Is this also the part where we talk about the subjects of the studies, and how until the studies are done on (paraphrasing for the lulz) subjects who are as close as possible to the exact life conditions of bodybuilders at each level of size we choose to discuss, that the studies are meaningless because there are effects of the lifestyle that would fundamentally change any resultant findings?
This thread could be hilarious.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This really makes me wonder when allegedly trained professionals on this board claim they can fit all people to one standard by looking at them.
I do wonder if I could get the expertise of Brickhead on this topic…seeing as he professes to be an expert…[/quote]
Apparently you don’t follow all my posts. It’s not that I would expect you too, but I’ve literally said over and over, "I DON’T CONSIDER MYSELF AN EXPERT IN ANYTHING.
Apparently you don’t follow all my posts. It’s not that I would expect you too, but I’ve literally said over and over, “RACE IS MORE THAN SKIN COLOR” and there are biological differences. Apparently you missed my posts in one of these ongoing threads in which I discussed the difference in size of the sub-races of the White race–Nordics, Alpines, and Mediterraneans–and that there are indeed physiological differences between blacks and whites. Actually, if I recall correctly, and if what I read is true, there are THREE HUNDRED anatomical, physiological, and cognitive differences between blacks and whites. There are differences in skull shape and thickness, the skeleton, brain formation, sweat glands, musculature, spatial awareness, facial features, eyes, skin composition, and so on! I see one of these shows that there are difference in limb length. It’s actually why blacks excel in boxing; on average they have thicker skulls and longer limbs, two advantageous qualities for contact sports.
This is why I COMMEND and COMPLIMENT you for posting this material and not following the politically correct party lines of, “We are all the same,” “We all bleed red”, and “the only difference between us all is skin color”. (My favorite happens to be the last one; as if someone like Whoopy Goldberg would look like a white person if she only acquired fair skin.)
I’m not sure if you wanted to invite me into argue or debate, but it turns out I don’t consider myself an expert and I recognize racial differences, so therefore at least SOME of our beliefs are congruent. [/quote]
Do you recommend any books on this subject? It doesn’t have to be LIMITed to just blacks and whites.
[quote]ishinator wrote:
Do you recommend any books on this subject? It doesn’t have to be LIMITed to just blacks and whites.
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Oh yes, there are many, but unfortunately, I don’t think it’s wise to list them here. All I can suggest is google the term, “racial differences” and take it from there. Just do yourself a favor by having an open mind–so open that you’ll be receptive to reading about things you don’t even find pleasant, because differences usually show some race to be “better” than another in some cases, as we see here in the muscle building topic (as if there’s something wrong with being better or worse)–and avoiding all the popular cliches about race (eg, “it’s just a matter of skin color”, “we all put our pants on one leg at a time”) and you’ll be headed in the right direction. After all, you don’t want to LIMIT yourself to politically correct drivel.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Bro science dictates that you use charts based on populations of specific small populations of people and apply it to everyone else on the planet.
Bro science states that since Caucasians in the 60’s who could afford to bodybuild were observed that this is how we should judge how much lean body mass a lifter has gained.
The truth is, you simply measure the body fat mass and subtract the rest as lean body mass in a living human being. The human body is too fluctuant and variable on even a daily basis to use any one specific body fat amount as determinant of “lean body mass”.
It is a variable state to start with, not a constant.[/quote]
Quit misrepresenting every damn point. Nobody here said that the body “is a calculator”, as you love to repeat lately. That doesn’t mean you can’t have educated estimates and guesses that are very close to reality.
You don’t like the ones available? Great. Maybe they are totally off. But to determine that, you’d have to finally go lose the blubber and show everyone by surpassing them.
We would all love to see your super black genetics crush those pesky bro-scientists once and for all. Everyone’s been waiting for many years, through every one of your broken promises to finally cut the fat out.
Until then, why not kindly shut up?
I hope my questions aren’t lost amongst these new posts.
op has aspergers
So many wins with the gifs and pics
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
possibly useful metrics for bodybuilding:
-scale weight
-performance in gym (weight, volume, rest periods, etc)
-pictures, mirror
-tape measure
definitely useless metrics for bodybuilding:
-the exact amount of lean jerky your body could provide to cannibals
-a skewed version of how good you look in ideal lighting (BD’s Avatar, 2013)
-post count, thread read count, stock images, and passive aggressive comments on a forum
-race[/quote]
move race/genetics to ‘not strictly useful but nonetheless important’ category
move scale weight to ‘progressively less useful’ category
The words blacks and whites have been used a lot, not sure if still talking about building muscle (sorry, lean body mass) or starting a race war…
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
There are biological differences in ethnicity. That is what this study was looking at.
