What is Lean Body Mass?

[quote]gregron wrote:

Pretty interesting and on point with the topic of discussion.[/quote]

It actually isn’t unless you can explain why the following is ignored just to start:

  1. Natural bodybuilding contests are not won based on who carries the most muscle mass or lean body mass.

  2. Wider hip structures are not considered ideal in bodybuilding even though those body types could carry more muscle and also have more lean body mass.

  3. Most of the people looked at were of mostly one ethnic group and one body type (another reason for the info at the start of the thread).

Please explain how this is covered or even regarded in that piece.

If it isn’t, then explain how these errors are accounted for.

[quote]Professor X wrote:

  1. Natural bodybuilding contests are not won based on who carries the most muscle mass or lean body mass.

  2. Wider hip structures are not considered ideal in bodybuilding even though those body types could carry more muscle and also have more lean body mass.[/quote]

True, if we’re going by any method to judge the limits of an unassisted yet aesthetically complete bodybuilder, but I don’t think anyone is. While I can only speak for my own experiences, I have never in my life known of a bodybuilder, competitive or not, who hasn’t been steadfast in his or her constant pursuit to build the maximum amount of muscle possible.

I daresay it’d be kind of silly to even presume that someone would be in the situation of intentionally not doing so. This would apply even moreso IMO in the case of unassisted individuals, who can’t afford to risk any leg up to a fellow competitor or gym rat.

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3. Most of the people looked at were of mostly one ethnic group and one body type (another reason for the info at the start of the thread). [/quote]

Having been so a ridiculous number of contests as a spectator, competitor, and judge, I can say with a good degree of certainty that the majority of competitors are not white, and I have yet to see many (any) that seem to exceed the yard sticks many seem to go by.

S

Who cares

No one here in this thread is even near that level, apart from maybe Stu and knee-gro

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I was tested at 16% at around 250lbs.
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No you fucking weren’t you lying sack of shit. There were pages upon pages of people asking you to get BF tested in this very thread (well, it was titled “LIMITS”, but it was the same thread) and you gave the whole “I DON’T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING I DON’T WANT TO” excuse like always.

So you can do a 315 reverse band bench for what, four reps, now?

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I was tested at 16% at around 250lbs.
[/quote]

No you fucking weren’t you lying sack of shit. There were pages upon pages of people asking you to get BF tested in this very thread (well, it was titled “LIMITS”, but it was the same thread) and you gave the whole “I DON’T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING I DON’T WANT TO” excuse like always.

So you can do a 315 reverse band bench for what, four reps, now?[/quote]

It’s like grade school in here.

I wrote that at least 2-3 times in this thread alone…yet you only saw it this one time.

You are a joke, my man. Please contribute more than this. I stated this months back when I had it done. It may help you if you quit wasting hours upon hours following me with this and maybe just a tad more time reading what is actually there.

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I was tested at 16% at around 250lbs.
[/quote]

No you fucking weren’t you lying sack of shit. There were pages upon pages of people asking you to get BF tested in this very thread (well, it was titled “LIMITS”, but it was the same thread) and you gave the whole “I DON’T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING I DON’T WANT TO” excuse like always.

So you can do a 315 reverse band bench for what, four reps, now?[/quote]

Perhaps he can outlunge a 120 lb female now.

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

  1. Natural bodybuilding contests are not won based on who carries the most muscle mass or lean body mass.

  2. Wider hip structures are not considered ideal in bodybuilding even though those body types could carry more muscle and also have more lean body mass.[/quote]

True, if we’re going by any method to judge the limits of an unassisted yet aesthetically complete bodybuilder, but I don’t think anyone is. While I can only speak for my own experiences, I have never in my life known of a bodybuilder, competitive or not, who hasn’t been steadfast in his or her constant pursuit to build the maximum amount of muscle possible.[/quote]

That doesn’t mean anything. Bottom line, YOU DO NOT WIN NAT BB CONTESTS BASED ON WHO HAS THE MOST MUSCLE.

That means, yes, people who may not win could have had more muscle on them. To ignore that is NOT science.

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I daresay it’d be kind of silly to even presume that someone would be in the situation of intentionally not doing so. This would apply even moreso IMO in the case of unassisted individuals, who can’t afford to risk any leg up to a fellow competitor or gym rat.[/quote]

Uhm, spending more time dieting and competing alone could hold back gains.

