It’s hard to put a number on, but you know it when you see it.
Then again, I know a couple of guys at 6’6" and 6’7" and about 280-300 who look somewhat lanky from a distance. Up close you notice that their arms are about the size of a normal leg.
I guess I need to lose 4inches of height (and 10 inches from my waist!) Ha ha
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
Ah, if bodybuilding is the case, then that’s true. In any case, I was just providing a different point of view.[/quote]
Were you talking about comparing yourself/whoever to ordinary people or weight training individuals? Almost any guy who has spent 1-3 years training and eating somewhat well would be large to a sedentary person. That same guy(intermediate guy) is probably middle of the pack in his gym. When myself and I think many other people on this site think “That guy is big” it isn’t comparing him to Jimmy the 130 lb stock boy at the grocery store, it’s comparing him to other bodybuilders in roughly his same peer group.
People can call guys like David Henry small because he has to stand next to guys that have 30-50 lbs of muscle on them. Compared to the average 5’4 person walking the street David is a giant.
[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Yeah, I’m not a big fan of those greek ideal mearsurements either. The problem with those are, you actually need to have an ideal bone structure for them to look like they should.
Frank Zane looked awesome at 185-191 lbs, and is considered by many to have had the “most aesthetic” physique of any Olympia contender. But, unless you’ve got Zane’s bone structure, you’re probably not going to look nearly as impressive at 185 lbs.
On the other hand, anyone, regardless of bone structure, is going to have an impressive musculature if they reach the 3.5-4+ lbs/inch mark.[/quote]
Lucky me, I have Zane’s bone structure (based on wrist and ankle measurements). Always thought his legs looked small and he could use a bit more thickness in chest/back. Add that in and you get close to the 3 lbs/inch mark.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
Ah, if bodybuilding is the case, then that’s true. In any case, I was just providing a different point of view.
Why wouldn’t it be the case? What is the deal with some of you trying so hard to NOT see this as a bodybuilding website? This isn’t even the first time you’ve done this. We can’t even escape you jackasses in the BODYBUILDING forum of this BODYBUILDING WEBSITE.[/quote]
And why are you making such a big deal about a different point of view? Does EVERYTHING in the BODYBUILDING FORUM have to be in the CONTEXT of BODYBUILDING? Is the NO more room for some food for thought? Should we all just SHUT UP if anything we have to say has NOTHING to do with BODYBUILDING?
If the answers to ALL of these are a RESOUNDING YES, then I must have jointed this website for the wrong reasons.
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
Professor X wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
Ah, if bodybuilding is the case, then that’s true. In any case, I was just providing a different point of view.
Why wouldn’t it be the case? What is the deal with some of you trying so hard to NOT see this as a bodybuilding website? This isn’t even the first time you’ve done this. We can’t even escape you jackasses in the BODYBUILDING forum of this BODYBUILDING WEBSITE.
And why are you making such a big deal about a different point of view? Does EVERYTHING in the BODYBUILDING FORUM have to be about BODYBUILDING?[/quote]
yes.
[quote]eeu743 wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
Professor X wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
Ah, if bodybuilding is the case, then that’s true. In any case, I was just providing a different point of view.
Why wouldn’t it be the case? What is the deal with some of you trying so hard to NOT see this as a bodybuilding website? This isn’t even the first time you’ve done this. We can’t even escape you jackasses in the BODYBUILDING forum of this BODYBUILDING WEBSITE.
And why are you making such a big deal about a different point of view? Does EVERYTHING in the BODYBUILDING FORUM have to be about BODYBUILDING?
yes.[/quote]
Then I guess I’m just wasting my time here. Adieu.
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
Professor X wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
Ah, if bodybuilding is the case, then that’s true. In any case, I was just providing a different point of view.
Why wouldn’t it be the case? What is the deal with some of you trying so hard to NOT see this as a bodybuilding website? This isn’t even the first time you’ve done this. We can’t even escape you jackasses in the BODYBUILDING forum of this BODYBUILDING WEBSITE.
