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I took a 400 level Gross anatomy undergrad class that used cadavers but I fail to see where someone is more knowledgeable about all things related to the human body because they have been through a graduate level medical class. There are two doctors that I see at my gym that quite honestly, don’t have a clue what they are doing. And are we really forgetting the wealth of doctors that recommend against squatting and heavy lifting in general.

The knowledge gained from a med degree is beneficial if one chooses to apply it towards deepening their understanding of kinesiology, but it is not the be all, end all of the “who knows the most” argument. By that same token, their is a reason why doctors send clients to PT’s and Dieticians. The people who actually have specialized in that field have more of an understanding of that aspect of the human body than the doctor does.

That’s not to say they couldn’t gain that understanding, but their training in it was not as in depth as the people who chose to pursue other avenues related to the human body.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
We had to know where every major vein was and every part of internal anatomy on several different cadavers.[/quote]

This is becoming pretty standard in most exercise science programs. Maybe not the dissection, but inspection of the cadavers once the med students are done with them.

Also, I think it’s a pretty bold statement that a doctor will have more knowledge about a particular physiology than a PhD in that field. But I don’t think you are saying that. Anyways, I’d put and MD-PhD or an MD with a Lab infront of everybody.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
^Ah, I understand. Yeah, it has always seemed that he thinks his approach should work for anyone. If not “they must not be cut out for this”.[/quote]

He didn’t even state ANY approach for noobs.

What to do with a noob for nutrition? X said he’d ask him what his views on food are. That’s it.

Training? X said, “I’d tell him to get in the gym.” That’s it. [/quote]
Coupled that with some weak qualifier like
how can I tell him exactly what to eat when I don’t even know how his body responds to food?
This doesn’t even take into account what he is already doing?
What about his current progress, that needs to be factored in.
The human body is way more complex than this, that is why giving specific numbers is useless.

[/quote]
Called it.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
^Ah, I understand. Yeah, it has always seemed that he thinks his approach should work for anyone. If not “they must not be cut out for this”.[/quote]

He didn’t even state ANY approach for noobs.

What to do with a noob for nutrition? X said he’d ask him what his views on food are. That’s it.

Training? X said, “I’d tell him to get in the gym.” That’s it. [/quote]

This is untrue. I would say you are flat out lying but let’s keep it professional.

I told you that in order to really understand what works for an individual you need to see what they have been doing already before making any changes.

I also disagreed with you on throwing out some basic template for everyone based on an equation rather than looking at the individual.

For your info…that is what any good doctor would do as well. You don’t diagnose words on a paper. The human condition is an X-Factor.

Now, if you claim I didn’t answer you again I will repost this to remind you.[/quote]

lol, so predictable.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
There was some good discussion happening in here but not anymore.
I wonder what changed???[/quote]

THIS, is perhaps the sole reason why PX receives the attitude he does.

PX- I’m not going to butt heads back and forth with you. There are people on this site who are friendly, humble, and knowledgeable as can be verified via objective means (PL meets, BBing contests, Degrees and Certifications in Nutrition, Kinesiology and fields specific to what gets discussed, not 'Well, Biology is Biology") and they actually create a wonderful collective source of information, support, and a friendly atmosphere.

Even your basic attitude when someone asks you a question, and you retort with some irritated crap about how you’re posted so much over the years that you’re not going to jump through hoops now, brings the place down.

Seriously bro, get over yourself, you’re a big guy, but you’re kind of a pompous ass. One thing I learned when I worked in TV, was that no one cares how good you are if no one wants to work with you on their team.

You continually post the same hunched over MM poses, occasionally with bad lighting, or photoshopped edges (yes, we all notice) but then get annoyed if anyone requests shots from all angles (quarter turns), whining about how you’re not a bodybuilder.

Every post I make that sets you off, reflects my opinions. Sure many people seem to jump on them in agreement, but just as you tell people to ignore you, you can easily ignore me. Of course I’m not going to apologize for the fact that my accomplishments are indeed verifiable, and as I always do my best to act humble and be helpful, people seem to listen and respect me even if they don’t agree (which I’m perfectly fine with).

Keep yapping though. For a thread on Natural achievement, I thought that being a competitor as well as a WNBF/INBF contest judge might allow me to provide some good insight. I’ll just leave it to you though. You’ve read muscle magazines for a long time, and also train at the same gym as a few NPC competitors. It holds the same water. I’m out, enjoy the thread, it’s all about you now anyway (again).

