What is Lean Body Mass?

Oh man

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
45 lbs in this pic. I was stuck at that weight for the longest time until my mom started making pasta a 3x a week.[/quote]

Doesn’t look like you’ve gained more than 35 lbs bro.

I don’t really know what is being argued in this thread. It seems to be the same old same old but that can’t be right because we all profess to have a degree of intelligence that would stop us going over the same shit time and time and time again.

PX has done amazing gaining the mass he has since high school. I don’t know what the high school years are in the USA. Movies like Grease would have us believe its twenty five to thirty years of age but not sure if that’s accurate. As a teenager he weighed about the same as a UK ten year girl so his gains have been incredible. I don’t think anyone disputes that though.

Thing is we are all caught up in saying our way is the best which is irrelevant as the pursuit we are all engaged in is judged on how we look, or how much we lift, not how we weigh when dead and dessicated or weighed underwater.

Thing is both systems work it just matters what the ultimate goal is. Lean gains works for those who always want to keep bodyfat in check and not be far away from the best they can look at short notice. This in itself is a goal. To remain not more than one or two weeks of almost contest ( lets say beach ) ready is a goal for some.

Overeating and making damn sure you get the calories in is a time honoured way of gaining mass and it works. It has worked for many many top bodybuilders. Not sure about naturals but most of the top bodybuilders I followed ate this way according to their ghost written articles.

So really whatever this OP meant to be it, like many posts here, morphed into a " my way is better than your way " type thread.
But what works, works. We are like people arguing about the best road route to a party but getting there at the same time. Lets all just enjoy the party.

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
45 lbs in this pic. I was stuck at that weight for the longest time until my mom started making pasta a 3x a week.[/quote]
Did your mam and dad decorate your bed with pictures of the Mangui plant?? I have taken mangui and it fucking blows your mind totally. My mam and dad put pictures of Thomas The Tank Engine on my bed. Your parents are hip

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am guessing the goal is to get me to leave the forum?
[/quote]

God please.[/quote]

No offense, guy…but maybe you should spend more time working on your own body…and less time trying to get me to leave for no reason simply because I ask questions without believing everything I am told because “insert author” said it.[/quote]

Will you leave because you do adolescent, immature, classless things like call a gentleman like Stu “Stuey?”

No offense, of course.[/quote]

This is the absurdity in all of this. PX always whines about how people should post less and listen more and how it’s everyone else’s fault that these threads turn into train wrecks. He could post in T-Cell Alpha to avoid all of the people he doesn’t want to see post but he knows that forum doesn’t get the views and responses he requires to fuel his massive ego. That’s why he continues to rehash the same topics and turn the thread into a discussion about him. Then he posts the obligatory two-year old pic to prove how not fat he is now.

MOAR views!

MOAR posts!

MOAR responses from TC!

MOAR!!!

These threads will never end until you tell him what he wants to hear - it’s not about misinformation for noobs - it’s about his ego and perceived self importance. It always has been.

So - if you’ll all just agree that the ceiling for natural muscle gain is not limited to 50 pounds or so, and also agree with him that he is around 15% BF right now, and could step onstage ripped at 5% and still be 230lbs - that would satisfy him.

He continues making this same topic over and over for his personal satisfaction. Just admit he’s gained 80 or 90 pounds of pure LBM naturally, admit he is in no way, shape or form 20+% bodyfat, and that he won’t weigh less than 230 even if he chose to compete, and he’ll let the hostages go and end this stand-off that’s been going on some 10 years now…

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[quote]mbdix wrote:
Re-calculated and with 4 lbs of muscle lost while dropping to stage ready condition I would estimate 205 lbs stage ready body weight. 220 lbs would put X around 10% body fat % which would be respectable conditioning IMO. [/quote]

10% would be respectable conditioning to most people on the planet…even those in the gym seriously if there is a lot of muscle there.

But see, that is one of the main problems here…people discussing arbitrary assumptions of “what might happen if…” instead of simply looking at what is.

I have no desire to ever diet down to contest level leanness. Most people don’t.

I don’t care what weight I “might weigh if…”. I am simply responding to people who try really hard to act like there is no muscle there…like anyone saying I would have to drop over 100lbs to be contest ready.

