What is Lean Body Mass?

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[quote]ryanbCXG write:
Lolz at anyone talking down about gaining 35lbs of muscle. Wtf get your head screwed on. This isn’t a bro 35lbs which translates into 50% fat 30% water and 20% muscle. We are talking all muscle. 35lbs is nuts. You gain that and will be a different person. Persnally I put on 10lbs from last year till now. And the difference is quit noticeable even on my stupid lanky frame[/quote]

This is interesting…because this entire statement is nothing but “bro science”.

“his isn’t a bro 35lbs which translates into 50% fat 30% water and 20% muscle”

Lean body mass doesn’t include fat. You also can’t eliminate water without someone dying…so while that number may fluctuate, acting like you can exclude body water isn’t real science.

But clearly no one here cares that this bro science is being spread by these people.

It is far more important to make sure I never discuss it…

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:
lol

At least the gifs are entertaining.
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always the highlight of these threads.

“I come for the ‘discussion’, I stay for the gifs”

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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
lol

At least the gifs are entertaining.
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always the highlight of these threads.

“I come for the ‘discussion’, I stay for the gifs”

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Well, you definitely don’t come to actually discuss anything…because I am still waiting to hear exactly what I have written that you disagree with.

Apparently, if anyone else had written this thread, you would have no problem with it…

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Wise OP,

please hear my prayer and swiftly convey,

how much lean mass would these two purvey?

what if their genes would turn to black,

and my seed would enter their precious crack-

could my son put on 70 lean pounds eazay?

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[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
Hey brick, I’m curious to hear your assessment of how much muscle I’ve gained over my 6 years of training. This Is a pic of me at 172 lbs. I’m about the same height as professor x and where I started was at about the same weight. I’ll find a picture of me right as I was starting training…[/quote]

Well, you look very good and have accomplished quite a bit, and again, I’m not an expert. I THINK you’ve probably gained about 35 pounds of muscle-maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less–which is a lot!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

I said no insults and no nonsense so I will overlook your sarcasm and attempts to patronize.

How much muscle do you think/know you have gained?

We know what brick thinks and that you disagree (that’s the whole point of this thread) so what is your number?[/quote]

Why aren’t you concerned with HOW Brick arrived at his number of “35lbs of muscle”?
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I know how and why brick thinks what he thinks because he has explained it thoroughly at least 30 times in the 10+ variations of this thread that have already happened.

I’m not curious as to what he thinks (because he’s already explained it) I want to know what you think. I’m not going to bash you for it or anything. I really just want to talk with you about it.

I’ve said it before and ill say it again, you have built a whole heck of a lot of muscle, more than I have, and I’m just wanting to know what you think/know that your numbers are. This isn’t a trap or anything.

How much muscle do you think you’ve rpughly gained after puberty and growth stopped? I know you started highschool at 90 pounds a but weren’t done growing so do you think roughly you maybe have been fully developed (without weights of course) at 155? 150? How much extra muscle have you put on from there? That’s the sort of back and forth/dialogue I’m hoping to get.

I really don’t want to argue, just have a good discussion without other posters Influence.

Again, these are rough estimates and not set in stone down to the ounce calculator numbers :slight_smile:

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[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
Hey brick, I’m curious to hear your assessment of how much muscle I’ve gained over my 6 years of training. This Is a pic of me at 172 lbs. I’m about the same height as professor x and where I started was at about the same weight. I’ll find a picture of me right as I was starting training…[/quote]
I don’t know how much muscle you’ve gained but I’m sure as hell glad you got rid of those awful dread locks :wink:

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]GrindOverMatter wrote:
Hey brick, I’m curious to hear your assessment of how much muscle I’ve gained over my 6 years of training. This Is a pic of me at 172 lbs. I’m about the same height as professor x and where I started was at about the same weight. I’ll find a picture of me right as I was starting training…[/quote]

Well, you look very good and have accomplished quite a bit, and again, I’m not an expert. I THINK you’ve probably gained about 35 pounds of muscle-maybe a bit more, maybe a bit less–which is a lot!

