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[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]jeanmich wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
So how about someone starts posting some pics of legit well developed naturals so we can get this back on track and give some of us Natty losers some inspirational physiques? [/quote]

100% all naturale[/quote]

When you got up to 225 naturally, what was your bodyfat? Abs visible?
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This is me at 235 when I was playing ball still and I was natural.[/quote]

Hell of a physique man! What did you play?[/quote]

I played middle linebacker. Had good size, but not the speed to be anything special.
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I really wish that a sport like wrestling was big in the south because of guys that look like you that are obviously strong as bull but maybe not as fast as some others. Not saying that you would have wrestled or necessarily been good but I think our Olympic committee would do themselves a service to try to spread certain sports further than there one little region. (This is of course assuming that wrestling gets back into the Olympics)

/off-topic rambling[/quote]

I tried wrestling for 2 weeks lol. They put me with the huge linemen types during practice and I was manhandling them (A good wrestler would have destroyed me had no clue what I was doing I was just stronger and quicker). Got bored quick and really wasnā€™t into it. Had more fun throwing shot and disc/ flirting with the track babes than wrestling sweaty dudes.
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Do public schools in Tennessee wrestle or is it just private? I knew that the private ones did but unsure of the others.[/quote]

Some do if I recall correctly. I went to an all male private school, Memphis University School.

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]jeanmich wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
So how about someone starts posting some pics of legit well developed naturals so we can get this back on track and give some of us Natty losers some inspirational physiques? [/quote]

100% all naturale[/quote]

When you got up to 225 naturally, what was your bodyfat? Abs visible?
[/quote]

This is me at 235 when I was playing ball still and I was natural.[/quote]

Hell of a physique man! What did you play?[/quote]

I played middle linebacker. Had good size, but not the speed to be anything special.
[/quote]

I really wish that a sport like wrestling was big in the south because of guys that look like you that are obviously strong as bull but maybe not as fast as some others. Not saying that you would have wrestled or necessarily been good but I think our Olympic committee would do themselves a service to try to spread certain sports further than there one little region. (This is of course assuming that wrestling gets back into the Olympics)

/off-topic rambling[/quote]

I tried wrestling for 2 weeks lol. They put me with the huge linemen types during practice and I was manhandling them (A good wrestler would have destroyed me had no clue what I was doing I was just stronger and quicker). Got bored quick and really wasnā€™t into it. Had more fun throwing shot and disc/ flirting with the track babes than wrestling sweaty dudes.
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Do public schools in Tennessee wrestle or is it just private? I knew that the private ones did but unsure of the others.[/quote]

Some do if I recall correctly. I went to an all male private school, Memphis University School.
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Thatā€™s cool. I watched MUS play South Panola in 2009 and 2010.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]bpick86 wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]jeanmich wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
So how about someone starts posting some pics of legit well developed naturals so we can get this back on track and give some of us Natty losers some inspirational physiques? [/quote]

100% all naturale[/quote]

When you got up to 225 naturally, what was your bodyfat? Abs visible?
[/quote]

This is me at 235 when I was playing ball still and I was natural.[/quote]

Hell of a physique man! What did you play?[/quote]

I played middle linebacker. Had good size, but not the speed to be anything special.
[/quote]

I really wish that a sport like wrestling was big in the south because of guys that look like you that are obviously strong as bull but maybe not as fast as some others. Not saying that you would have wrestled or necessarily been good but I think our Olympic committee would do themselves a service to try to spread certain sports further than there one little region. (This is of course assuming that wrestling gets back into the Olympics)

/off-topic rambling[/quote]

I tried wrestling for 2 weeks lol. They put me with the huge linemen types during practice and I was manhandling them (A good wrestler would have destroyed me had no clue what I was doing I was just stronger and quicker). Got bored quick and really wasnā€™t into it. Had more fun throwing shot and disc/ flirting with the track babes than wrestling sweaty dudes.
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I tried wrestling, too. But, by the time I got the lube on, both me and the pig were exhausā€¦ wait, wrong threadā€¦ sorry.
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Please, tell the forum what you were attempting to accomplish with this post. Seriously. Please justify this with something other than yet another snarky, belligerent, self-serving, petulant post.

If you canā€™t (which, sneak preview, you canā€™t), then youā€™re contributing to the bullshit that goes on in these forums as much as your nemesis.
:)[/quote]

Ya know, ignoring the post would have given it less credence and would be a bigger benefit to the forum than what was posted.
Just sayin.