And why are you making such a big deal about a different point of view? Does EVERYTHING in the BODYBUILDING FORUM have to be in the CONTEXT of BODYBUILDING? Is the NO more room for some food for thought? Should we all just SHUT UP if anything we have to say has NOTHING to do with BODYBUILDING?
If the answers to ALL of these are a RESOUNDING YES, then I must have jointed this website for the wrong reasons.[/quote]
Maybe you did. Why the fuck did you join this site? How much progress have you made?
I generally stay out of the strength forum unless I see a specific thread topic that I can relate to. Other than that, you won’t see me jumping into too many of their threads because I am not into powerlifting even though I also train for strength just as well as size.
You, on the other hand, jump into a thread about what “big” is and, for some strange reason, don’t understand why, in a bodybuilding forum, the topic is related…now get this…to bodybuilding.
You have given no food for thought. You simply showed that we can’t even remain on topic because people like you want to change the direction of every thread to include YOU for some reason even though you apparently aren’t into bodybuilding.
No one cares that there are people on this board who want to avoid making much physical progress. No one really cares about your functionality. No one cares that you think everyone is big as long as they are standing next to someone smaller.
You have given no epiphanies and brought no deeper context to this topic. You are simply showing us that you exist and that you want to be seen as relevant no matter the topic.
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
eeu743 wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
Professor X wrote:
undeadlift wrote:
Ah, if bodybuilding is the case, then that’s true. In any case, I was just providing a different point of view.
Why wouldn’t it be the case? What is the deal with some of you trying so hard to NOT see this as a bodybuilding website? This isn’t even the first time you’ve done this. We can’t even escape you jackasses in the BODYBUILDING forum of this BODYBUILDING WEBSITE.
And why are you making such a big deal about a different point of view? Does EVERYTHING in the BODYBUILDING FORUM have to be about BODYBUILDING?
yes.
Then I guess I’m just wasting my time here. Adieu.[/quote]
Seriously…it’s a bodybuilding forum.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Maybe you did. Why the fuck did you join this site? How much progress have you made?
I generally stay out of the strength forum unless I see a specific thread topic that I can relate to. Other than that, you won’t see me jumping into too many of their threads because I am not into powerlifting even though I also train for strength just as well as size.
You, on the other hand, jump into a thread about what “big” is and, for some strange reason, don’t understand why, in a bodybuilding forum, the topic is related…now get this…to bodybuilding.
You have given no food for thought. You simply showed that we can’t even remain on topic because people like you want to change the direction of every thread to include YOU for some reason even though you apparently aren’t into bodybuilding.
No one cares that there are people on this board who want to avoid making much physical progress. No one really cares about your functionality. No one cares that you think everyone is big as long as they are standing next to someone smaller.
You have given no epiphanies and brought no deeper context to this topic. You are simply showing us that you exist and that you want to be seen as relevant no matter the topic.[/quote]
You know what? You’re right. I just wasted precious forum space, thinking that bodybuilders still value what they look like to the rest of society who think that people who are “too big” are freaks. From now on, I’ll say everything within the context of bodybuilding.
I’ve made absolutely no progress since I joined this bodybuilding website. I look exactly as I did a year ago even though I gained a lot of strength. I guess that makes me pathetic and useless.
I guess that means I’m don’t deserve to be here. Nice knowing you all.
[quote]undeadlift wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Maybe you did. Why the fuck did you join this site? How much progress have you made?
I generally stay out of the strength forum unless I see a specific thread topic that I can relate to. Other than that, you won’t see me jumping into too many of their threads because I am not into powerlifting even though I also train for strength just as well as size.
You, on the other hand, jump into a thread about what “big” is and, for some strange reason, don’t understand why, in a bodybuilding forum, the topic is related…now get this…to bodybuilding.
You have given no food for thought. You simply showed that we can’t even remain on topic because people like you want to change the direction of every thread to include YOU for some reason even though you apparently aren’t into bodybuilding.
No one cares that there are people on this board who want to avoid making much physical progress. No one really cares about your functionality. No one cares that you think everyone is big as long as they are standing next to someone smaller.
You have given no epiphanies and brought no deeper context to this topic. You are simply showing us that you exist and that you want to be seen as relevant no matter the topic.