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So you think both of us gained 35lbs of muscle?

How is it no one else is questioning what you are writing? No offense, but I haven’t seen much from you that is actually based in any fact at all.

To determine how much lean body mass he gained, you would need to know a starting body fat percentage and weight and an ending…that is all.

You seem to just be making numbers up.

How are you arriving at these numbers?

I weigh about 100lbs more than him…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am guessing the goal is to get me to leave the forum?
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God please.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

I’m not curious as to what he thinks (because he’s already explained it)[/quote]

he actually hasn’t.

he has not explained how both I and grindovermatter both somehow gained 35lbs of muscle.

Please list out how he arrives at this number.

There is no point discussing more until we all understand the method he is using.

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[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
I am guessing the goal is to get me to leave the forum?
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God please.[/quote]

No offense, guy…but maybe you should spend more time working on your own body…and less time trying to get me to leave for no reason simply because I ask questions without believing everything I am told because “insert author” said it.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

This statement was made by Brickhead and I am asking for clarity on how came up with that number.[/quote]

I don’t know what you’re body composition is now, but it’s clearly obvious in a few of your pictures that you are above 20% bodyfat, perhaps in the mid-20’s. [/quote]

I am by no means in the mid-20’s and haven’t held that much body fat in several years now. I was also not “mid-20’s body fat” in this picture[photo]34868[/photo]…yet you still assume only “35lbs of muscle” was gained in several years of training.

How did you arrive at that number?

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X, what do you estimate how much muscle you’ve gained? Please, try to answer without mentioning for the thousandth time, “there are daily fluctuations,” considering these daily fluctuations are so negligible under NORMAL circumstances they’re not even worth mentioning. [/quote]

I would estimate over 70lbs of muscle considering I was measured at 11% body fat at 150lbs when I started which equals over 130lbs of lean body mass at the start… and even if I were 20% body fat right now, that would add up to a gain over 75-80lbs of lean body mass since starting.

Please explain your method for coming up with your numbers.

Mine simply involves adding and subtracting what is actually there.[/quote]

X, why not just get your body fat tested by a professional, post your numbers with your weight, and show the “approximate” amount of muscle you’ve gained? Please don’t respond with “I’m not going out of my way to do that for the people that argue with me.” It literally takes 5 minutes by caliper, and you could even go a more scientific route (i.e. DEXA) if you’d prefer.

I think I also saw you mention you were planning on leaning down a bit. This would be the appropriate time to determine where you actually stand. You seem to be quite interested in physiology and biology, so I would assume, like me, obtaining appromximate numbers of your mass, body fat, etc. would be more important to you. I understand that at the end of the day you just want to look good (or whatever your goal is with all of this working out, science talk, etc.), but don’t you want to quantify it?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

I said no insults and no nonsense so I will overlook your sarcasm and attempts to patronize.

How much muscle do you think/know you have gained?

We know what brick thinks and that you disagree (that’s the whole point of this thread) so what is your number?[/quote]

Why aren’t you concerned with HOW Brick arrived at his number of “35lbs of muscle”?
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As he said, he’s not interested in how I arrived at my ESTIMATION or EDUCATED GUESS (two things you have problems with) because I’ve gone over it with you in these blown out threads over and over and over again! Refer to the LIMITS thread, the “TJ Lynch on Bulking” thread" or any of the other threads on full housing and permabulking.

In the shirtless picture you posted here, I can say with absolute certainty you are over 20% and probably in the mid 20’s.

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[quote]baugust wrote:

X, why not just get your body fat tested by a professional, post your numbers with your weight, and show the “approximate” amount of muscle you’ve gained? Please don’t respond with “I’m not going out of my way to do that for the people that argue with me.” It literally takes 5 minutes by caliper, and you could even go a more scientific route (i.e. DEXA) if you’d prefer. [/quote]

I already did that when I was 250 and measured at 16% body fat several months back.

