�??t know what you want to do, why are you in school preparing for something you haven�??t thought through yet? That�??s what college is supposed to be, preparation and training. It�??s like trying to study for an exam when you don�??t know the subject. When it�??s time for the exam (the real world) you end up looking foolish.
College isn�??t a true reflection of the field anyway; taking a class in poetry doesn�??t help you discover if you want to be an English teacher.
At some point for most people with that attitude college just becomes a shelter from the adult world. I�??m not saying you have to have it all figured out, but you need to pick a destination before you head in any given direction.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I really think college should be a means to an end, where you try to enjoy the ride along the way.
The problem is people just go because that’s what you’re supposed to do. This, “trying to find yourself” in college thing makes me want to puke.
If you don�??t know what you want to do, why are you in school preparing for something you haven�??t thought through yet? That�??s what college is supposed to be, preparation and training. It�??s like trying to study for an exam when you don�??t know the subject. When it�??s time for the exam (the real world) you end up looking foolish.
College isn�??t a true reflection of the field anyway; taking a class in poetry doesn�??t help you discover if you want to be an English teacher.
At some point for most people with that attitude college just becomes a shelter from the adult world. I�??m not saying you have to have it all figured out, but you need to pick a destination before you head in any given direction.
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He who postpones the hour of living rightly is like the rustic who waits for the river to run out before he crosses.�??Horace
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
I really think college should be a means to an end, where you try to enjoy the ride along the way.
The problem is people just go because that’s what you’re supposed to do. This, “trying to find yourself” in college thing makes me want to puke.
If you don’t know what you want to do, why are you in school preparing for something you haven’t thought through yet? That’s what college is supposed to be, preparation and training. It’s like trying to study for an exam when you don’t know the subject. When it’s time for the exam (the real world) you end up looking foolish.
College isn’t a true reflection of the field anyway; taking a class in poetry doesn’t help you discover if you want to be an English teacher.
At some point, for most people with that attitude, college just becomes a shelter from the adult world. I’m not saying you have to have it all figured out, but you need to pick a destination before you head in any given direction.
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Great post. If you are in the end of your second year and you STILL don’t have a clue what you are even working for, you have fucked up. No one is saying you can’t change your mind, but the people who will be making the higher incomes when they hit their 30’s will not be the guys who sat around in college for several years trying to find themselves or trying to figure out what they finally want their major to be.
Pick a road and start hiking.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Great post. If you are in the end of your second year and you STILL don’t have a clue what you are even working for, you have fucked up. No one is saying you can’t change your mind, but the people who will be making the higher incomes when they hit their 30’s will not be the guys who sat around in college for several years trying to find themselves or trying to figure out what they finally want their major to be.
Pick a road and start hiking. [/quote]
I agree - I’m not crazy about computer science but I picked it because I knew that I wouldn’t be able to afford college forever. Now I have the financial resources to go back and try a bunch of new things if I want to. But i’ve pretty much determined I don’t have a field that’s really my passion in life.
Some people do and have to find it, but if it’s not obvious after looking for a year or two, then you either don’t have one and need to settle or you aren’t really looking hard enough.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
True story:
One of my friends came into school as a computer science major. He got a ‘D’ in his first data structures class and decided to switch to poli sci. 5 years on, he’s gotten his EMT (they make $10/hr), worked as an ambulance driver, tried to become a fireman (every guy now wants to be a fireman), and is now enrolled in a nursing program to become an RN (which requires 4 more years, I think). Which would have been easier for him, sucking it up in the computer science curriculum or what he’s doing now? I’m pretty sure I know what I would have done (and what I told him to do at the time), but he wouldn’t do it. [/quote]
It might actually be a good thing he dropped CS though - speaking from experience (I’ve tutored tons of kids in CS, even considered getting my Ph.D and trying to be a prof) there are a lot of people who start out who just don’t get it - the lower level classes are a cakewalk compared to the higher level ones, and it’s not a matter of being able to work hard, some people just don’t have the talent for it as much.