Aaaaaaaanyway, programming and nutrition for a newbie is EASY compared to and intermediate or advanced lifter.
Start with a basic template and their bodies SHOULD respond easily because they have a ton or untapped potential.[/quote]
You are so wise SteelyD.
Teach me your ways.

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[quote]mistereg wrote:
First time poster, lurker since 2004ā€¦Sorry for my Englishā€¦

Since there isnā€™t an accurate mathematical modelling of the human body nobody knows what is the natural limit of the human body as far as lbm is concerned. I mean there isnā€™t an equation where we can plug in some numbers and get as a result this ā€œnatural limitā€. We can make a rough estimation based on the top natural bodybuilders but 1) their contest weight and shape is different than what people consider as lean (add at least 10 pounds on the contest weight) 2) best bodybuilders are not the the ones who are the most heavy and lean.

Bodybuilding is not the sport of ā€œwhoā€™s got the most lbm and being the leanerā€. I know two guys in various sports (wrestling and basketball) who are very lean (6-10% bf) and weigh almost the same as this ā€œnatural limit lbm numbersā€ suggest. (one of these guys is 5ā€™10 and weighs 210 lbs). They have never touched a weight in their lifeā€¦Both of them have huge legs and small upper bodies. So what do u think would happen if these guys started lifting weights? They would add lbm and would be over the ā€œnatural limitā€ easily. Does this makes them top natural bodybuilders?

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Keep yapping though. For a thread on Natural achievement, I thought that being a competitor as well as a WNBF/INBF contest judge might allow me to provide some good insight. Iā€™ll just leave it to you though. Youā€™ve read muscle magazines for a long time, and also train at the same gym as a few NPC competitors. It holds the same water. Iā€™m out, enjoy the thread, itā€™s all about you now anyway (again).[/quote]

Prof X seems like a knowledgeable guy with real world experience. He is also a big buy and he claims to be natural. Iā€™m not sure for the last part but to be honest I donā€™t care. His post are right to the point and he has a straightforward approach. On the contrary u pretend to be an elite level coach (like the most of the coaches here who claim elite status but they have just trained their girlfriends) but u r just a clown. You also look like an anorexic virgin girl compared to Prof X. Iā€™ve read many of your posts and honestly thereā€™s nothing useful in them. So please stfu. [/quote]

5 10, 210 and 6-10% natural? Oh no bro.

Brickhead says you are either a) lying b) your friends are on roids c) you donā€™t know what bodyfat is. Because he talked to a load of bodybuilders about it. Who apparently are all pathological liars. Does that make much sense?

And to people that level the charge of pompous against the prof, if you want to rank your degree in sports nutrition or something similar equal or better than a med school degree then you are the one being pompous.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I know right. Like the guy who has an affinity for size was born with a barbell in his hands. He just was never a noob. Not to mention all the other kinds of people who are complete noobs to the gym.

Noob: someone NEW to the gym, not a ā€œbig guyā€ who lifted years ago.

Oh, itā€™s false that nutrition coaches or dietitians use intuition in the beginning, as if theyā€™re wizards who know EXACTLY how their INITIAL diet plan will work out.

Waiting for more talk of ā€œmade up peopleā€, as if we shouldnā€™t use general terms like ā€œnoobā€.

So what exercises do you have your cousin doing and why?

Sets, reps, schedule?

And most importantly, WHY?
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Dude, in that thread ā€œprofessor x a questionā€ that lasted for 8 years I went over what I would ahve a beginner do.

All you have to do is read that thread if you are that interested in what I think of that subject.

I have my cousin doing what I do in the gym as far as exercises. The only difference is the weight used.

I am training back tonight. I wonā€™t know exactly how many sets and reps and exercises I will do until I get there. Whether I do three exercises or five will all depend on how I feel during that workout.

Now, correct me if I am wrong, but this answers your question even if you keep begging for specifics.

We may do mostly machines or may do dumbbell rows in addition to T-bar rows.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
It also dawned on me X. What about the guys who donā€™t have ā€œaffinity for sizeā€ and never stepped into the gym. Or if you were to train someone, would you reserve your expertise only for muscle gods?[/quote]

I am not a personal trainer anymore so I would reserve training someone for people I actually know personally.

Most of the people I know do not fall into the ā€œweak geneticsā€ category. Nearly all are ex-athletes of some kind.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
And to people that level the charge of pompous against the prof, if you want to rank your degree in sports nutrition or something similar equal or better than a med school degree then you are the one being pompous.
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BINGO.

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
5 10, 210 and 6-10% natural? Oh no bro.