I wonder how many more quality posters will leave by the year’s end.

S[/quote]

Best Post
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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Oh so a dentist will cover more phys than a physiology phd? Or. Biochem phd or a pharm student. Ok big guy
[/quote]

I mentioned human dissection for a reason. That isn’t knocking someone’s education…but actual physical knowledge of the insides of a human being and the treatment of that being and a PhD are not the same education at all and are not even comparable.[/quote]
To be fair, I worked with cadavers my freshman year as an exercise science major before I switched to mechanical engineering, so you’ll do need to clarify more on your experience with dissection.[/quote]

Yes, “working with cadavers” and Gross anatomy on a doctor’ level are the same?

We had to know where every major vein was and every part of internal anatomy on several different cadavers.

You did this?[/quote]
I only stated that further clarification was necessary. Chill.

The checklist for the first exam included
Integument
-Epidermis
-Dermis
-Dermal papilla
-Reticular layer
-Stratum basale
-Stratum spinosum
-Stratum granulosum
-Stratum corneum
-Hypodermis
-Arrector pili muscle
-Meissnerâ??s corpuscle
Bone Histology
-Osteon (Haversian system)
-Endosteum
-Periosteum
-Lacuna
-Volkmann’s canal
-Lamellae
-Sharpeyâ??s fibers
-Circumferential lamellae
-Interstitial lamellae
-Haversian canal
-Canaliculi
â??Typical vertebraâ??
Features
Spinous process
-Transverse process
-Lamina (connects transverse process to spinous process)
-Pedicle
-Articular processes (sup. and inf.)
-Centrum (body)
-Vertebral foramen
Cervical (7)
-Atlas (C1)
-Axis (C2)
-Transverse foramen (foramen transversarium)
-Odontoid process (C2) (dens
Thoracic (12)
Features
-Inferior notch
-Costal demifacet (superior or inferior demifacet)
-Facet for tubercle of rib (on transverse process)
-Intervertebral foramen
Lumbar (5)
Sacrum (5 fused)
Features
-Ala (on right and left of S1 centrum)
-Sacral promontory
-Anterior sacral foramina
-Posterior (dorsal) sacral foramina
-Median sacral crest
-Sacral canal
Coccyx (3 to 5 fused)
Ribs
Features (of all ribs)
-Head
-Tubercle
-Costal groove
-True ribs
-False ribs
-Floating
Sternum
-Manubrium
Features
-Jugular notch
-Clavicular notch
-Corpus (body)
-Xiphoid process
Skull
Frontal
Parietal (R&L)
Temporal (R&L)
Features
-External auditory meatus
-Styloid process
-Mastoid process
-Mandibular fossa
-Zygomatic process
-Carotid canal -Jugular foramen
-Stylomastoid foramen
Occipital Features
-Foramen magnum -Occipital condyles
-Hypoglossal canal
-Nuchal lines
Zygomatic (R&L)
Maxilla (R&L)
Nasal (R&L)
Sphenoid
Features
-Foramen ovale
-Optic foramen (optic canal)
-Foramen rotundum
-Foramen lacerum
-Sella turcica
-Greater wing
-Pterygoid plate
Ethmoid
Features
-Crista galli -Cribriform plate -Olfactory foramina
Lacrimal
Vomer
Palatine (R&L)
Mandible
Features
-Mandibular condyle
-Mental foramen
-Coronoid process
Hyoid
Superficial muscles of the back
-Trapezius
-Latissimus dorsi
-Levator scapulae
-Rhomboid major and minor
-Quadratus lumborum
Superficial intrinsic muscles of the back
-Splenius
-Erector spinae
-Iliocostalis
-Longissimus
-Spinalis
Deep intrinsic muscles of the back
-Semispinalis
Other important structures
-Ligamentum nuchae
Spinal Cord
-Posterior (dorsal) median sulcus (model only)
-Anterior (ventral) median fissure (model only)
-Central canal (model only)
-Posterior horn (model only)
-Lateral horn (model only)
-Anterior horn (model only)
-Conus medullaris
-Dorsal root
-Dorsal root ganglion
-Ventral root
-Spinal nerve
-Ventral ramus
-Dorsal ramus
Meninges and other structures
-Dura mater (locate on spinal cord section)
-Filum terminale
-Arachnoid (locate on brain and spinal cord)
-Pia mater
-Cauda equina
Upper Extremity
-brachium (upper arm)
-antebrachium (lower arm)
Pectoral Girdle = clavicle and scapula
Clavicle
Scapula Features -Acromion process -Coracoid process -Glenoid cavity
-Spine of scapula -Supraspinous fossa -Infraspinous fossa -Subscapular fossa (costal surface) -Superior angle -Inferior angle -Medial border -Lateral border -Superior border -Suprascapular notch (scapular notch)
Humerus
Features
-Head
-Greater tubercle
-Lesser tubercle
-Intertubercular groove(sulcus)
-Deltoid tuberosity
-Lateral epicondyle
-Medial epicondyle
-Lateral supracondylar ridge
-Medial supracondylar ridge -Capitulum
-Trochlea
-Olecranon fossa
-Radial groove (groove for radial nerve)
Radius Features -Head
-Radial tuberosity
-Styloid process
-Ulnar notch
Ulna Features -Olecranon process
-Coronoid process -Trochlear notch
-Radial notch
-Styloid process -Ulnar tuberosity
Carpals (8 bones)
Metacarpals (5 bones)
Phalanges (14 bones)
Joints
Shoulder
-Coracoacromial ligament
-Acromioclavicular ligament
-Coracoclavicular ligament
-Articular capsule
Elbow
-Radial collateral ligament
-Ulnar collateral ligament
-Annular ligament
-Oblique cord
Muscles
-Diaphragm
-Pectoralis major
-Pectoralis minor
-Coracobrachialis
-Teres major
-Teres minor
-Deltoid
-Supraspinatus
-Infraspinatus
-Subscapularis
-Biceps brachii
-Triceps brachii
-Brachialis
-Brachioradialis
-Pronator teres
-Pronator quadratus
-Supinator
-Flexor carpi radialis
-Flexor carpi ulnaris
-Extensor carpi radialis longus
-Extensor carpi ulnaris
-Flexor digitorum superficialis
-Extensor digitorum
I won’t post the other stuff because that’s just too much