There is likely and there is wildely unlikely. If someone loses over 40lbs of lean body mass in a diet, they freaking did it wrong…and this forum isn’t even about contest dieting.

I was tested at 16% at around 250lbs. I’m cool with that…and am stronger and bigger now.

That is all my goal is…that and responding to people who try really hard to discredit everything I write based on personal issues.

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am guessing the goal is to get me to leave the forum?
[/quote]

God please.[/quote]

No offense, guy…but maybe you should spend more time working on your own body…and less time trying to get me to leave for no reason simply because I ask questions without believing everything I am told because “insert author” said it.[/quote]

Will you leave because you do adolescent, immature, classless things like call a gentleman like Stu “Stuey?”

No offense, of course.[/quote]

Stuey is a common sobriquet of that name.

I will show him more respect when he shows me more. No disrespect intended. I didn’t name him Stu.

[quote]Brett620 wrote:
Interesting thread. It would be nice to divide it and separate the useful information from the personal attacks and entertainment.

That said, if Prof X started at his stated weight and bodyfat, he has gained more than 35 lbs of muscle. Now, I don’t care technically how said ‘muscle’ is calculated, but from the photos, there is no way he gained only 35 pounds.

Whether his choice to carry _____% of bodyfat, I think everyone can agree that he totally transformed his physique by adding muscle.

And I agree that if he wanted to lean down, he would look so impressive @ 225-230 no one would talk about him. As someone pointed out, this is more art than science. After all, it’s based on HOW WE LOOK (which is totally subjective BTW).

But, he gets to pursue his own goals, and getting down that lean is not one of them.[/quote]

Agreed.

Mind you…all I asked in this thread was the method Brickhouse is using to arrive at a number as strange as “35lbs of muscle gained”.

He avoids answering it…and Stu is in the thread arguing simply because I posted at all.

NO real discussion can take place as long as these same guys do this.

Bottom line, I want to know how Brickhouse is held as such a fount of knowledge when I see very little real science coming from that direction.

Please explain, Brickhouse in detail without the peanut gallery jumping in to guard you…

[quote]steven alex wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
45 lbs in this pic. I was stuck at that weight for the longest time until my mom started making pasta a 3x a week.[/quote]
Did your mam and dad decorate your bed with pictures of the Mangui plant?? I have taken mangui and it fucking blows your mind totally. My mam and dad put pictures of Thomas The Tank Engine on my bed. Your parents are hip[/quote]
I’ve never heard of that drug lol but tell us more please.

Thanks for the compliment. Back then, no one told me I could become a tank engine.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]browndisaster wrote:
cool article

220-230 “beach lean” is still my goal. I like bluecollar’s method of 3 x height in inches[/quote]

At those numbers with those dimensions predicted from that calculator you’d be a fucking tank. Need to get out the tape measure and see what’s up.[/quote]
Yeah its pretty nuts, I’m still 40-50 lbs off lol. Height definitely makes a huge impact on your look.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am guessing the goal is to get me to leave the forum?
[/quote]

God please.[/quote]

No offense, guy…but maybe you should spend more time working on your own body…and less time trying to get me to leave for no reason simply because I ask questions without believing everything I am told because “insert author” said it.[/quote]

What’s wrong with RATTLEHEAD’s body, I think it looks better than X’s, definitely leaner and more ripped.

Sure, X wants the kind of body that makes people steer clear of his path when he walks down the street, shit he clears the fucking road everytime he hops onto his motorcycle, but that doesn’t mean everyone wants to look like that (I sure as fuck don’t) and therefor should avoid posting until getting to that size.

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Intro from Casey Butt’s article on natural limits. Seemed appropriate.