I’ve seen a lot of people get bad grade in the lower classes and then stick to it and then absolutely drown in the higher level classes and being forced to switch, causing them to have wasted a ton of their time in college.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
True story:
One of my friends came into school as a computer science major. He got a ‘D’ in his first data structures class and decided to switch to poli sci. 5 years on, he’s gotten his EMT (they make $10/hr), worked as an ambulance driver, tried to become a fireman (every guy now wants to be a fireman), and is now enrolled in a nursing program to become an RN (which requires 4 more years, I think). Which would have been easier for him, sucking it up in the computer science curriculum or what he’s doing now? I’m pretty sure I know what I would have done (and what I told him to do at the time), but he wouldn’t do it.
That depends. If there was a “D” on my transcript in college, I would have screwed any chances of doing what I am doing now.
Some people just need to find for themselves what they are good at. I agree though, there is definitely something wrong when someone simply can not commit at all. That seems to be his problem. Nursing school isn’t easy. If easy is what he is looking for, he won’t find it in too many careers that actually pay well.[/quote]
I got a C- in the same class (hardly better, but passing), and I managed to graduate with a similar-but-equally-difficult degree. He could have re-taken the class and probably done a lot better the next time. Our CS department wasn’t exactly known for its teaching competence.
My point was, nursing is an undergraduate degree, so is CS, but he’s put himself through a lot more pain with the current route he’s chosen rather than just sticking it out to begin with.
The guy partied and drank a lot in college, so I know there were a few hours here and there that could have been better spent. I had a lot less fun in college than other people because I was always studying. I have a lot less pain now.
You were on the medical route, so a “D” would have sank you right off the bat, no question. The curriculum this guy was in was more forgiving. At the very least, he could have said, "Gee, I don’t like CS, but I do like nursing and it pays well.
I think I’ll transfer to such a school and apply myself," but he didn’t. He decided to put the next three years on autopilot and continue the same way he had been going. Not too good of an idea.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
College is absolutely worth it if you’re a science or applied science major or are sure that you will get into law school at the end of your undergraduate work. Otherwise, it is not.
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Again, this is generally a crock of shit because it’s based on one person’s experience. Allow me to add my own experience with education: Nearly everyone from my MBA program had a non-applied science major in undergrad - liberal arts or finance degrees. They also ALL had 2+ years of work experience post undergrad from all different lines of work. Every one of my friends is in a good job, making beaucoup $$$, relative to the average American. In fact, many outperform MDs and lawyers in the salary department.
Too many people misuse college and don’t get out of it what they should. It is not a guarantee for success just as foregoing college is not a career death sentence. But it can often be a shortcut to success, opening doors that could otherwise take several years longer to circumvent.
That’s my story, but what do I know, I just wasted my time with an economics degree.
DB
[quote]blazindave wrote:
As the caffeine douche bags have told me, nothing in life is free.
You gotta earn it.
Life doesn’t end at 27 either.
I have people in my engineering program who are hitting their mid 40s and they just started.
If you are really dedicated to something, you’ll do it.
It’s the same shit with the gym. You have to work hard.
This is not just gym and school but a lesson of life. The good things are worth working and fighting for.
Wanna be strong? Train.
Wanna be smart? Study.
Same shit with women too.
Don’t have money? Work, and save up.
Fuck your alcohol. Save up and go to college and get a good fucking degree. Then when you have money you can get as plastered as you want.
If not, take a stroll here
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_strong?s=pager&pageNo=1 and read a few quotes.
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caffeine douche bags? I believe I am that douche bag. Actually, i’m closer to being a colostomy bag since i’m full of shit.
Somebody’s carrying a little bit of anger with them.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
I really think college should be a means to an end, where you try to enjoy the ride along the way.
The problem is people just go because that’s what you’re supposed to do. This, “trying to find yourself” in college thing makes me want to puke.
If you don’t know what you want to do, why are you in school preparing for something you haven’t thought through yet? That’s what college is supposed to be, preparation and training. It’s like trying to study for an exam when you don’t know the subject. When it’s time for the exam (the real world) you end up looking foolish.
College isn’t a true reflection of the field anyway; taking a class in poetry doesn’t help you discover if you want to be an English teacher.
At some point, for most people with that attitude, college just becomes a shelter from the adult world. I’m not saying you have to have it all figured out, but you need to pick a destination before you head in any given direction.
Great post. If you are in the end of your second year and you STILL don’t have a clue what you are even working for, you have fucked up. No one is saying you can’t change your mind, but the people who will be making the higher incomes when they hit their 30’s will not be the guys who sat around in college for several years trying to find themselves or trying to figure out what they finally want their major to be.