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Oh so a dentist will cover more phys than a physiology phd? Or. Biochem phd or a pharm student. Ok big guy
[/quote]

I mentioned human dissection for a reason. That isn’t knocking someone’s education…but actual physical knowledge of the insides of a human being and the treatment of that being and a PhD are not the same education at all and are not even comparable.[/quote]
To be fair, I worked with cadavers my freshman year as an exercise science major before I switched to mechanical engineering, so you’ll do need to clarify more on your experience with dissection.[/quote]

Yes, “working with cadavers” and Gross anatomy on a doctor’ level are the same?

We had to know where every major vein was and every part of internal anatomy on several different cadavers.

You did this?[/quote]
I only stated that further clarification was necessary. Chill.

The checklist for the first exam included
Integument
-Epidermis
-Dermis
-Dermal papilla
-Reticular layer
-Stratum basale
-Stratum spinosum
-Stratum granulosum
-Stratum corneum
-Hypodermis
-Arrector pili muscle
-Meissnerâ??s corpuscle
Bone Histology
-Osteon (Haversian system)
-Endosteum
-Periosteum
-Lacuna
-Volkmann’s canal
-Lamellae
-Sharpeyâ??s fibers
-Circumferential lamellae
-Interstitial lamellae
-Haversian canal
-Canaliculi
â??Typical vertebraâ??
Features
Spinous process
-Transverse process
-Lamina (connects transverse process to spinous process)
-Pedicle
-Articular processes (sup. and inf.)
-Centrum (body)
-Vertebral foramen
Cervical (7)
-Atlas (C1)
-Axis (C2)
-Transverse foramen (foramen transversarium)
-Odontoid process (C2) (dens
Thoracic (12)
Features
-Inferior notch
-Costal demifacet (superior or inferior demifacet)
-Facet for tubercle of rib (on transverse process)
-Intervertebral foramen
Lumbar (5)
Sacrum (5 fused)
Features
-Ala (on right and left of S1 centrum)
-Sacral promontory
-Anterior sacral foramina
-Posterior (dorsal) sacral foramina
-Median sacral crest
-Sacral canal
Coccyx (3 to 5 fused)
Ribs
Features (of all ribs)
-Head
-Tubercle
-Costal groove
-True ribs
-False ribs
-Floating
Sternum
-Manubrium
Features
-Jugular notch
-Clavicular notch
-Corpus (body)
-Xiphoid process
Skull
Frontal
Parietal (R&L)
Temporal (R&L)
Features
-External auditory meatus
-Styloid process
-Mastoid process
-Mandibular fossa
-Zygomatic process
-Carotid canal -Jugular foramen
-Stylomastoid foramen
Occipital Features
-Foramen magnum -Occipital condyles
-Hypoglossal canal
-Nuchal lines
Zygomatic (R&L)
Maxilla (R&L)
Nasal (R&L)
Sphenoid
Features
-Foramen ovale
-Optic foramen (optic canal)
-Foramen rotundum
-Foramen lacerum
-Sella turcica
-Greater wing
-Pterygoid plate
Ethmoid
Features
-Crista galli -Cribriform plate -Olfactory foramina
Lacrimal
Vomer
Palatine (R&L)
Mandible
Features
-Mandibular condyle
-Mental foramen
-Coronoid process
Hyoid
Superficial muscles of the back
-Trapezius
-Latissimus dorsi
-Levator scapulae
-Rhomboid major and minor
-Quadratus lumborum
