What Naturals are Truly Capable of...

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
For a newb I would reccomend a strength split and learning how to track food. Get that engrained early. Teach them good choices for food first then slowly transition to iifym if they can handle it. Then basically give them a bunch of templates and tell them to experiment and they like and progress with. [/quote]

what would be an example of this strength split?[/quote]

Starting strength, 5,3,1 ect so many have been posted. Or make your own but focusing on a couple lifts for strength and a couple accessories.

I would end up,doing very close to what the two free trainers here did. Lots of questions to find preferences and go from there [/quote]

just for the example sake.

stats
6’0
160lb
18years old
no previous weight training experience.

how would you go about setting up his first say 1-2 years of lifting?[/quote]

Goals?[/quote]

to get as big and lean as possible. i was only asking these questions because of how brick bought up alot of people being very vague when giving advice to newbs. i just thought it could generate some good information.

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
So how about someone starts posting some pics of legit well developed naturals so we can get this back on track and give some of us Natty losers some inspirational physiques? [/quote]

100% all naturale[/quote]

Cereals? Who is that man? [/quote]

My training partner.

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
For a newb I would reccomend a strength split and learning how to track food. Get that engrained early. Teach them good choices for food first then slowly transition to iifym if they can handle it. Then basically give them a bunch of templates and tell them to experiment and they like and progress with. [/quote]

what would be an example of this strength split?[/quote]

Starting strength, 5,3,1 ect so many have been posted. Or make your own but focusing on a couple lifts for strength and a couple accessories.

I would end up,doing very close to what the two free trainers here did. Lots of questions to find preferences and go from there [/quote]

just for the example sake.

stats
6’0
160lb
18years old
no previous weight training experience.

how would you go about setting up his first say 1-2 years of lifting?[/quote]

Goals?[/quote]

to get as big and lean as possible. i was only asking these questions because of how brick bought up alot of people being very vague when giving advice to newbs. i just thought it could generate some good information.[/quote]
They’re vague because there’s so much you can say that will work.

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
So how about someone starts posting some pics of legit well developed naturals so we can get this back on track and give some of us Natty losers some inspirational physiques? [/quote]

100% all naturale[/quote]

When you got up to 225 naturally, what was your bodyfat? Abs visible?
[/quote]

This is me at 235 when I was playing ball still and I was natural.

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
So how about someone starts posting some pics of legit well developed naturals so we can get this back on track and give some of us Natty losers some inspirational physiques? [/quote]

100% all naturale[/quote]

When you got up to 225 naturally, what was your bodyfat? Abs visible?
[/quote]

This is me at 235 when I was playing ball still and I was natural.[/quote]
solid

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
So how about someone starts posting some pics of legit well developed naturals so we can get this back on track and give some of us Natty losers some inspirational physiques? [/quote]

100% all naturale[/quote]

When you got up to 225 naturally, what was your bodyfat? Abs visible?
[/quote]

This is me at 235 when I was playing ball still and I was natural.[/quote]

Hell of a physique man! What did you play?

[quote]jeanmich wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
So how about someone starts posting some pics of legit well developed naturals so we can get this back on track and give some of us Natty losers some inspirational physiques? [/quote]

100% all naturale[/quote]

When you got up to 225 naturally, what was your bodyfat? Abs visible?
[/quote]

This is me at 235 when I was playing ball still and I was natural.[/quote]

Hell of a physique man! What did you play?[/quote]

I played middle linebacker. Had good size, but not the speed to be anything special.

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
For a newb I would reccomend a strength split and learning how to track food. Get that engrained early. Teach them good choices for food first then slowly transition to iifym if they can handle it. Then basically give them a bunch of templates and tell them to experiment and they like and progress with. [/quote]

what would be an example of this strength split?[/quote]

Starting strength, 5,3,1 ect so many have been posted. Or make your own but focusing on a couple lifts for strength and a couple accessories.

I would end up,doing very close to what the two free trainers here did. Lots of questions to find preferences and go from there [/quote]

just for the example sake.

stats
6’0
160lb
18years old
no previous weight training experience.

how would you go about setting up his first say 1-2 years of lifting?[/quote]

Goals?[/quote]

to get as big and lean as possible. i was only asking these questions because of how brick bought up alot of people being very vague when giving advice to newbs. i just thought it could generate some good information.[/quote]

Got ya I think it has to be personalized though. So each persona would get a different answer.