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3. Most of the people looked at were of mostly one ethnic group and one body type (another reason for the info at the start of the thread). [/quote]

Having been so a ridiculous number of contests as a spectator, competitor, and judge, I can say with a good degree of certainty that the majority of competitors are not white, and I have yet to see many (any) that seem to exceed the yard sticks many seem to go by.

S[/quote]

The majority TODAY are not white. The majority looked at by Casey Butt were nearly ALL WHITE.

I mean, get real…I went through all of this with the man himself on this site.

What is lean body mass?

[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
What is lean body mass?[/quote]

A topic which is a jumping point allowing X to talk complete and utter shite, least I got to see his cute new hat.

[quote]ishinator wrote:

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I was tested at 16% at around 250lbs.
[/quote]

No you fucking weren’t you lying sack of shit. There were pages upon pages of people asking you to get BF tested in this very thread (well, it was titled “LIMITS”, but it was the same thread) and you gave the whole “I DON’T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING I DON’T WANT TO” excuse like always.

So you can do a 315 reverse band bench for what, four reps, now?[/quote]

Perhaps he can outlunge a 120 lb female now.[/quote]

LOL

PX is praying that the NPC forms another division like MPD, except you get to wear board shorts AND a tank top. He would totally own it.

Professor X, MTTD champion. That has a nice ring to it.

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
PX is praying that the NPC forms another division like MPD, except you get to wear board shorts AND a tank top. He would totally own it.

Professor X, MTTD champion. That has a nice ring to it.

[/quote]

Have you seen his calves?

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am guessing the goal is to get me to leave the forum?
[/quote]

God please.[/quote]

No offense, guy…but maybe you should spend more time working on your own body…and less time trying to get me to leave for no reason simply because I ask questions without believing everything I am told because “insert author” said it.[/quote]

What’s wrong with RATTLEHEAD’s body, I think it looks better than X’s, definitely leaner and more ripped.

Sure, X wants the kind of body that makes people steer clear of his path when he walks down the street, shit he clears the fucking road everytime he hops onto his motorcycle, but that doesn’t mean everyone wants to look like that (I sure as fuck don’t) and therefor should avoid posting until getting to that size.

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I still want to know what Teacher X thinks is wrong with RATTLEHEAD’S body, it’s not like the dude is a twig or something to warrant comments like “Your body speaks for you” or “you should spend more time working on your own body.”

Actually fits the BIGGER STRONGER LEANER better than just a big chunk of shapeless mass elitist who can’t coordinate movements like lunges.

[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
PX is praying that the NPC forms another division like MPD, except you get to wear board shorts AND a tank top. He would totally own it.

Professor X, MTTD champion. That has a nice ring to it.

[/quote]

Have you seen his calves?[/quote]

Exactly, it would have to be the BBMMMSD for him to be willing to enter.

(Best Bathroom Most Muscular Mirror Shot Division).

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:
Re-calculated and with 4 lbs of muscle lost while dropping to stage ready condition I would estimate 205 lbs stage ready body weight. 220 lbs would put X around 10% body fat % which would be respectable conditioning IMO. [/quote]

10% would be respectable conditioning to most people on the planet…even those in the gym seriously if there is a lot of muscle there.

But see, that is one of the main problems here…people discussing arbitrary assumptions of “what might happen if…” instead of simply looking at what is.

I have no desire to ever diet down to contest level leanness. Most people don’t.

I don’t care what weight I “might weigh if…”. I am simply responding to people who try really hard to act like there is no muscle there…like anyone saying I would have to drop over 100lbs to be contest ready.

There is likely and there is wildely unlikely. If someone loses over 40lbs of lean body mass in a diet, they freaking did it wrong…and this forum isn’t even about contest dieting.

I was tested at 16% at around 250lbs. I’m cool with that…and am stronger and bigger now.

That is all my goal is…that and responding to people who try really hard to discredit everything I write based on personal issues.[/quote]

Fair enough. Let me just say, no one here, who is being honest, thinks you haven’t put on a good amount of muscle.

Some just don’t think you have put on as much as you think you have

X, I know you’re a hard working guy who’s always so busy with so much stuff, so I have to ask:

Do you ever relax? Take some prof X time?

Do you go on vacation?

I want you to take a deep breath and envision this:

Imagine going on expedia and booking a vacation at an all inclusive resort in the US virgin islands. Enjoy receiving that confirmation email a minute later. Enjoy the moment knowing that full well, in a few months, you’ll be laying on a sandy beach with white wimmenz frolicking in clear blue waters.