You know what? You’re right. I just wasted precious forum space, thinking that bodybuilders still value what they look like to the rest of society who think that people who are “too big” are freaks. From now on, I’ll say everything within the context of bodybuilding.
I’ve made absolutely no progress since I joined this bodybuilding website. I look exactly as I did a year ago even though I gained a lot of strength. I guess that makes me pathetic and useless.
I guess that means I’m don’t deserve to be here. Nice knowing you all.[/quote]
I was gonna give some advice that has something to do with powerlifting, but after reading this, I’m afraid I might suffer the same fate. I’ll be staying out of the bodybuilding threads.
[quote]2274 wrote:
I was gonna give some advice that has something to do with powerlifting, but after reading this, I’m afraid I might suffer the same fate. I’ll be staying out of the bodybuilding threads.[/quote]
So long as you have common sense I wouldn’t worry about it. Like the professor said, if you can relate to the topic it’s different. Many powerlifters want to be big, and I’m sure they have their own ideas about being big that would add to this discussion. However, I doubt those ideas are ‘instead of looking globally at your sport look at every non-training stockboy around you’ or anything along those lines.
Well, I was gonna say: “From a strength enthusiast’s point of view, big enough is being able to lift the weight you want. If you can lift a lot, chances are you’re big regardless of your measurements.” As for the “not looking globally and looking at the non-trainers” mentality, I think it is a very limiting way of thinking.
It makes people fail to realize their true potential especially if you really want to be big and strong. However, I can relate to what undeadlift is saying. I lived in countries where my size is not culturally acceptable. I know what it’s like to be treated like freak. It’s wierd, but in some societies, there’s a size limit to being socially acceptable. Some bodybuilding aspirants in such societies have to deal with that.
[quote]2274 wrote:
Well, I was gonna say: “From a strength enthusiast’s point of view, big enough is being able to lift the weight you want. If you can lift a lot, chances are you’re big regardless of your measurements.”[/quote]
No one would argue with that…if they had any sense.
“Socially acceptable” may involve me only weighing 140lbs and wearing nothing but Dockers and poor fitting dress shirts given what I do for a living. If my goal was full public acceptance, I would have quit lifting weights…hell, there would have been no need to start.
Bodybuilding has NEVER been about conforming to what the general public thinks is “developed”. The general public thinks anyone who has the slightest muscle visible (Like Tom Cruise) is “built”. I passed that up a long time ago.
ALL bodybuilding aspirants will have to deal with that on some level once they begin to stand out from the crowd.
Since when do we base our goals on what the general public thinks is safe and non-threatening?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
2274 wrote:
Well, I was gonna say: “From a strength enthusiast’s point of view, big enough is being able to lift the weight you want. If you can lift a lot, chances are you’re big regardless of your measurements.”
No one would argue with that…if they had any sense.
As for the “not looking globally and looking at the non-trainers” mentality, I think it is a very limiting way of thinking. It makes people fail to realize their true potential especially if you really want to be big and strong. However, I can relate to what undeadlift is saying. I lived in countries where my size is not culturally acceptable. I know what it’s like to be treated like freak. It’s wierd, but in some societies, there’s a size limit to being socially acceptable. Some bodybuilding aspirants in such societies have to deal with that.
“Socially acceptable” may involve me only weighing 140lbs and wearing nothing but Dockers and poor fitting dress shirts given what I do for a living. If my goal was full public acceptance, I would have quit lifting weights…hell, there would have been no need to start.
Bodybuilding has NEVER been about conforming to what the general public thinks is “developed”. The general public thinks anyone who has the slightest muscle visible (Like Tom Cruise) is “built”. I passed that up a long time ago.
ALL bodybuilding aspirants will have to deal with that on some level once they begin to stand out from the crowd.
Since when do we base our goals on what the general public thinks is safe and non-threatening?[/quote]
I am surprised you find time to lift in between all the time you spending posting on this forum ^^
[quote]Jhuczko wrote:
I am surprised you find time to lift in between all the time you spending posting on this forum ^[1]
Let’s break down how stupid your post is.