Superficial intrinsic muscles of the back
-Splenius
-Erector spinae
-Iliocostalis
-Longissimus
-Spinalis
Deep intrinsic muscles of the back
-Semispinalis
Other important structures
-Ligamentum nuchae
Spinal Cord
-Posterior (dorsal) median sulcus (model only)
-Anterior (ventral) median fissure (model only)
-Central canal (model only)
-Posterior horn (model only)
-Lateral horn (model only)
-Anterior horn (model only)
-Conus medullaris
-Dorsal root
-Dorsal root ganglion
-Ventral root
-Spinal nerve
-Ventral ramus
-Dorsal ramus
Meninges and other structures
-Dura mater (locate on spinal cord section)
-Filum terminale
-Arachnoid (locate on brain and spinal cord)
-Pia mater
-Cauda equina
Upper Extremity
-brachium (upper arm)
-antebrachium (lower arm)
Pectoral Girdle = clavicle and scapula
Clavicle
Scapula Features -Acromion process -Coracoid process -Glenoid cavity
-Spine of scapula -Supraspinous fossa -Infraspinous fossa -Subscapular fossa (costal surface) -Superior angle -Inferior angle -Medial border -Lateral border -Superior border -Suprascapular notch (scapular notch)
Humerus
Features
-Head
-Greater tubercle
-Lesser tubercle
-Intertubercular groove(sulcus)
-Deltoid tuberosity
-Lateral epicondyle
-Medial epicondyle
-Lateral supracondylar ridge
-Medial supracondylar ridge -Capitulum
-Trochlea
-Olecranon fossa
-Radial groove (groove for radial nerve)
Radius Features -Head
-Radial tuberosity
-Styloid process
-Ulnar notch
Ulna Features -Olecranon process
-Coronoid process -Trochlear notch
-Radial notch
-Styloid process -Ulnar tuberosity
Carpals (8 bones)
Metacarpals (5 bones)
Phalanges (14 bones)
Joints
Shoulder
-Coracoacromial ligament
-Acromioclavicular ligament
-Coracoclavicular ligament
-Articular capsule
Elbow
-Radial collateral ligament
-Ulnar collateral ligament
-Annular ligament
-Oblique cord
Muscles
-Diaphragm
-Pectoralis major
-Pectoralis minor
-Coracobrachialis
-Teres major
-Teres minor
-Deltoid
-Supraspinatus
-Infraspinatus
-Subscapularis
-Biceps brachii
-Triceps brachii
-Brachialis
-Brachioradialis
-Pronator teres
-Pronator quadratus
-Supinator
-Flexor carpi radialis
-Flexor carpi ulnaris
-Extensor carpi radialis longus
-Extensor carpi ulnaris
-Flexor digitorum superficialis
-Extensor digitorum
I won’t post the other stuff because that’s just too much[/quote]
You don’t even have a degree yet.
What do you know?

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
There was some good discussion happening in here but not anymore.
I wonder what changed???[/quote]

THIS, is perhaps the sole reason why PX receives the attitude he does.

PX- I’m not going to butt heads back and forth with you. There are people on this site who are friendly, humble, and knowledgeable as can be verified via objective means (PL meets, BBing contests, Degrees and Certifications in Nutrition, Kinesiology and fields specific to what gets discussed, not 'Well, Biology is Biology") and they actually create a wonderful collective source of information, support, and a friendly atmosphere.