DISCLAIMER: The world of popular bodybuilding has always been and probably always will be full of exaggerations, deceptions and, sometimes, outright lies. Unfortunately, those exaggerations often shape people’s perceptions of bodybuilders’ legitimate measurements. The purpose of the information presented in this article is to provide accurate references and tools so people can form appropriate training expectations based on reality. That said, even many adults don’t have the maturity and intelligence to accept and deal with knowledge of their own limitations. If you’re comfortable with your current perception of your bodybuilding potential (depending on how realistic your training expectations are) and think that any threat to that perception might negatively influence your self-image or motivation to train thenÃ? do not read this articleDISCLAIMER: The world of popular bodybuilding has always been and probably always will be full of exaggerations, deceptions and, sometimes, outright lies. Unfortunately, those exaggerations often shape people’s perceptions of bodybuilders’ legitimate measurements. The purpose of the information presented in this article is to provide accurate references and tools so people can form appropriate training expectations based on reality. That said, even many adults don’t have the maturity and intelligence to accept and deal with knowledge of their own limitations. If you’re comfortable with your current perception of your bodybuilding potential (depending on how realistic your training expectations are) and think that any threat to that perception might negatively influence your self-image or motivation to train thenÃ? do not read this article
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Please don’t start referencing that terrible article. The guy has no credibility whatsoever.

“Based on my secret data which I can’t share, I’ve proven that people can’t get as big as they think without steroids. Oh, and that guy over there whose measurements don’t fit my predetermined conclusions, I’m going to accuse him of using drugs without evidence in order to not risk challenging my assumptions.” ← summary of article

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am guessing the goal is to get me to leave the forum?
[/quote]

God please.[/quote]

No offense, guy…but maybe you should spend more time working on your own body…and less time trying to get me to leave for no reason simply because I ask questions without believing everything I am told because “insert author” said it.[/quote]

Will you leave because you do adolescent, immature, classless things like call a gentleman like Stu “Stuey?”

No offense, of course.[/quote]

It’s always the HATERZ that are at fault, not him.

Silly Chush.

Pretty interesting and on point with the topic of discussion.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am guessing the goal is to get me to leave the forum?
[/quote]

God please.[/quote]

No offense, guy…but maybe you should spend more time working on your own body…and less time trying to get me to leave for no reason simply because I ask questions without believing everything I am told because “insert author” said it.[/quote]

Will you leave because you do adolescent, immature, classless things like call a gentleman like Stu “Stuey?”

No offense, of course.[/quote]

It’s always the HATERZ that are at fault, not him.

Silly Chush.
[/quote]

Definitely so if you are trying to get someone to leave a forum because they called a man named Stu “Stuey”.

I mean, you can’t get much more petty than that.

Care to speak for Brickhead and explain his 35lbs of muscle gained declaration?

I mean, that is why you are here, right?

[quote]toddthebod wrote:

[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Intro from Casey Butt’s article on natural limits. Seemed appropriate.

DISCLAIMER: The world of popular bodybuilding has always been and probably always will be full of exaggerations, deceptions and, sometimes, outright lies. Unfortunately, those exaggerations often shape people’s perceptions of bodybuilders’ legitimate measurements. The purpose of the information presented in this article is to provide accurate references and tools so people can form appropriate training expectations based on reality. That said, even many adults don’t have the maturity and intelligence to accept and deal with knowledge of their own limitations. If you’re comfortable with your current perception of your bodybuilding potential (depending on how realistic your training expectations are) and think that any threat to that perception might negatively influence your self-image or motivation to train thenÃ??Ã? do not read this articleDISCLAIMER: The world of popular bodybuilding has always been and probably always will be full of exaggerations, deceptions and, sometimes, outright lies. Unfortunately, those exaggerations often shape people’s perceptions of bodybuilders’ legitimate measurements. The purpose of the information presented in this article is to provide accurate references and tools so people can form appropriate training expectations based on reality. That said, even many adults don’t have the maturity and intelligence to accept and deal with knowledge of their own limitations. If you’re comfortable with your current perception of your bodybuilding potential (depending on how realistic your training expectations are) and think that any threat to that perception might negatively influence your self-image or motivation to train thenÃ??Ã? do not read this article
[/quote]

Please don’t start referencing that terrible article. The guy has no credibility whatsoever.

“Based on my secret data which I can’t share, I’ve proven that people can’t get as big as they think without steroids. Oh, and that guy over there whose measurements don’t fit my predetermined conclusions, I’m going to accuse him of using drugs without evidence in order to not risk challenging my assumptions.” ← summary of article
[/quote]

Basically. The errors in that piece are too many to count and I have gone over that with the man directly in past discussions.

Good post that will most likely be ignored…interesting read.