I have gained weight since then for the first time in a few years going back up to 270lbs.

Any other questions, just ask.

I don’t actually care in quantifying the exact number…until I see someone make a grossly incorrect statement about it.

My goal is to eventually be both bigger and leaner. I am working towards that goal and am doing just fine. That avatar was taken the day before yesterday at a weight of 270lbs. I will diet later this year and only to the point that I am satisfied. The exact number isn’t the goal.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

As he said, he’s not interested in how I arrived at my ESTIMATION or EDUCATED GUESS (two things you have problems with) because I’ve gone over it with you in these blown out threads over and over and over again! Refer to the LIMITS thread, the “TJ Lynch on Bulking” thread" or any of the other threads on full housing and permabulking. [/quote]

None of those threads contain any legit information about HOW you arrive at these numbers.

You seem to just pick numbers out of the air…especially fi you claim a difference in two poster of nearly 100lbs means we both gained the same anmount of muscle.

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In the shirtless picture you posted here, I can say with absolute certainty you are over 20% and probably in the mid 20’s. [/quote]

Then I would question your judgment at all…because that is not the case.

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You’ve stated over and over again you don’t like my conclusions, estimations, or reasoning. I get that, and so does everyone else. So disagree or dislike it. That’s fine. [/quote]

Actually, all I did was ask for your method.

My method involves a calculator.

Your method seems to involve magic.

Could you explain how you arrived at “35lbs of muscle”?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
lol

At least the gifs are entertaining.
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LOL at trying this hard to shout down every thread or post I write here.

I am guessing the goal is to get me to leave the forum?
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What?

I just love reading these shitshows.

I use to come in here for the mindless dribble, but I now stay for the gifs, memes, and images.

I could care less about your posting, but this is entertaining. Simple as that.

Stop trying too hard to think it’s more than that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

I’m not curious as to what he thinks (because he’s already explained it)[/quote]

he actually hasn’t.

he has not explained how both I and grindovermatter both somehow gained 35lbs of muscle.

Please list out how he arrives at this number.

There is no point discussing more until we all understand the method he is using.[/quote]
I’m not talking about bricks numbers. No way you and grind have built the same amount of muscle.

I don’t think your number is 35 pounds but I’m just wanting to know your take. What you think. I’m leaving the test of these guys out of it?

You think you’re somewhere between 65-75 pound of lifting (not puberty/growing) induced muscle growth right?
What would you say your current BF% is?

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[quote]detazathoth wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]detazathoth wrote:
lol

At least the gifs are entertaining.
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LOL at trying this hard to shout down every thread or post I write here.

I am guessing the goal is to get me to leave the forum?
[/quote]

What?

I just love reading these shitshows.

I use to come in here for the mindless dribble, but I now stay for the gifs, memes, and images.

I could care less about your posting, but this is entertaining. Simple as that.

Stop trying too hard to think it’s more than that.[/quote]

LOL. I don’t think it is more than that. Your posts basically amount to making fun of other people and posting your own progress.

Your progress has been good by the way.

It is frankly pretty sad you can’t do anything more positive…

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[quote]gregron wrote:

I’m not talking about bricks numbers. No way you and grind have built the same amount of muscle.[/quote]

then why are you mad at me questioning him on that??

[quote]

I don’t think your number is 35 pounds but I’m just wanting to know your take. What you think. I’m leaving the test of these guys out of it?[/quote]

Why leave them out when the entire thread is about HOW he gets these numbers and why no one else is questioning him at all?

I see many posts about how much information he adds…when I have not seen that. It seems to be nothing but baseless opinion.

I am asking for his method. Why are you against me getting that info?

Don’t know and don’t care. It may be 20% right now at 270 and it may be less. I do know I look the best I have ever looked at this weight and that is what matters most…progress in muscle gains.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

There are biological differences in ethnicity. That is what this study was looking at.

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You’re right about that too.