Brickhead says you are either a) lying b) your friends are on roids c) you donā€™t know what bodyfat is. Because he talked to a load of bodybuilders about it. Who apparently are all pathological liars. Does that make much sense?
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5ā€™10, 210 pounds @ 10% isnā€™t unattainable as a natural and Iā€™m sure Brick would agree.
Please try not to stir up more S, things have become civil lately and lets yet to keep it that way.
Iā€™m sure we can keep it civil for a little while until some mega douche decides to try and really stir it up againā€¦
Did you get a chance to snap a photo of your massive guns for me?
I am still waiting for the arms tips because mine are lagging :frowning:

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
5 10, 210 and 6-10% natural? Oh no bro.

Brickhead says you are either a) lying b) your friends are on roids c) you donā€™t know what bodyfat is. Because he talked to a load of bodybuilders about it. Who apparently are all pathological liars. Does that make much sense?
[/quote]
5ā€™10, 210 pounds @ 10% isnā€™t unattainable as a natural and Iā€™m sure Brick would agree.
Please try not to stir up more S.
Did you get a chance to snap a photo of your massive guns for me?
I am still waiting for the arms tips because mine are lagging :([/quote]

You do not speak for Brickā€¦or do you?

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
5 10, 210 and 6-10% natural? Oh no bro.

Brickhead says you are either a) lying b) your friends are on roids c) you donā€™t know what bodyfat is. Because he talked to a load of bodybuilders about it. Who apparently are all pathological liars. Does that make much sense?
[/quote]
5ā€™10, 210 pounds @ 10% isnā€™t unattainable as a natural and Iā€™m sure Brick would agree.
Please try not to stir up more S.
Did you get a chance to snap a photo of your massive guns for me?
I am still waiting for the arms tips because mine are lagging :([/quote]

Agreed with this

What isnā€™t believable is MGs buddy 5ā€™8 or w/e and 225 and ready to step in stage

5ā€™10 at 210 10% is much different

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
5 10, 210 and 6-10% natural? Oh no bro.

Brickhead says you are either a) lying b) your friends are on roids c) you donā€™t know what bodyfat is. Because he talked to a load of bodybuilders about it. Who apparently are all pathological liars. Does that make much sense?
[/quote]
5ā€™10, 210 pounds @ 10% isnā€™t unattainable as a natural and Iā€™m sure Brick would agree.
Please try not to stir up more S.
Did you get a chance to snap a photo of your massive guns for me?
I am still waiting for the arms tips because mine are lagging :([/quote]

You do not speak for Brickā€¦or do you?
[/quote]

No but we do know how to read better enough and comprehend what he writes

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
5 10, 210 and 6-10% natural? Oh no bro.

Brickhead says you are either a) lying b) your friends are on roids c) you donā€™t know what bodyfat is. Because he talked to a load of bodybuilders about it. Who apparently are all pathological liars. Does that make much sense?
[/quote]
5ā€™10, 210 pounds @ 10% isnā€™t unattainable as a natural and Iā€™m sure Brick would agree.
Please try not to stir up more S.
Did you get a chance to snap a photo of your massive guns for me?
I am still waiting for the arms tips because mine are lagging :([/quote]

You do not speak for Brickā€¦or do you?
[/quote]

No but we do know how to read better enough and comprehend what he writes
[/quote]

Then he can clarify for those who do not see things like you doā€¦all by himself.

ā€¦and who is ā€œweā€?

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[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]mistereg wrote:
First time poster, lurker since 2004ā€¦Sorry for my Englishā€¦

Since there isnā€™t an accurate mathematical modelling of the human body nobody knows what is the natural limit of the human body as far as lbm is concerned. I mean there isnā€™t an equation where we can plug in some numbers and get as a result this ā€œnatural limitā€. We can make a rough estimation based on the top natural bodybuilders but 1) their contest weight and shape is different than what people consider as lean (add at least 10 pounds on the contest weight) 2) best bodybuilders are not the the ones who are the most heavy and lean.

Bodybuilding is not the sport of ā€œwhoā€™s got the most lbm and being the leanerā€. I know two guys in various sports (wrestling and basketball) who are very lean (6-10% bf) and weigh almost the same as this ā€œnatural limit lbm numbersā€ suggest. (one of these guys is 5ā€™10 and weighs 210 lbs). They have never touched a weight in their lifeā€¦Both of them have huge legs and small upper bodies. So what do u think would happen if these guys started lifting weights? They would add lbm and would be over the ā€œnatural limitā€ easily. Does this makes them top natural bodybuilders?