Weeks of oral surgery go by, stressing over whiny patients and long lines at the mickey D’s drive thru.

Months go by, you’re almost there.

It’s the morning of your departure. You’re all packed, your taxi ride to the airport goes flawlessly. Security? Breezed right on by. You’re waiting at the gate, with nothing but a few hours between you and your beloved vacation.

“Attention passengers, we’re about to board flight 1411 to USVI in five minutes.”

Five minutes go by, and you’re itching in line to get to your seat where you can just fall asleep and wake up in paradise.

Finally, after all these minuscule minions decide to get out of your way, you wedge yourself into your aisle seat, put your neck pillow on, take a deep breath and think to yourself “Soon…”

Your take off goes well, you hear the landing gear fold up into the airplane, so you decide to close your eyes…

An hour and a half of uninterrupted, perfect sleep goes by, when all of a sudden, you’re abruptly awoken by the loud ping of the flight attendant PA system.

“There’s a medical emergency on the plane. Do we have any doctors on board??” She says.

Do you answer yes? Only asking, cause, you know, you’re a dentist.

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am guessing the goal is to get me to leave the forum?
[/quote]

God please.[/quote]

No offense, guy…but maybe you should spend more time working on your own body…and less time trying to get me to leave for no reason simply because I ask questions without believing everything I am told because “insert author” said it.[/quote]

What’s wrong with RATTLEHEAD’s body, I think it looks better than X’s, definitely leaner and more ripped.

Sure, X wants the kind of body that makes people steer clear of his path when he walks down the street, shit he clears the fucking road everytime he hops onto his motorcycle, but that doesn’t mean everyone wants to look like that (I sure as fuck don’t) and therefor should avoid posting until getting to that size.

[/quote]

I still want to know what Teacher X thinks is wrong with RATTLEHEAD’S body, it’s not like the dude is a twig or something to warrant comments like “Your body speaks for you” or “you should spend more time working on your own body.”

Actually fits the BIGGER STRONGER LEANER better than just a big chunk of shapeless mass elitist who can’t coordinate movements like lunges.
[/quote]

I appreciate your comments btw, it’s nice to read compared to usual stuff from X lol.

[quote]mbdix wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]mbdix wrote:
Re-calculated and with 4 lbs of muscle lost while dropping to stage ready condition I would estimate 205 lbs stage ready body weight. 220 lbs would put X around 10% body fat % which would be respectable conditioning IMO. [/quote]

10% would be respectable conditioning to most people on the planet…even those in the gym seriously if there is a lot of muscle there.

But see, that is one of the main problems here…people discussing arbitrary assumptions of “what might happen if…” instead of simply looking at what is.

I have no desire to ever diet down to contest level leanness. Most people don’t.

I don’t care what weight I “might weigh if…”. I am simply responding to people who try really hard to act like there is no muscle there…like anyone saying I would have to drop over 100lbs to be contest ready.

There is likely and there is wildely unlikely. If someone loses over 40lbs of lean body mass in a diet, they freaking did it wrong…and this forum isn’t even about contest dieting.

I was tested at 16% at around 250lbs. I’m cool with that…and am stronger and bigger now.

That is all my goal is…that and responding to people who try really hard to discredit everything I write based on personal issues.[/quote]

Fair enough. Let me just say, no one here, who is being honest, thinks you haven’t put on a good amount of muscle.

Some just don’t think you have put on as much as you think you have[/quote]

??

How much do I think I have?

I think you do a body fat test and calculate it.

That would be the right way.

Anything else is pretty much bullshit.

This is strange…Stu is misinformed about who Butt’s study even looked at. That is why Butt himself wrote that African Americans may not fit his module…BECAUSE HE DIDN’T LOOK AT THEM.

That is the very definition of faulty science.

Unless the most muscular guy always wins the bodybuilding contest, you can not use winners alone as much of anything but data compiling.

Ignoring that certain body shapes that hold the most mass would be considered UNAESTHETIC and would lose a contest is also faulty science.

Get back to me, Stu when you actually want to discuss the science and not just the bias.

[quote]Ripsaw3689 wrote:
What is lean body mass?[/quote]
good question

answer: PX would be 225 lbs absolutely shredded contest shape (going by his stats posted)…but he doesn’t want to look like you twinks