Even your basic attitude when someone asks you a question, and you retort with some irritated crap about how you’re posted so much over the years that you’re not going to jump through hoops now, brings the place down.

Seriously bro, get over yourself, you’re a big guy, but you’re kind of a pompous ass. One thing I learned when I worked in TV, was that no one cares how good you are if no one wants to work with you on their team.

You continually post the same hunched over MM poses, occasionally with bad lighting, or photoshopped edges (yes, we all notice) but then get annoyed if anyone requests shots from all angles (quarter turns), whining about how you’re not a bodybuilder.

Every post I make that sets you off, reflects my opinions. Sure many people seem to jump on them in agreement, but just as you tell people to ignore you, you can easily ignore me. Of course I’m not going to apologize for the fact that my accomplishments are indeed verifiable, and as I always do my best to act humble and be helpful, people seem to listen and respect me even if they don’t agree (which I’m perfectly fine with).

Keep yapping though. For a thread on Natural achievement, I thought that being a competitor as well as a WNBF/INBF contest judge might allow me to provide some good insight. I’ll just leave it to you though. You’ve read muscle magazines for a long time, and also train at the same gym as a few NPC competitors. It holds the same water. I’m out, enjoy the thread, it’s all about you now anyway (again).

I wonder how many more quality posters will leave by the year’s end.

S[/quote]

Best Post
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[/quote]

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

-True ribs
-False ribs
-Floating
[/quote]

Am I the only one that salivated a little reading this?

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

Oh so a dentist will cover more phys than a physiology phd? Or. Biochem phd or a pharm student. Ok big guy
[/quote]

I mentioned human dissection for a reason. That isn’t knocking someone’s education…but actual physical knowledge of the insides of a human being and the treatment of that being and a PhD are not the same education at all and are not even comparable.[/quote]
To be fair, I worked with cadavers my freshman year as an exercise science major before I switched to mechanical engineering, so you’ll do need to clarify more on your experience with dissection.[/quote]

Yes, “working with cadavers” and Gross anatomy on a doctor’ level are the same?

We had to know where every major vein was and every part of internal anatomy on several different cadavers.

You did this?[/quote]
I only stated that further clarification was necessary. Chill.

