[quote]gregron wrote:
If you want to discuss then discuss what is actually written and do not try to put words in my mouth or lie about things that I never said.[/quote]
I’ll have to report you if you continue to claim that you won’t get sucked into this.
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
If you want to discuss then discuss what is actually written and do not try to put words in my mouth or lie about things that I never said.[/quote]
I’ll have to report you if you continue to claim that you won’t get sucked into this.
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Son of a…
To be fair, I feel as though I am not sucked into the water weight LBM discussion. I am not just attempting to clear my good name of these slanderous accusations lol
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
It would seem you only take issue with me personally…and not the content.[/quote]
When the content is the same “discussion” you always propose to have in practically every thread, How can anyone not assume it’s a personal issue? You’re certainly not asking any new questions or opinions of people[/quote]
This wold be false. I have never discussed these studies before until now.
That would mean it is new information being posted.
Actually, most studies are based on old models from the 60’s and 70’s where most competitors are white and the ethnic mix is far from varied. There have been no new pools of data posted by you or anyone else.
[quote]I won’t argue with you though because I see how you twist what everyone says as well as how you handle getting talked ii to a corner.
I will hang around for the memes though, they’re usually pretty entertaining in “your” threads.
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I haven’t twisted anything. I am again asking you what specifically I have written that you disagree with.
[quote]gregron wrote:
I never referenced any studies or scientific data.[/quote]
Then you are only posting your opinion which doesn’t hold here.
This thread deserves a two star rating or less, like the rest of his threads. Wouldn’t want any beginners thinking there is any actual information in here. Well, besides being black meaning that you can build more muscle than all of the natural professional bodybuilders over the past decades.
Either you are on to something or on something. I’m just not sure which one.
Before any one continues to argue, you need to read the whole study…
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/6/1392.full
These studies are full of assumptions. Many of them also ignore socioeconomic status and environmental background.
You could carefully conclude that blacks carry more lean body weight. However, although the difference is considered statistically significant we are really only talking about a few percentage points. Meaning that if a white man can gain 50lbs of muscle over a life time of training under ideal circumstances, a black man could gain 51-52 lbs under the same conditions. Whoop ti do.
This holds true for bone and muscle density as well. We are talking 1-2% here as well.
Blacks are also able to hold more water in the cells, adding to their ‘lean’ body mass.
It’s not like blacks, on average, can gain 10-30% more muscle than whites.
[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:
Before any one continues to argue, you need to read the whole study…
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/71/6/1392.full
These studies are full of assumptions. Many of them also ignore socioeconomic status and environmental background.
You could carefully conclude that blacks carry more lean body weight. However, although the difference is considered statistically significant we are really only talking about a few percentage points. Meaning that if a white man can gain 50lbs of muscle over a life time of training under ideal circumstances, a black man could gain 51-52 lbs under the same conditions. Whoop ti do.
This holds true for bone and muscle density as well. We are talking 1-2% here as well.
Blacks are also able to hold more water in the cells, adding to their ‘lean’ body mass.
It’s not like blacks, on average, can gain 10-30% more muscle than whites. [/quote]
I agree there are assumptions involved…like the statement that added skeletal density could lead to added muscle mass over time just from carrying the extra weight.
However, I also consider that assumption fairly accurate especially if discussing how weight affects the human body overall.
Thanks for actually discussing the study and not discussing me personally.
Also make note I am only approaching this from the angle of someone saying that there are only 35lbs of muscle gained even if you gain over 100lbs of body weight and are under 20% body fat.
This statement was made by Brickhead and I am asking for clarity on how came up with that number.
[quote]TRU76 wrote:
Either you are on to something or on something. I’m just not sure which one.[/quote]
Hey, when it comes to people stating we should talk about “dry muscle mass” in living human beings…this is just more info why that makes no sense.
Once again, this thread was started because of posters discussing the “dry muscle” someone has gained.
Reality is, you can not know this in a living human body. The rest is information for discussion based on posters here making statements like this.