Pick a road and start hiking. [/quote]
And yet how many people do you know who are well into adulthood who say (half-jokingly) “I still dont know what I want to do when I grow up?” I’ve heard this a number of times. Also, I’m not sure that this
" but you need to pick a destination before you head in any given direction."
syncs up with this
“Pick a road and start hiking.”
For a lot of people, they did pick a road - the college road - to see where it would take them. Some people take a little longer at the crossroads than others, but the OPs problem is that he has made a few wrong turns, and instead of trying to get back on track he has sat down, set up camp and is now eating all of his provisions leaving nothing for the road ahead … assuming that he picks himself up and starts hiking again.
EDIT to add:
[quote]Dollarbill44 wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
College is absolutely worth it if you’re a science or applied science major or are sure that you will get into law school at the end of your undergraduate work. Otherwise, it is not.
Again, this is generally a crock of shit because it’s based on one person’s experience. Allow me to add my own experience with education: Nearly everyone from my MBA program had a non-applied science major in undergrad - liberal arts or finance degrees. They also ALL had 2+ years of work experience post undergrad from all different lines of work. Every one of my friends is in a good job, making beaucoup $$$, relative to the average American. In fact, many outperform MDs and lawyers in the salary department.
Too many people misuse college and don’t get out of it what they should. It is not a guarantee for success just as foregoing college is not a career death sentence. But it can often be a shortcut to success, opening doors that could otherwise take several years longer to circumvent.
That’s my story, but what do I know, I just wasted my time with an economics degree.
DB[/quote]
DB is my hero
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
And yet how many people do you know who are well into adulthood who say (half-jokingly) “I still dont know what I want to do when I grow up?” I’ve heard this a number of times.[/quote]
Guy, I am still not done becoming what I want to be when I grow up. That has little to do with what I currently do as a career choice.
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Also, I’m not sure that this
" but you need to pick a destination before you head in any given direction."
syncs up with this
“Pick a road and start hiking.”
For a lot of people, they did pick a road - the college road - to see where it would take them.[/quote]
Simply going to college is not picking a road. Deciding to study for an entire week for Biology finals while everyone else is out partying is picking a road. I knew tons of people in college who hardly went to class. None of that shows dedication or perseverance towards a goal.
If you are in college, have chosen a major and are kicking ass in it, you have chosen a road. If you are struggling to stay in school because you missed 50% of the lectures and failed most of the tests, you don’t get a gold star for showing up.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
And yet how many people do you know who are well into adulthood who say (half-jokingly) “I still dont know what I want to do when I grow up?” I’ve heard this a number of times.
Guy, I am still not done becoming what I want to be when I grow up. That has little to do with what I currently do as a career choice.[/quote]
Well then this is more semantics than anything else. To me “career” implies somehting more than “job.” Yes none of us (hopefully) is (solely) defined by our employment. But if youre spending 40-60 hours a week doing something that you expect to do for the next 30-40 years, then it does have have a lot to do with what you “are” as a grownup.
[quote] Also, I’m not sure that this
" but you need to pick a destination before you head in any given direction."
syncs up with this
“Pick a road and start hiking.”
For a lot of people, they did pick a road - the college road - to see where it would take them.
Simply going to college is not picking a road. Deciding to study for an entire week for Biology finals while everyone else is out partying is picking a road. I knew tons of people in college who hardly went to class. None of that shows dedication or perseverance towards a goal.
If you are in college, have chosen a major and are kicking ass in it, you have chosen a road. If you are struggling to stay in school because you missed 50% of the lectures and failed most of the tests, you don’t get a gold star for showing up.[/quote]
Studying for exams for a week isnt picking a road. It’s a week long commitment. You really havent given anything up, you havent committed yourself to anything, your options are still open. On the other hand, if you are truggling to stay in school because you missed 50% of the lectures and failed most of the tests, then you HAVE chosen a road.