The checklist for the first exam included
Integument
-Epidermis
-Dermis
-Dermal papilla
-Reticular layer
-Stratum basale
-Stratum spinosum
-Stratum granulosum
-Stratum corneum
-Hypodermis
-Arrector pili muscle
-Meissner�¢??s corpuscle
Bone Histology
-Osteon (Haversian system)
-Endosteum
-Periosteum
-Lacuna
-Volkmann’s canal
-Lamellae
-Sharpey�¢??s fibers
-Circumferential lamellae
-Interstitial lamellae
-Haversian canal
-Canaliculi
�¢??Typical vertebra�¢??
Features
Spinous process
-Transverse process
-Lamina (connects transverse process to spinous process)
-Pedicle
-Articular processes (sup. and inf.)
-Centrum (body)
-Vertebral foramen
Cervical (7)
-Atlas (C1)
-Axis (C2)
-Transverse foramen (foramen transversarium)
-Odontoid process (C2) (dens
Thoracic (12)
Features
-Inferior notch
-Costal demifacet (superior or inferior demifacet)
-Facet for tubercle of rib (on transverse process)
-Intervertebral foramen
Lumbar (5)
Sacrum (5 fused)
Features
-Ala (on right and left of S1 centrum)
-Sacral promontory
-Anterior sacral foramina
-Posterior (dorsal) sacral foramina
-Median sacral crest
-Sacral canal
Coccyx (3 to 5 fused)
Ribs
Features (of all ribs)
-Head
-Tubercle
-Costal groove
-True ribs
-False ribs
-Floating
Sternum
-Manubrium
Features
-Jugular notch
-Clavicular notch
-Corpus (body)
-Xiphoid process
Skull
Frontal
Parietal (R&L)
Temporal (R&L)
Features
-External auditory meatus
-Styloid process
-Mastoid process
-Mandibular fossa
-Zygomatic process
-Carotid canal -Jugular foramen
-Stylomastoid foramen
Occipital Features
-Foramen magnum -Occipital condyles
-Hypoglossal canal
-Nuchal lines
Zygomatic (R&L)
Maxilla (R&L)
Nasal (R&L)
Sphenoid
Features
-Foramen ovale
-Optic foramen (optic canal)
-Foramen rotundum
-Foramen lacerum
-Sella turcica
-Greater wing
-Pterygoid plate
Ethmoid
Features
-Crista galli -Cribriform plate -Olfactory foramina
Lacrimal
Vomer
Palatine (R&L)
Mandible
Features
-Mandibular condyle
-Mental foramen
-Coronoid process
Hyoid
Superficial muscles of the back
-Trapezius
-Latissimus dorsi
-Levator scapulae
-Rhomboid major and minor
-Quadratus lumborum
Superficial intrinsic muscles of the back
-Splenius
-Erector spinae
-Iliocostalis
-Longissimus
-Spinalis
Deep intrinsic muscles of the back
-Semispinalis
Other important structures
-Ligamentum nuchae
Spinal Cord
-Posterior (dorsal) median sulcus (model only)
-Anterior (ventral) median fissure (model only)
-Central canal (model only)
-Posterior horn (model only)
-Lateral horn (model only)
-Anterior horn (model only)
-Conus medullaris
-Dorsal root
-Dorsal root ganglion
-Ventral root
-Spinal nerve
-Ventral ramus
-Dorsal ramus
Meninges and other structures
-Dura mater (locate on spinal cord section)
-Filum terminale
-Arachnoid (locate on brain and spinal cord)
-Pia mater
-Cauda equina
Upper Extremity
-brachium (upper arm)
-antebrachium (lower arm)
Pectoral Girdle = clavicle and scapula
Clavicle
Scapula Features -Acromion process -Coracoid process -Glenoid cavity
-Spine of scapula -Supraspinous fossa -Infraspinous fossa -Subscapular fossa (costal surface) -Superior angle -Inferior angle -Medial border -Lateral border -Superior border -Suprascapular notch (scapular notch)
Humerus
Features
-Head
-Greater tubercle
-Lesser tubercle
-Intertubercular groove(sulcus)
-Deltoid tuberosity
-Lateral epicondyle
-Medial epicondyle
-Lateral supracondylar ridge
-Medial supracondylar ridge -Capitulum
-Trochlea
-Olecranon fossa
-Radial groove (groove for radial nerve)
Radius Features -Head
-Radial tuberosity
-Styloid process
-Ulnar notch
Ulna Features -Olecranon process
-Coronoid process -Trochlear notch
-Radial notch
-Styloid process -Ulnar tuberosity
Carpals (8 bones)
Metacarpals (5 bones)
Phalanges (14 bones)
Joints
Shoulder
-Coracoacromial ligament
-Acromioclavicular ligament
-Coracoclavicular ligament
-Articular capsule
Elbow
-Radial collateral ligament
-Ulnar collateral ligament
-Annular ligament
-Oblique cord
Muscles
-Diaphragm
-Pectoralis major
-Pectoralis minor
-Coracobrachialis
-Teres major
-Teres minor
-Deltoid
-Supraspinatus
-Infraspinatus
-Subscapularis
-Biceps brachii
-Triceps brachii
-Brachialis
-Brachioradialis
-Pronator teres
-Pronator quadratus
-Supinator
-Flexor carpi radialis
-Flexor carpi ulnaris
-Extensor carpi radialis longus
-Extensor carpi ulnaris
-Flexor digitorum superficialis
-Extensor digitorum
I won’t post the other stuff because that’s just too much[/quote]
You don’t even have a degree yet.
What do you know?[/quote]

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I happened upon TNation years ago, before this current version of the forums and website format. Yes, it went by a different name and you could by their products from other retailers and they updated only once a week. What attracted me to stay was the fact that it seemed to be founded on the notion that this would be a place where you come consume a ton of bodybuilding and nutrition information, have access to some great coaches, nutritionists etc, and share your stories with your fellow brothers in iron without the usual petty garbage reactions seen elsewhere on the net. They promoted the positive about bodybuilding/lifting/fitness/being a good man etc in everyway.

They even stated that they would not use pictures of enhanced athletes in their articles or promotions, we see that went out the window.

It boggles the mind that a site/company somewhat founded on these positive principles would allow and even support the sort of blatant negativity our fearless moderator spills all over the website.

I suppose it all comes down to hits & money

or hookers and blow?