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It’s a Sunday
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I’ve posted 3 times today over an 8-9 hour span (this post being the third) yet you think this means I don’t have time to lift?
This post here took all of 25 seconds. Yeah, I just have no time at all, huh?
Question, how did you find time to write your post or even read this thread?
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
2274 wrote:
Well, I was gonna say: “From a strength enthusiast’s point of view, big enough is being able to lift the weight you want. If you can lift a lot, chances are you’re big regardless of your measurements.”
No one would argue with that…if they had any sense.
As for the “not looking globally and looking at the non-trainers” mentality, I think it is a very limiting way of thinking. It makes people fail to realize their true potential especially if you really want to be big and strong. However, I can relate to what undeadlift is saying. I lived in countries where my size is not culturally acceptable. I know what it’s like to be treated like freak. It’s wierd, but in some societies, there’s a size limit to being socially acceptable. Some bodybuilding aspirants in such societies have to deal with that.
“Socially acceptable” may involve me only weighing 140lbs and wearing nothing but Dockers and poor fitting dress shirts given what I do for a living. If my goal was full public acceptance, I would have quit lifting weights…hell, there would have been no need to start.
Bodybuilding has NEVER been about conforming to what the general public thinks is “developed”. The general public thinks anyone who has the slightest muscle visible (Like Tom Cruise) is “built”. I passed that up a long time ago.
ALL bodybuilding aspirants will have to deal with that on some level once they begin to stand out from the crowd.
Since when do we base our goals on what the general public thinks is safe and non-threatening?[/quote]
I always thought that bodybuilding was about being aesthetically pleasing, not necessarily big. The “aesthetically pleasing” part may have come from the “socially acceptable” view of the perfect human body. Bodybuilding today is a lot different from what it was before. I think the view of the general public has a huge impact on what people’s size goals are even on a subconscious level.
If people aren’t freaked by the size of Jay Cutler, I think most of the people in this bodybuilding forum would be training to be as huge as possible. Of course, I’m assuming that the size goals of people here range from Dorian Yates to Frank Zane. I could be wrong. On a side note, I think Zane’s physique is a good compromise between social acceptability and bodybuilding accomplishment. Just a strength enthusiast’s humble opinion on bodybuilding.
[quote]2274 wrote:
I always thought that bodybuilding was about being aesthetically pleasing, not necessarily big. The “aesthetically pleasing” part may have come from the “socially acceptable” view of the perfect human body. Bodybuilding today is a lot different from what it was before. I think the view of the general public has a huge impact on what people’s size goals are even on a subconscious level.[/quote]
When has bodybuilding EVER been socially acceptable? When Arnold was competing, he was seen as a freak. The same goes for Frank Zane. Granted, the general public didn’t automatically think “evil steroids” back then when seeing them, but they were seen as oddities, not “socially acceptable”. The goal was to become “aesthetically pleasing” to those who actually follow bodybuilding to some degree, not simply become runway models so that they fit in well with every grandmother in the Bible Belt. The difference between then and now is the spread of info and how society responds to “hot topic” media reports.
[quote]
If people aren’t freaked by the size of Jay Cutler, I think most of the people in this bodybuilding forum would be training to be as huge as possible. Of course, I’m assuming that the size goals of people here range from Dorian Yates to Frank Zane. I could be wrong. On a side note, I think Zane’s physique is a good compromise between social acceptability and bodybuilding accomplishment. Just a strength enthusiast’s humble opinion on bodybuilding.[/quote]
You are definitely wrong. You are also making the same mistake many others do who don’t follow bodybuilding at all. You assume the goal is Ronnie Coleman. You don’t follow NPC bodybuilding and you don’t even notice that there are a lot of goals that fall into place long before they reach 300lbs. I don’t have a desire to look like Ronnie Coleman OR Jay Cutler.
hah Prof X’s avatar seems to perfectly reflect his feelings in every post
[quote]HotCarl28 wrote:
hah Prof X’s avatar seems to perfectly reflect his feelings in every post[/quote]
not his fault that people post things that prove this statement correct