I dont think it’s a very good one, and you probably wont be happy with the results, but many would argue that that is a choice you made.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
True story:
One of my friends came into school as a computer science major. He got a ‘D’ in his first data structures class and decided to switch to poli sci. 5 years on, he’s gotten his EMT (they make $10/hr), worked as an ambulance driver, tried to become a fireman (every guy now wants to be a fireman), and is now enrolled in a nursing program to become an RN (which requires 4 more years, I think). Which would have been easier for him, sucking it up in the computer science curriculum or what he’s doing now? I’m pretty sure I know what I would have done (and what I told him to do at the time), but he wouldn’t do it. [/quote]
Shit, this almost describes me. Except I dropped out of high school, worked for a few years, joined the Marine Corps. After getting out of the Marine Corps with no job skills or real education I decided I better figure out what I am going to do with my life. I started just taking random general education classes at the community college.
The only thing I had a passion for was football, so I thought of just becoming a teacher so I could coach high school football. But I didn’t really want to teach and coaching football is a poor reason to become a teacher.
With my military background, I thought about both the police and fire department. The fire dept in Milwaukee was on a huge hiring wait list, so I looked at being an EMT. Then I saw how little they actually make. Then, for whatever reason, I looked into becoming an RN.
I was hesitant at first to commit myself, but after looking into it, I applied for the nursing program. And here I am now, even though it took me almost ten years of fucking off to figure out where I was going in life.
He who postpones the hour of living rightly is like the rustic who waits for the river to run out before he crosses.�??Horace
Love the philosophical ending.
“If you want to climb a mountain, begin at the top.”
Zen Saying
“We have met the enemy and he is us” Pogo
Self doubt and fear can rule ones life-must be vigilant.
[quote]imhungry wrote:
blazindave wrote:
As the caffeine douche bags have told me, nothing in life is free.
You gotta earn it.
Life doesn’t end at 27 either.
I have people in my engineering program who are hitting their mid 40s and they just started.
If you are really dedicated to something, you’ll do it.
It’s the same shit with the gym. You have to work hard.
This is not just gym and school but a lesson of life. The good things are worth working and fighting for.
Wanna be strong? Train.
Wanna be smart? Study.
Same shit with women too.
Don’t have money? Work, and save up.
Fuck your alcohol. Save up and go to college and get a good fucking degree. Then when you have money you can get as plastered as you want.
If not, take a stroll here
http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_forum/sports_body_training_performance_bodybuilding_strong?s=pager&pageNo=1 and read a few quotes.
caffeine douche bags? I believe I am that douche bag. Actually, i’m closer to being a colostomy bag since i’m full of shit.
Somebody’s carrying a little bit of anger with them.[/quote]
Haha. I was just joking around. I thought the caffeine douchebags would get it but it seems some people’s sarcasm meters are broken.
holy shit this took off…her’es waht si was thinking
October 21, 2008
I�??m so lonely. When I was growing up the only things that mattered to me were the friends I was surrounded with, the girl I was going out with, and the quality of the life I led. Prestige, money, power, none of that ever mattered to me. I was proud of the way I excelled in school unlike anyone else I�??ve known. But it wasn�??t the be-all end-all for me. I always was cognizant of what really mattered to me, the friends, girl, family, etc. Yet here I am 27, and I still don�??t have a group of friends that I trust, or even any that have shown me that I can trust them. I�??ve never had a real relationship, I�??ve never even had a girl be interested in me really. I see girls on my IM list leave up happy away messages about going to see some guy they�??re dating, or here them excitedly call some guy they�??re seeing. I�??ve never had anyone do anything even that small with me. No one�??s ever been excited to be with me, or even wanted to be with me. I�??m not saying I�??m surrounded by people in happy relationships, I know just as many people that seem to get dragged down by theirs, as those that have it add something to their lives. But even those who are in miserable ones now at some point have had something happy. Just a taste would be amazing. To live for even a week knowing that there was someone out there who thought about me from time to time or got all happy when I called, that would be amazing. The simplest things; they escape me.