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
Keep yapping though. For a thread on Natural achievement, I thought that being a competitor as well as a WNBF/INBF contest judge might allow me to provide some good insight. Iā€™ll just leave it to you though. Youā€™ve read muscle magazines for a long time, and also train at the same gym as a few NPC competitors. It holds the same water. Iā€™m out, enjoy the thread, itā€™s all about you now anyway (again).[/quote]

Prof X seems like a knowledgeable guy with real world experience. He is also a big buy and he claims to be natural. Iā€™m not sure for the last part but to be honest I donā€™t care. His post are right to the point and he has a straightforward approach. On the contrary u pretend to be an elite level coach (like the most of the coaches here who claim elite status but they have just trained their girlfriends) but u r just a clown. You also look like an anorexic virgin girl compared to Prof X. Iā€™ve read many of your posts and honestly thereā€™s nothing useful in them. So please stfu. [/quote]

5 10, 210 and 6-10% natural? Oh no bro.

[/quote]

Maximum anonymous butthurt round 2.

Your friend does not have an year round Olympia physique as a nattyā€¦you never offered any proof that you train with this magical outlier.

You also talk a lot for an anonymous member with zero pics of your massive gunz to give credence to anything you say.

Just remember that if you steal pics from somebody else Dr. Google Reverse Image Search with find you.

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ā€¦I personally would like to hear from Brickā€¦when someone refers to Brickā€¦not the ā€œweā€ who seem to speak for each other.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
No but we do know how to read better enough and comprehend what he writes
[/quote]
Ryan, what where do you draw the Natty Line in The Sand between believable, questionable, no way Jose?
Hypothetically speaking and obviously this isnā€™t 100% set in stone.
I would be interested in hearing some hypothetical numbers.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
No but we do know how to read better enough and comprehend what he writes
[/quote]
Ryan, what where do you draw the Natty Line in The Sand between believable, questionable, no way Jose?
Hypothetically speaking and obviously this isnā€™t 100% set in stone.
I would be interested in hearing some hypothetical numbers.[/quote]

Already stated 3lbs per inch lean.

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[quote]mistereg wrote:
I know two guys in various sports (wrestling and basketball) who are very lean (6-10% bf) and weigh almost the same as this ā€œnatural limit lbm numbersā€ suggest. (one of these guys is 5ā€™10 and weighs 210 lbs). They have never touched a weight in their lifeā€¦Both of them have huge legs and small upper bodies. So what do u think would happen if these guys started lifting weights? They would add lbm and would be over the ā€œnatural limitā€ easily. Does this makes them top natural bodybuilders?[/quote]

It is very likely that they wouldnā€™t add any significant size regardless of protocol or diet.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ā€¦I personally would like to hear from Brickā€¦when someone refers to Brickā€¦not the ā€œweā€ who seem to speak for each other.[/quote]

I donā€™t know what Brick thinks but 5ā€™10" 10% 210 is pretty attainable. Having done that and never touched a weight with no upper body size as was alluded to is very questionable but maybe they work some type of very physically demanding job that forced them to become built without gym time. However MassiveGuns 5ā€™6" 220lb 6% year round natty friend is mythical. At least one, and most likely two of those descriptors is false.

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[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]mistereg wrote:
I know two guys in various sports (wrestling and basketball) who are very lean (6-10% bf) and weigh almost the same as this ā€œnatural limit lbm numbersā€ suggest. (one of these guys is 5ā€™10 and weighs 210 lbs). They have never touched a weight in their lifeā€¦Both of them have huge legs and small upper bodies. So what do u think would happen if these guys started lifting weights? They would add lbm and would be over the ā€œnatural limitā€ easily. Does this makes them top natural bodybuilders?[/quote]

It is very likely that they wouldnā€™t add any significant size regardless of protocol or diet.
[/quote]

The mass might just move around based on what responds best to training. As you stated in your thread

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[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]mistereg wrote:
I know two guys in various sports (wrestling and basketball) who are very lean (6-10% bf) and weigh almost the same as this ā€œnatural limit lbm numbersā€ suggest. (one of these guys is 5ā€™10 and weighs 210 lbs). They have never touched a weight in their lifeā€¦Both of them have huge legs and small upper bodies. So what do u think would happen if these guys started lifting weights? They would add lbm and would be over the ā€œnatural limitā€ easily. Does this makes them top natural bodybuilders?[/quote]

It is very likely that they wouldnā€™t add any significant size regardless of protocol or diet.
[/quote]

I am very interested in what makes you think this.

Someone who never trained like a bodybuilder would be lagging in many areasā€¦so how would they possibly not gain any size at all if they started training like one?