Damn, I wonder what the time frame is in the first video of him between looking sloppy as hell and then massive/lean.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Damn, I wonder what the time frame is in the first video of him between looking sloppy as hell and then massive/lean.[/quote]
Don’t know what the time frame is, but I don’t think it’s fair to say “sloppy as hell”. Just checked his stats-- He competed 5’8", 198 and he’s now over 40 years old (a few years older than myself). Don’t know his current weight.
Seeing this picture of him just inspired the shit outta me, especially given his age.
I’m about the same height and my last progress pic isn’t too far removed from this* — NO, I’m not saying I’m holding as much muscle as Dave in this pic, just saying that given his frame and size I can see the direction is on track and that looking a bit smooth (non-competition obviously) isn’t the SIN many people around here make it out to be.
This video just justified to me that I’m on the right track for my size/strength goals. Might not work for anyone else, but it sure as shit is working for me.
PX: I don’t know if I’m quite training at his level, but I’m sure as Hell trying. I ended this year on 5 highs for me: Heaviest bench, Heaviest squat, heaviest rows, biggest arm, heaviest weight of my entire life. I could not have achieved that on much less food than I’m consuming now (IMO). The progress curve is not leveling off, and barring injury, I don’t see it happening.
- edit: to be clear, I’m carrying more fat than in this picture of Dave for sure.
[quote]celtics2022 wrote:
Biggest roid gut I’ve ever seen LMAO. How disgusting.[/quote]
Shut the fuck up.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, I am more than sure some newbie is going to read this thread and start only eating those foods for abs yet wondering years later why they have so little muscle on their frame.
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This should have a “WARNING” label directed to newbs.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Damn, I wonder what the time frame is in the first video of him between looking sloppy as hell and then massive/lean.[/quote]
Don’t know what the time frame is, but I don’t think it’s fair to say “sloppy as hell”. Just checked his stats-- He competed 5’8", 198 and he’s now over 40 years old (a few years older than myself). Don’t know his current weight.
Seeing this picture of him just inspired the shit outta me, especially given his age.
I’m about the same height and my last progress pic isn’t too far removed from this* — NO, I’m not saying I’m holding as much muscle as Dave in this pic, just saying that given his frame and size I can see the direction is on track and that looking a bit smooth (non-competition obviously) isn’t the SIN many people around here make it out to be.
This video just justified to me that I’m on the right track for my size/strength goals. Might not work for anyone else, but it sure as shit is working for me.
PX: I don’t know if I’m quite training at his level, but I’m sure as Hell trying. I ended this year on 5 highs for me: Heaviest bench, Heaviest squat, heaviest rows, biggest arm, heaviest weight of my entire life. I could not have achieved that on much less food than I’m consuming now (IMO). The progress curve is not leveling off, and barring injury, I don’t see it happening.
- edit: to be clear, I’m carrying more fat than in this picture of Dave for sure.[/quote]
There really is a problem with perception when this condition is considered fat and sloppy. His abs are visible. He just isn’t ripped. Most people sure as hell won’t gain much muscle while maintaining a body fat percentage even leaner than that. He is in great shape for an off season to say the least. I am surprised he competed as a super heavy because he doesn’t seem to be carrying that much muscle…especially in his shoulders.
I would do that chick, those leg press reps were pretty worthless though…
A guy I know from my gym scores the music for this series. He also did Vickie Nixon’s documentary and is currently working on the Kai Greene DVD.
Mike Pulcinella is really cool. I like what he does. Dave is a massive man.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Damn, I wonder what the time frame is in the first video of him between looking sloppy as hell and then massive/lean.[/quote]
Don’t know what the time frame is, but I don’t think it’s fair to say “sloppy as hell”. Just checked his stats-- He competed 5’8", 198 and he’s now over 40 years old (a few years older than myself). Don’t know his current weight.
Seeing this picture of him just inspired the shit outta me, especially given his age.
I’m about the same height and my last progress pic isn’t too far removed from this* — NO, I’m not saying I’m holding as much muscle as Dave in this pic, just saying that given his frame and size I can see the direction is on track and that looking a bit smooth (non-competition obviously) isn’t the SIN many people around here make it out to be.
This video just justified to me that I’m on the right track for my size/strength goals. Might not work for anyone else, but it sure as shit is working for me.
PX: I don’t know if I’m quite training at his level, but I’m sure as Hell trying. I ended this year on 5 highs for me: Heaviest bench, Heaviest squat, heaviest rows, biggest arm, heaviest weight of my entire life. I could not have achieved that on much less food than I’m consuming now (IMO). The progress curve is not leveling off, and barring injury, I don’t see it happening.
- edit: to be clear, I’m carrying more fat than in this picture of Dave for sure.[/quote]
He’s an inspiration to me for the same reasons.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Damn, I wonder what the time frame is in the first video of him between looking sloppy as hell and then massive/lean.[/quote]
Don’t know what the time frame is, but I don’t think it’s fair to say “sloppy as hell”. Just checked his stats-- He competed 5’8", 198 and he’s now over 40 years old (a few years older than myself). Don’t know his current weight.