It�??s not like I�??ve �??choked�?? or I act different with girls, it just hasn�??t happened, and it always goes the same no matter what I do or say or how I act. I�??m out of ideas. People say �??oh don�??t look and it�??ll find you�??. Bull. There�??s 7 billion people on Earth and that might�??ve worked for 1% at most. I�??ve tried not looking. I�??ve tried looking. I�??ve tried throwing myself out there, putting my best foot forward, be yourself, be mysterious, accentuate your good qualities, don�??t try too hard, don�??t act desperate, be chivalrous, be aggressive, be brusque, don�??t try anything at all, and every other hollow platitude that people throw out there for advice. It doesn�??t work. I go out, I talk about what I do now, where I came from a bit, what I want to do with my life, anything fun or out of the ordinary I�??ve done lately. I find common ground with the girl, things we both like to do, music we both like, etc. None of it works. None of it matters. No matter what I do the only people that even want a 2nd date with me usually turn out to be total losers; coke addicts (I find out later) or shit like that. Even they run after 1 or 2 times.
It used to be that after taking a break from dating I would come back a month or two later, and it would take things going awful with 5 or 6 girls. Then it was 4 or 5, now it�??s like 2 or 3. Baggage is something you carry with you when you�??re not in that situation anymore. I don�??t have any right now because when I stop dating or thinking about it, it goes away. But that buffer is being eroded. Pretty soon it�??ll just be there constantly. Then whenever I go on a date or anything like that it�??ll be there in my attitude. Instead of giving each girl a chance, instead of being happy to meet someone new like I am every time I go out with someone now, it�??ll just be hanging around my neck. I may be right on that tipping point now after the latest girl showed she wasn�??t interested. The thought of going on another date, talking to another person and talking about my plans, what I�??ve done recently for fun, what I�??ve done for school, all that stuff�?�it just makes me nauseous. This is usually where�??d I decide it�??s time to take a few months off. But it feels deeper this time, like something in me has been squashed out of existence. Instead of feeling a little burnt out, I feel dead.
I am just so lonely and so tired.
I mean I just can�??t believe how poorly my life has gone. I have so many skills and was doing so well in every other area, and none of it mattered because at the very core, the things I cared about, I never really had. It�??s not like I ignored the fact and tried to cover it with work or school either. I was aware of it the whole time, and would work on it, and try to seek what I wanted, but even when I found it, it never wanted me back. I always say I want to live 104 years so that I can see a century encapsulated and see everything that�??s happened. But now when I look back at the things I�??ve written before I don�??t even feel any nostalgia or anything at all, just numb. I want to sleep for 40 years now, or just turn to dust and sleep forever.
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
holy shit this took off…her’es waht si was thinking…
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Oh come on, it can’t be that hard for you to find a nice girl.
You must be really ugly or something…
When you start to believe that you cant be successful you accept defeat and that’s your worst enemy.Stop thinking about the past, it doesnt matter how long you let it rot in your mind it will not change. We all have a life to live and ten years of shit can be fixed with a life time of more shit.You have to start positive changes in your life.Being the emo kid wont help you,people have enough shit going on to have friends who make them depressed.
Always think of the positive experiences from any situation and start working for a better future.You are very intelligent and you went to college.Now is the time…even if it is later then usually to dedicate yourself to a job for a while. The hole your in wont get smaller if you keep making it bigger. you know that more obstacles are coming your way so get ready for them.As for finding a girl… seriously be yourself, acting like the tough guy or what ever might get you a month long relationship with the hot girl at the bar but you need someone who will give you emotional support and make you really happy. One piece of advice is start looking in different places… instead of the bar be adventurous and try new things and look for friends and a girl who dont go to the bar every night.I used to be a loner and avoided gettin really close with any friends I did have, now im starting to get close with alot of my friends and people I thought id never be friends with i’m good friends with now.
[quote]AccipiterQ wrote:
times.
I am just so lonely and so tired.
I mean I just can�??t believe how poorly my life has gone. I have so many skills and was doing so well in every other area, and none of it mattered because at the very core, the things I cared about, I never really had. It�??s not like I ignored the fact and tried to cover it with work or school either. I was aware of it the whole time, and would work on it, and try to seek what I wanted, but even when I found it, it never wanted me back. I always say I want to live 104 years so that I can see a century encapsulated and see everything that�??s happened. But now when I look back at the things I�??ve written before I don�??t even feel any nostalgia or anything at all, just numb. I want to sleep for 40 years now, or just turn to dust and sleep forever.
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If you are for real -seek mental health professional immediately. You sound like someone suffering from depression with self esteem issues.
Don’t be so proud get back on track. From your writing you sound like an intelligent guy. I saw your profile and you can’t get a girl!
Seriously get some counseling.