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

-True ribs
-False ribs
-Floating
[/quote]

Am I the only one that salivated a little reading this?[/quote]
lol the floating ribs are creepy looking

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[quote]Myosin wrote:
I happened upon TNation years ago, before this current version of the forums and website format. Yes, it went by a different name and you could by their products from other retailers and they updated only once a week. What attracted me to stay was the fact that it seemed to be founded on the notion that this would be a place where you come consume a ton of bodybuilding and nutrition information, have access to some great coaches, nutritionists etc, and share your stories with your fellow brothers in iron without the usual petty garbage reactions seen elsewhere on the net. They promoted the positive about bodybuilding/lifting/fitness/being a good man etc in everyway.

They even stated that they would not use pictures of enhanced athletes in their articles or promotions, we see that went out the window.

It boggles the mind that a site/company somewhat founded on these positive principles would allow and even support the sort of blatant negativity our fearless moderator spills all over the website.

I suppose it all comes down to hits & money

or hookers and blow?
[/quote]

We have asked that question many times over the years…nobody seems to be able to come up with an answer that makes sense.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Myosin wrote:
I happened upon TNation years ago, before this current version of the forums and website format. Yes, it went by a different name and you could by their products from other retailers and they updated only once a week. What attracted me to stay was the fact that it seemed to be founded on the notion that this would be a place where you come consume a ton of bodybuilding and nutrition information, have access to some great coaches, nutritionists etc, and share your stories with your fellow brothers in iron without the usual petty garbage reactions seen elsewhere on the net. They promoted the positive about bodybuilding/lifting/fitness/being a good man etc in everyway.

They even stated that they would not use pictures of enhanced athletes in their articles or promotions, we see that went out the window.

It boggles the mind that a site/company somewhat founded on these positive principles would allow and even support the sort of blatant negativity our fearless moderator spills all over the website.

I suppose it all comes down to hits & money

or hookers and blow?
[/quote]

We have asked that question many times over the years…nobody seems to be able to come up with an answer that makes sense.[/quote]
Who are the mods are they faceless or do they sometimes post?

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[quote]Myosin wrote:

It boggles the mind that a site/company somewhat founded on these positive principles would allow and even support the sort of blatant negativity our fearless moderator spills all over the website.

[/quote]

What negativity is being spilled here?

I was told my education doesn’t match an undergrad level nutrition class…which is false.

You really can’t even argue against that.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]bwilliamsr89 wrote:
I generally find X annoying and argumentative, but why the fuck is everyone so willing to argue semantics in this case. Let’s just get back to the stuff that is entertaining at least. [/quote]

This is all they do. As if it was ever different?

They spend hours literally lying and making shit up just to argue even if they really agree with what was written…and then some of you keep cheering it on…[/quote]

Because you’ve done it for 11 years and people are finally tired of your BS. That’s why it gets cheered on. It’s like seeing the school bully finally get his ass kicked, or the loudmouth, shit-talking drunk getting punched in the face.

It did used to be different in that people used to simply tolerate your attitude. It didn’t have to be this way. You made your bed now you have to lie in it.

[/quote]

Ahh, so in your twisted head, you are going to act in a way you claim you hate?

You do realize what a hypocrite is, right?[/quote]

Absolutely. But the kicker is I only do it to you. An eye for an eye. You, on the other hand, are a complete dick to everyone that disagrees with anything you have to say.

Stop being a prick and you will stop seeing prickish posts from me to you. I’m not going to hold my breath.[/quote]

LOl at this. Apparently telling you the truth is “being a prick” to you.

You can rant about how lean you are, but if I ever mention I have more muscle than you, then that is me acting “superior”.

Got it.

You guys are a waste and detriment to this forum if this is all you are about.

For real.[/quote]

Wrong. The “truth” has nothing to do with it.

THIS is being a prick:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I hope what you just wrote doesn’t make sense to even you.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Thank you for that. I have “doctor” in front of my name but there is always basic shit about biology that I missed. I shall credit that for my weight gain.
[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am a DMD, the type who uses a scalpel and sutures on an almost daily basis.
[/quote]

THIS is being a prick:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Or more recently, the famous pre-fatigue thread where you completely got the concept wrong, refused to admit you were wrong, but later changed you’re mind without offering an apology.

first…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would I want to “pre-fatigue” my chest on CHEST DAY???[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I guess that explains why mine keeps growing.
I’m doing it wrong.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
You usually only pre-fatigue a muscle if it is interfering or becoming the optimal mover in an exercise when the goal is another muscle group. [/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
That is WHY you pre-exhaust a muscle group…so it fails first and doesn’t interfere with the TARGET muscle group.