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]jeanmich wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
So how about someone starts posting some pics of legit well developed naturals so we can get this back on track and give some of us Natty losers some inspirational physiques? [/quote]

100% all naturale[/quote]

When you got up to 225 naturally, what was your bodyfat? Abs visible?
[/quote]

This is me at 235 when I was playing ball still and I was natural.[/quote]

Hell of a physique man! What did you play?[/quote]

I played middle linebacker. Had good size, but not the speed to be anything special.
[/quote]

Jeez pec genetics. Look thick as fuck

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]jeanmich wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:
So how about someone starts posting some pics of legit well developed naturals so we can get this back on track and give some of us Natty losers some inspirational physiques? [/quote]

100% all naturale[/quote]

When you got up to 225 naturally, what was your bodyfat? Abs visible?
[/quote]

This is me at 235 when I was playing ball still and I was natural.[/quote]

Hell of a physique man! What did you play?[/quote]

I played middle linebacker. Had good size, but not the speed to be anything special.
[/quote]

Jeez pec genetics. Look thick as fuck[/quote]

Never have had too much trouble getting thick pretty much in any muscle group for the most part. Pecs seem to be a lot like calves though as far as how thick and wide they look from what I have noticed.

remember that scene in Jurassic Park where you can just hear dummmm
 dummmm
 and you can see the ripples in the glass of water?

That’s what I reckon it’s like whenever Bauber goes anywhere

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
remember that scene in Jurassic Park where you can just hear dummmm
 dummmm
 and you can see the ripples in the glass of water?

That’s what I reckon it’s like whenever Bauber goes anywhere[/quote]
lol

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

I will have to go look for it I use a diff email mostly now

My point was I don’t believe I am 8%. 10 if I am lucky. Showing calipers are in accurate even when you are lower bf but worse as you get fatter.

Though I am happy been at 220 for a month and waist has slowly been coming down. It’s a bit smaller than last summer when I was 205
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Calipers have about a 3% differential for error.

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Serious question, doesnt the variance increase/decrease with the person administring the test? [/quote]

This is from the book called methods of BF testing


Skinfold Testing
The most common body fat test uses the skinfold caliper, a device that pinches your skin, pulling your fat away from your muscles and bones. You feel moderate discomfort, like when someone pinches your cheek. Typically the tester pinches three or four different sites on your body, such as your abdomen, arm, and back. The thickness of each pinch is plugged into a formula to determine your subcutaneous body fat level.

Many things can go wrong with a caliper test. The tester may not pinch exactly the right spot, or he may not pull all the fat away from the muscle. Or he may pinch too hard and accidentally yank some of your muscle. The calipers must exert a standard pressure and measure thickness to very small levels. Tests can vary greatly from tester to tester. Also, research shows that certain formulas are more accurate for certain ethnic groups, age ranges, and fitness levels.

Experts give this test a margin of error of four points, meaning your actual body fat percentage could be four points higher or lower than it actually is. Also tests show this test is accurate for about 90% of the population, when using the appropriate formulas. In laymen’s terms, if you are one of the lucky 9 out of 10, and your body fat measures 12% - it could really be anywhere from 8% to 16%. If you are the one in 10 (for example you are very lean or your body fat exceeds 30%) then all bets are off We have seem errors run as high as 10%.

Because of the consistency in results, the high percentage of people that this test is successful for, and the low margin of error, this is generally accepted as the best field test, outside of clinical testing such as hydrostatic, DEXA, and MRI.

For Optimal Results in Skinfold Measuring, the following protocol must be followed:
All technicians must participate at a workshop where they spend considerable time learning the exact sites and technique and then after practice all participants actually do an interclass correlation on a minimum of 15 subjects to determine their test-retest reliability at each of the seven sites. Jackson-Pollack sum of 4 equations. They are also taught that the caliper must be Lange or Harpenden. Jackson found .98 inter-tester correlations, indicating that if I’m good (reliable) and you’re good, then my measurement of an individual will be identical to yours. The workshops back this up by UWW. Depending on technique, obese individuals (>35%) can have skinfold tests done on them successfully. This assumes a two handed technique.
The problem lies in that very, very few technicians go to this extent to perfect their technique.[/quote]

It’s strange, Utah. I feel as if people have regurgitated the majority of that information many times now, but I can’t be sure. The only way of knowing is to see who’s been to medical school and who hasn’t.

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
remember that scene in Jurassic Park where you can just hear dummmm
 dummmm
 and you can see the ripples in the glass of water?

That’s what I reckon it’s like whenever Bauber goes anywhere[/quote]

I leave large shitpiles too. Watch out for those!

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Well, a noob hasn’t been doing anything so far. Hence he’ a noob. Care to part with advice for someone who’s done nothing so far, and therefore hasn’t made any progress. [/quote]

Dear Lord. What is with you and hypotheticals? My cousin is staying with me for a while and I am training him now. He wasn’t training before
but I don’t know many people who really have an affinity for real size who have NEVER worked out a day in their lives.