[quote]
This is why I COMMEND and COMPLIMENT you for posting this material and not following the politically correct party lines of, “We are all the same,” “We all bleed red”, and “the only difference between us all is skin color”. (My favorite happens to be the last one; as if someone like Whoopy Goldberg would look like a white person if she only acquired fair skin.)
I’m not sure if you wanted to invite me into argue or debate, but it turns out I don’t consider myself an expert and I recognize racial differences, so therefore at least SOME of our beliefs are congruent. [/quote]
That is all fine and well. With that in mind, how can you be so sure of these numbers you keep coming up with? These findings show that it is possible for some people of certain ethnicities to carry significantly more lean body mass. If that is so, I am asking for your method in coming up with your assumed numbers.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This statement was made by Brickhead and I am asking for clarity on how came up with that number.[/quote]
I don’t know what you’re body composition is now, but it’s clearly obvious in a few of your pictures that you are above 20% bodyfat, perhaps in the mid-20’s. [/quote]
I am by no means in the mid-20’s and haven’t held that much body fat in several years now. I was also not “mid-20’s body fat” in this picture[photo]34868[/photo]…yet you still assume only “35lbs of muscle” was gained in several years of training.
How did you arrive at that number?
[quote]
X, what do you estimate how much muscle you’ve gained? Please, try to answer without mentioning for the thousandth time, “there are daily fluctuations,” considering these daily fluctuations are so negligible under NORMAL circumstances they’re not even worth mentioning. [/quote]
I would estimate over 70lbs of muscle considering I was measured at 11% body fat at 150lbs when I started which equals over 130lbs of lean body mass at the start… and even if I were 20% body fat right now, that would add up to a gain over 75-80lbs of lean body mass since starting.
Please explain your method for coming up with your numbers.
Mine simply involves adding and subtracting what is actually there.
[quote]Majin wrote:
Quit misrepresenting every damn point. Nobody here said that the body “is a calculator”, as you love to repeat lately. That doesn’t mean you can’t have educated estimates and guesses that are very close to reality. [/quote]
So claiming only 35lbs of muscle was gained sounds like an educated guess?
Why is it you or anyone else has a problem with me asking a member how he arrived at his “educated guesses”? Can you explain it for him?
[quote]
You don’t like the ones available? Great. Maybe they are totally off. But to determine that, you’d have to finally go lose the blubber and show everyone by surpassing them.[/quote]
Actually, all I would need is a body fat test…because that is real science.
Why are you so upset?
This isn’t about “super black genetics”.
This is about how baseless bro science is being written here by some posters and no one says anything about it.
[quote]red04 wrote:
Is this also the part where we talk about the subjects of the studies, and how until the studies are done on (paraphrasing for the lulz) subjects who are as close as possible to the exact life conditions of bodybuilders at each level of size we choose to discuss, that the studies are meaningless because there are effects of the lifestyle that would fundamentally change any resultant findings?
This thread could be hilarious.[/quote]
Actually, this has nothing to do with “bodybuilders”. Brick mentioned what average weights are when the data seems to be incomplete as most old data in this country was not based on multi-ethnicities. That is why I presented a cadaver study showing the lean body mass actually found on average people of more than one race in majority.
[quote]toddthebod wrote:
If blacks have greater skeletal density, does that mean that at a given body weight, height, and body fat level, they actually have less muscle mass than their white counterpart? [/quote]
It actually means that like the study found, it is more likely that many blacks are seen as “obese” using BMI when they are actually carrying more lean body mass. This study speculated that this can also affect how much muscle someone carries over a life time from carrying more dense bone structures.
Did you read the study at all?
[quote]gregron wrote:
I said no insults and no nonsense so I will overlook your sarcasm and attempts to patronize.
How much muscle do you think/know you have gained?
We know what brick thinks and that you disagree (that’s the whole point of this thread) so what is your number?[/quote]
Why aren’t you concerned with HOW Brick arrived at his number of “35lbs of muscle”?
lol
At least the gifs are entertaining.
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
lol
At least the gifs are entertaining.
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LOL at trying this hard to shout down every thread or post I write here.
I am guessing the goal is to get me to leave the forum?