Seeing this picture of him just inspired the shit outta me, especially given his age.
I’m about the same height and my last progress pic isn’t too far removed from this* — NO, I’m not saying I’m holding as much muscle as Dave in this pic, just saying that given his frame and size I can see the direction is on track and that looking a bit smooth (non-competition obviously) isn’t the SIN many people around here make it out to be.
This video just justified to me that I’m on the right track for my size/strength goals. Might not work for anyone else, but it sure as shit is working for me.
PX: I don’t know if I’m quite training at his level, but I’m sure as Hell trying. I ended this year on 5 highs for me: Heaviest bench, Heaviest squat, heaviest rows, biggest arm, heaviest weight of my entire life. I could not have achieved that on much less food than I’m consuming now (IMO). The progress curve is not leveling off, and barring injury, I don’t see it happening.
- edit: to be clear, I’m carrying more fat than in this picture of Dave for sure.[/quote]
There really is a problem with perception when this condition is considered fat and sloppy. His abs are visible. He just isn’t ripped. Most people sure as hell won’t gain much muscle while maintaining a body fat percentage even leaner than that.
He is in great shape for an off season to say the least. I am surprised he competed as a super heavy because he doesn’t seem to be carrying that much muscle…especially in his shoulders.[/quote]
I consider that sloppy as hell because he his arms are just straight lines. There is no capping of the delt, no noticeable triceps or brachialis development to give the arm a 3D look from the front and he doesn’t even appear to have traps. He just doesn’t look muscular at all in that pic. It’s just a huge difference from the ones shown later in the video, that is definitely not just an “off season” pic.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Damn, I wonder what the time frame is in the first video of him between looking sloppy as hell and then massive/lean.[/quote]
Don’t know what the time frame is, but I don’t think it’s fair to say “sloppy as hell”. Just checked his stats-- He competed 5’8", 198 and he’s now over 40 years old (a few years older than myself). Don’t know his current weight.
Seeing this picture of him just inspired the shit outta me, especially given his age.
I’m about the same height and my last progress pic isn’t too far removed from this* — NO, I’m not saying I’m holding as much muscle as Dave in this pic, just saying that given his frame and size I can see the direction is on track and that looking a bit smooth (non-competition obviously) isn’t the SIN many people around here make it out to be.
This video just justified to me that I’m on the right track for my size/strength goals. Might not work for anyone else, but it sure as shit is working for me.
PX: I don’t know if I’m quite training at his level, but I’m sure as Hell trying. I ended this year on 5 highs for me: Heaviest bench, Heaviest squat, heaviest rows, biggest arm, heaviest weight of my entire life. I could not have achieved that on much less food than I’m consuming now (IMO). The progress curve is not leveling off, and barring injury, I don’t see it happening.
- edit: to be clear, I’m carrying more fat than in this picture of Dave for sure.[/quote]
There really is a problem with perception when this condition is considered fat and sloppy. His abs are visible. He just isn’t ripped. Most people sure as hell won’t gain much muscle while maintaining a body fat percentage even leaner than that. He is in great shape for an off season to say the least. I am surprised he competed as a super heavy because he doesn’t seem to be carrying that much muscle…especially in his shoulders.[/quote]
I consider that sloppy as hell because he his arms are just straight lines. There is no capping of the delt, no noticeable triceps or brachialis development to give the arm a 3D look from the front and he doesn’t even appear to have traps. He just doesn’t look muscular at all in that pic. It’s just a huge difference from the ones shown later in the video, that is definitely not just an “off season” pic.[/quote]
Dude, he doesn’t have very big arms or big shoulders even in contest shape. He just doesn’t have the genetics for it. His arms look impressive because of the level of leanness and his genetic gift for vascularity, not because they are as big as Coleman’s or even Phil Heath.
I understand what you are trying to say, but one reason his abdomen is so prominent is because he isn’t exactly a Markus Rhul type of mass monster with a chest 10 inches deep to his sternum. His shoulders just aren’t impressive.
He is one of those guys who can win primarily because of conditioning.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Damn, I wonder what the time frame is in the first video of him between looking sloppy as hell and then massive/lean.[/quote]
Don’t know what the time frame is, but I don’t think it’s fair to say “sloppy as hell”. Just checked his stats-- He competed 5’8", 198 and he’s now over 40 years old (a few years older than myself). Don’t know his current weight.
Seeing this picture of him just inspired the shit outta me, especially given his age.
I’m about the same height and my last progress pic isn’t too far removed from this* — NO, I’m not saying I’m holding as much muscle as Dave in this pic, just saying that given his frame and size I can see the direction is on track and that looking a bit smooth (non-competition obviously) isn’t the SIN many people around here make it out to be.
This video just justified to me that I’m on the right track for my size/strength goals. Might not work for anyone else, but it sure as shit is working for me.
PX: I don’t know if I’m quite training at his level, but I’m sure as Hell trying. I ended this year on 5 highs for me: Heaviest bench, Heaviest squat, heaviest rows, biggest arm, heaviest weight of my entire life. I could not have achieved that on much less food than I’m consuming now (IMO). The progress curve is not leveling off, and barring injury, I don’t see it happening.