Your problem is using some made up person so you can sit there and critique a sheet of paper.

That’s lame and isn’t reality.

I started him in the gym this past week judging his weight to be used by how much he was straining in the gym. I told him to start trying to make sure he eats at least 3 good meals a day. The exact specifics of each meal are less important than the action itself considering he rarely eats even that often and needs to make that alone a priority.

Changes will be made gradually beyond that.

You see, your problem is expecting me to jump through hoops so you can have more to complain about.

None of that is any indication of real world knowledge.

Yeah, that would be false. You keep pushing this bs “you will not part with the information” as if what I am writing isn’t being understood.[/quote]

I know right. Like the guy who has an affinity for size was born with a barbell in his hands. He just was never a noob. Not to mention all the other kinds of people who are complete noobs to the gym.

Noob: someone NEW to the gym, not a “big guy” who lifted years ago.

Oh, it’s false that nutrition coaches or dietitians use intuition in the beginning, as if they’re wizards who know EXACTLY how their INITIAL diet plan will work out.

Waiting for more talk of “made up people”, as if we shouldn’t use general terms like “noob”.

So what exercises do you have your cousin doing and why?

Sets, reps, schedule?

And most importantly, WHY?

It also dawned on me X. What about the guys who don’t have “affinity for size” and never stepped into the gym. Or if you were to train someone, would you reserve your expertise only for muscle gods?

If you’re a brand new weight trainer that has never lifted before and wants to be big and lean it is best, IMO, to get on a basic split.
One that focuses on strength increases in the big 4 lifts while making sure to hit enough accessory work to keep you balanced.
Something like 5/3/1 is a decent start to get the basics down.
You have to crawl before you walk sort of thing.
It would also be in the trainees best interest to have a coach or lifting partner who can show him or her how to properly preform exercises, not just throw weight around.
Do this basic split for 6-8 months and then think about tweaking the ha from there based on goals.
A solid strength foundation in the basics is a great start before you get I to all the blast cluster hypertrophy intermuscular sarcoplazma inducing mechanical assisted drop set 21’s for da sick gainzzzz.
K.I.S.S. in the beginning and asses progress as you go along to make tweaks.

If I had the energy or cared enough to do it, I would make a meme for this. Take any MM, recent or within last 10 years, doesn’t matter they all look essentially the same and put:

“I am only here to get noobs swolze”

“no, I will not tell u how”

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
If you’re a brand new weight trainer that has never lifted before and wants to be big and lean it is best, IMO, to get on a basic split.
One that focuses on strength increases in the big 4 lifts while making sure to hit enough accessory work to keep you balanced.
Something like 5/3/1 is a decent start to get the basics down.
You have to crawl before you walk sort of thing.
It would also be in the trainees best interest to have a coach or lifting partner who can show him or her how to properly preform exercises, not just throw weight around.
Do this basic split for 6-8 months and then think about tweaking the ha from there based on goals.
A solid strength foundation in the basics is a great start before you get I to all the blast cluster hypertrophy intermuscular sarcoplazma inducing mechanical assisted drop set 21’s for da sick gainzzzz.
K.I.S.S. in the beginning and asses progress as you go along to make tweaks.[/quote]

Uh, this would be false. You can’t just throw out a plan like that. A full DNA profile would have to be generated first and genealogical research would have to be performed back to no less than five generations.

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
If you’re a brand new weight trainer that has never lifted before and wants to be big and lean it is best, IMO, to get on a basic split.
One that focuses on strength increases in the big 4 lifts while making sure to hit enough accessory work to keep you balanced.
Something like 5/3/1 is a decent start to get the basics down.
You have to crawl before you walk sort of thing.
It would also be in the trainees best interest to have a coach or lifting partner who can show him or her how to properly preform exercises, not just throw weight around.
Do this basic split for 6-8 months and then think about tweaking the ha from there based on goals.
A solid strength foundation in the basics is a great start before you get I to all the blast cluster hypertrophy intermuscular sarcoplazma inducing mechanical assisted drop set 21’s for da sick gainzzzz.
K.I.S.S. in the beginning and asses progress as you go along to make tweaks.[/quote]

Uh, this would be false. You can’t just throw out a plan like that. A full DNA profile would have to be generated first and genealogical research would have to be performed back to no less than five generations.[/quote]

Please, tell the forum what you were attempting to accomplish with this post. Seriously. Please justify this with something other than yet another snarky, belligerent, self-serving, petulant post.

If you can’t (which, sneak preview, you can’t), then you’re contributing to the bullshit that goes on in these forums as much as your nemesis.