Best day I have had on here was learning that arguing with the good DDS is the equivalent of bashing your head into a brick wall for 3 hours.
You cannot win, even if you are right.
Now get outside and HIGH FIVE A BITCH!
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Best day I have had on here was learning that arguing with the good DDS is the equivalent of bashing your head into a brick wall for 3 hours.
You cannot win, even if you are right.
Now get outside and HIGH FIVE A BITCH![/quote]
Professor, if you would genuinely like to discuss this topic seriously let me know and I will. No insults, just friendly intelligent discussion without the other nonsense. I know you already said you don’t care about posting civily and having actual discussion but I’m asking anyway.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Professor, if you would genuinely like to discuss this topic seriously let me know and I will. No insults, just friendly intelligent discussion without the other nonsense. I know you already said you don’t care about posting civily and having actual discussion but I’m asking anyway.[/quote]
My discussion is already laid out. You are more than welcome to join in. Thank you for deciding to jump in seriously now.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]gregron wrote:
Professor, if you would genuinely like to discuss this topic seriously let me know and I will. No insults, just friendly intelligent discussion without the other nonsense. I know you already said you don’t care about posting civily and having actual discussion but I’m asking anyway.[/quote]
My discussion is already laid out. You are more than welcome to join in. Thank you for deciding to jump in seriously now.
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I said no insults and no nonsense so I will overlook your sarcasm and attempts to patronize.
How much muscle do you think/know you have gained?
We know what brick thinks and that you disagree (that’s the whole point of this thread) so what is your number?
I wonder if TC will comment on this thread, too.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
I wonder if TC will comment on this thread, too. [/quote
I think he has better things to do like sort his socks or watch paint dry.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This really makes me wonder when allegedly trained professionals on this board claim they can fit all people to one standard by looking at them.
I do wonder if I could get the expertise of Brickhead on this topic…seeing as he professes to be an expert…[/quote]
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Apparently you don’t follow all my posts. It’s not that I would expect you too, but I’ve literally said over and over, "I DON’T CONSIDER MYSELF AN EXPERT IN ANYTHING.
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Apparently you don’t follow all my posts. It’s not that I would expect you too, but I’ve literally said over and over, “RACE IS MORE THAN SKIN COLOR” and there are biological differences. Apparently you missed my posts in one of these ongoing threads in which I discussed the difference in size of the sub-races of the White race–Nordics, Alpines, and Mediterraneans–and that there are indeed physiological differences between blacks and whites. Actually, if I recall correctly, and if what I read is true, there are THREE HUNDRED anatomical, physiological, and cognitive differences between blacks and whites. There are differences in skull shape and thickness, the skeleton, brain formation, sweat glands, musculature, spatial awareness, facial features, eyes, skin composition, and so on! I see one of these shows that there are difference in limb length. It’s actually why blacks excel in boxing; on average they have thicker skulls and longer limbs, two advantageous qualities for contact sports.
This is why I COMMEND and COMPLIMENT you for posting this material and not following the politically correct party lines of, “We are all the same,” “We all bleed red”, and “the only difference between us all is skin color”. (My favorite happens to be the last one; as if someone like Whoopy Goldberg would look like a white person if she only acquired fair skin.)
I’m not sure if you wanted to invite me into argue or debate, but it turns out I don’t consider myself an expert and I recognize racial differences, so therefore at least SOME of our beliefs are congruent.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
This statement was made by Brickhead and I am asking for clarity on how came up with that number.[/quote]
I don’t know what you’re body composition is now, but it’s clearly obvious in a few of your pictures that you are above 20% bodyfat, perhaps in the mid-20’s.
X, what do you estimate how much muscle you’ve gained? Please, try to answer without mentioning for the thousandth time, “there are daily fluctuations,” considering these daily fluctuations are so negligible under NORMAL circumstances they’re not even worth mentioning.
If blacks have greater skeletal density, does that mean that at a given body weight, height, and body fat level, they actually have less muscle mass than their white counterpart?