- edit: to be clear, I’m carrying more fat than in this picture of Dave for sure.[/quote]
There really is a problem with perception when this condition is considered fat and sloppy. His abs are visible. He just isn’t ripped. Most people sure as hell won’t gain much muscle while maintaining a body fat percentage even leaner than that. He is in great shape for an off season to say the least. I am surprised he competed as a super heavy because he doesn’t seem to be carrying that much muscle…especially in his shoulders.[/quote]
I consider that sloppy as hell because he his arms are just straight lines. There is no capping of the delt, no noticeable triceps or brachialis development to give the arm a 3D look from the front and he doesn’t even appear to have traps. He just doesn’t look muscular at all in that pic. It’s just a huge difference from the ones shown later in the video, that is definitely not just an “off season” pic.[/quote]
Dude, he doesn’t have very big arms or big shoulders even in contest shape. He just doesn’t have the genetics for it. His arms look impressive because of the level of leanness and his genetic gift for vascularity, not because they are as big as Coleman’s or even Phil Heath.
I understand what you are trying to say, but one reason his abdomen is so prominent is because he isn’t exactly a Markus Rhul type of mass monster with a chest 10 inches deep to his sternum. His shoulders just aren’t impressive.
He is one of those guys who can win primarily because of conditioning.[/quote]
Seriously. If I was just shown that one picture and didn’t know his background, I would never believe that he is a high caliber body builder. He looks atrocious in the photo, almost as if something is wrong with his shoulders.
Do you guys think your metabolism slows down significantly as you age? Like im 18 and wondering how bad its going to get, considering my mother told me my uncle really started bulking up (not in muscle terminology- just mass) when me got into his 20s.
Like I’m living with my parents and I get this shit from them whenever I eat more than 3 eggs or eat meat more than twice a day. Thats why I eat lots of bread and whatever (ya know raiding the pantry). Luckily im still lean. I have a bad feeling its going to change though…=(
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Do you guys think your metabolism slows down significantly as you age? Like im 18 and wondering how bad its going to get, considering my mother told me my uncle really started bulking up (not in muscle terminology- just mass) when me got into his 20s.
Like I’m living with my parents and I get this shit from them whenever I eat more than 3 eggs or eat meat more than twice a day. Thats why I eat lots of bread and whatever (ya know raiding the pantry). Luckily im still lean. I have a bad feeling its going to change though…=([/quote]
Metabolism generally slows down with age, but I would guess there were other factors involved in your uncle “bulking up” as opposed to just a slower metabolism (though it does make for a convenient excuse…). People in their early 20’s usually don’t have too much of a problem keeping weight off, provided they are not idiots.
Gaining muscle will help keep your metabolism going as you age, though.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
Do you guys think your metabolism slows down significantly as you age? Like im 18 and wondering how bad its going to get, considering my mother told me my uncle really started bulking up (not in muscle terminology- just mass) when me got into his 20s.
Like I’m living with my parents and I get this shit from them whenever I eat more than 3 eggs or eat meat more than twice a day. Thats why I eat lots of bread and whatever (ya know raiding the pantry). Luckily im still lean. I have a bad feeling its going to change though…=([/quote]
It does get harder to stay leaner as you get older, simple facts of life, but worrying doesn’t actively solve anything. Your 18, and it’s way to early to start thinking about that. Eat well, bust your ass when your in the gym, and enjoy every hour that you get with family and friends.
Adding more cardio as you get older will help you stay lean, but maintaining a healthy diet is key.
In the 1st video it shows his leg all black and blue. What is that from?
look at them grinding out the reps
As for his “sloppy” photo. I guarantee if he hit a pose in that condition it would be a totally different pic.
Granted, the “sloppy” pic isn’t him in his greatest shape, but if he were to pose flexing I’d bet that same “sloppy” condition would get different remarks
[quote]TattoosNLifting wrote:
In the 1st video it shows his leg all black and blue. What is that from?[/quote]
Probably a muscle tear!
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
As for his “sloppy” photo. I guarantee if he hit a pose in that condition it would be a totally different pic.
Granted, the “sloppy” pic isn’t him in his greatest shape, but if he were to pose flexing I’d bet that same “sloppy” condition would get different remarks[/quote]
Yeah, but guys in this for years should already know this. It is like they still get fooled by lighting and posing as if they can’t tell how muscular someone is unless they are dieted down to 5% body fat, oiled up and flexing.
He looks to be carrying about the same level of muscle mass in both conditions. They can simply see his muscles better when leaner.
They do the same thing to members here as if being “15% body fat” means you don’t work out…in spite of weighing damn near 280+ or bench pressing 500lbs.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
As for his “sloppy” photo. I guarantee if he hit a pose in that condition it would be a totally different pic.
Granted, the “sloppy” pic isn’t him in his greatest shape, but if he were to pose flexing I’d bet that same “sloppy” condition would get different remarks[/quote]
This is a good point. Here are some more screen stills from the vid.