That is why pre-exhausting chest on CHEST DAY makes little sense.[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would I want to weaken my chest WHEN TRAINING MY CHEST IN PRIORITY??
[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am laughing at how the definition got switched.
[/quote]

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Now mind you, your own personal experience shows this to be the case…but somehow I got it wrong.

I know this term may be used now in fitness sites, but in bodybuilding historically years ago, I think it meant getting a muscle that fires first when you don’t want it to to tire first.[/quote]

then later…

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am also NOT disagreeing with the other concept if anyone is still arguing that for some reason.
[/quote][/quote]

THIS is being a prick:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

Reminds people constantly he’s a doctor.

Brags constantly about his education.

Asks people if they need him to repeat what he just wrote.

Asks people if he needs to write it out in crayon.

Asks people who argue with him in multiple threads if they’re gay.

Asks people if English is their first language.

Constantly tries to convince everyone to accept the inflated image he has of himself.

Is constantly sarcastic and condescending.

But I suppose none of the above is being a prick. It’s just pointing out when people are wrong.[/quote]

Let me end this by quoting the most famous asshole in all of T-Nation:

Let me know if I need to repeat that again lest that basic message be lost again.

  • Professor X
    [/quote]
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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

I only stated that further clarification was necessary. Chill.

The checklist for the first exam included
…[/quote]

I am not sure why you posted this. Our very first exam was identifying the more than 500 different parts of anatomy of the human skull. It was more in depth than the list you threw up.

It seems difficult to admit that a doctor has more training in anatomy and phys than any undergrad student.

Why?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

I only stated that further clarification was necessary. Chill.

The checklist for the first exam included
…[/quote]

I am not sure why you posted this. Our very first exam was identifying the more than 500 different parts of anatomy of the human skull. It was more in depth than the list you threw up.

It seems difficult to admit that a doctor has more training in anatomy and phys than any undergrad student.

Why?[/quote]
Why is it so hard to clarify beyond a sentence? I was showing you what I wanted to see from you. Something that wasn’t vague.

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

I only stated that further clarification was necessary. Chill.

The checklist for the first exam included
…[/quote]

I am not sure why you posted this. Our very first exam was identifying the more than 500 different parts of anatomy of the human skull. It was more in depth than the list you threw up.

It seems difficult to admit that a doctor has more training in anatomy and phys than any undergrad student.

Why?[/quote]
Why is it so hard to clarify beyond a sentence? I was showing you what I wanted to see from you. Something that wasn’t vague.[/quote]

I just told you. It would take pages to list out what we covered on our first test.

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

I only stated that further clarification was necessary. Chill.

The checklist for the first exam included
…[/quote]

I am not sure why you posted this. Our very first exam was identifying the more than 500 different parts of anatomy of the human skull. It was more in depth than the list you threw up.

It seems difficult to admit that a doctor has more training in anatomy and phys than any undergrad student.

Why?[/quote]
Why is it so hard to clarify beyond a sentence? I was showing you what I wanted to see from you. Something that wasn’t vague.[/quote]

I’m confused, spar4tee. Aren’t you black? I thought everyone who argued with PX only did so because they are racist.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

I only stated that further clarification was necessary. Chill.

The checklist for the first exam included
…[/quote]

I am not sure why you posted this. Our very first exam was identifying the more than 500 different parts of anatomy of the human skull. It was more in depth than the list you threw up.

It seems difficult to admit that a doctor has more training in anatomy and phys than any undergrad student.

Why?[/quote]
Why is it so hard to clarify beyond a sentence? I was showing you what I wanted to see from you. Something that wasn’t vague.[/quote]

I just told you. It would take pages to list out what we covered on our first test.

[/quote]
I wasn’t asking for a literal match lol. Something beyond saying you covered or looked at parts of the body. That conveys false constructs of your knowledge base. Just use more specific details. You don’t have to cite everything. Like you said, not everyone goes to dental school, so it should be no surprise that I lack extensive knowledge of your studies beyond the components of the mouth. I’m not attacking you. I’m legitimately curious.

Plus it’s also fair to state that was just the lab, I didn’t take the lecture, so I don’t know what they were covering.