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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
In a lunge, the trainee’s weight travels forwards…they quite literally lunge forwards. In a split squat, the trainee’s weight travels down, which is facilitated by the elevation of the rear foot. These differences in eccentric action are what differentiate the movements from each other.

It’s fallacious to assume that all lunges need be “walking lunges”, though this may be the conventional definition of the exercise.

For my part, I consider walking lunges to be a poor exercise for developing muscle. A person can’t achieve sufficient TUT when taking a minor rest between each set of an exercise. That’s why I never do or recommend walking lunges, only static variations of the exercise.

There is always some degree of horizontal movement of the knee, even if one makes an effort to sink straight down. The only way of preventing this and keeping the lower leg perpendicular to the ground would be to compensate with an excessive degree of forward trunk lean, in which case the individual would be performing neither a squat nor a lunge but a good morning (or forward lean).

Different types of squats also exhibit different degrees of horizontal and vertical movement, but we don’t call them “two legged lunges” when the knees travel far forward horizontally.

Both the lunge and squat involve hip and knee flexion with ankle dorsiflexion on the descent phase. The differentiating aspect between them is that squats are a bilateral exercise, while lunges are unilateral.

There’s no such thing as a “unilateral squat”, per se.
A lunge is a unilateral squat and must be referred to as such.

I hope this is clear now.

The proper form for describing an exercise is to identify the basic, fundamental movement which is being executed and following that, any physical modifications which have been made as well as the type of resistance employed (when deemed necessary).

Hence, “Static Lunge with rear-leg elevated” or “Static DB Lunge with rear-leg elevated”.

Sorry, there’s just no such thing as a Bulgarian Split Squat.

Names matter. Precision of language is precision of thought, and one of the highest virtues.[/quote]

If Joe Defranco says it a single leg squat its a single leg squat.

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Deadlift… non-existent at Golds, Anytime Fitness, or Workout Anytime in the Atlanta area. I guess I’m the exception that proves the rule?

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[quote]forlife wrote:
Nominal Prospect wrote:
The point I’m trying to make is that naming conventions matter to people who take their work seriously. Presumably, Mike Boyle is one such person. And so am I.

The point I’m trying to make is that Mike Boyle directly contradicts what you’re saying. You are calling it a lunge, and Mike Boyle specifically says, “…despite the fact it didn’t originate in Bulgaria and isn’t a lunge”.

A lunge requires lateral movement forward, or back. Squats require vertical movement. The Bulgarian Split Squat is called a squat because it only involves vertical movement.

If you have trouble seeing it, I can call in a five year old to provide expert testimony.

I normally couldn’t care less what people call it, but you’re incorrectly calling the guy out, and deserve to be called out in turn.[/quote]

There is no significant lateral (sideways) movement taking place in a lunge unless the exercise is performed incorrectly and the person doing it has some sort of weakness or compensation pattern. I hope you’re not using the term “lateral” to describe front and back movement in 2 dimensions, as in a picture.

The squat and the lunge both involve vertical AND horizontal movement.
All you have to do is look at the knees. Are you going to sit here and tell me that a person’s knees don’t travel forward in a deep squat, just as they do in a lunge?

Static lunges do NOT only involve vertical movement. Here, I made it easy for you.

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as for my gym i’d say hack/zercher squats - unfortunately i’m the only one doing front squats and REAL (in terms of dpeth) squats.

DL isn’t a very popular exercise either here :confused: - although, in comparison to other gyms in my area, most people in my gym train pretty “good”…

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I have read them called bss plenty, you have as well or you wouldnt have known another name by which they could be identified.

If you werent such a pedantic shit maybe someone would love you and you wouldnt feel the need to convince yourself you are smart by derailing otherwise good natured threads on a messageboard.

Now go on and tell me how smart you are, I know you are dying to…

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why do you people resond to this, it only ends up in a complete train wreck. half a thread devoted to arguing over the name of an excercise.

sad.

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In my school gym…

Any kind of squat, lunge or deadlift
Good mornings
BB rows
Calf raises
Full ROM reps

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Wait, I’m still confused… Are they lunges or squats? Please continue on the topic.

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[quote]Nominal Prospect wrote:
Static lunges do NOT only involve vertical movement. Here, I made it easy for you.[/quote]

You misquoted an expert, who specifically contradicted what you said. You said it was a lunge, Boyle said it was not a lunge. The only reason I even mentioned it was because you were being a tool, lecturing others on their semantics. Admit it or not, it’s not worth discussing further.

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[quote]HerbertNL wrote:
Wait, I’m still confused… Are they lunges or squats? Please continue on the topic. [/quote]

I’m like…so confused too. I want to read more back and forth useless arguments between people who have obvious insecurity issues. I bet if I call them lunges they work my hammies while if I call them squats they’ll work the quads.

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Most of the gyms I go to are full of t-shirt light bulb type lifters, that is - no one does squats or deadlifts. At least when I’m at the gym lifting.

No good mornings, unilateral leg work, standing barbell shoulder press, power cleans, KB work, bands, etc.

Take me doing these, add in my Vibram Five Fingers, & people laugh at me. It’s all good.

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[quote]alit4 wrote:
why do you people resond to this, it only ends up in a complete train wreck. half a thread devoted to arguing over the name of an excercise.
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It isn’t a train wreck. These forums exist for discussion. Why not respond to it?

It’s not the name that counts so much as the thinking that forms the basis behind that name.

That’s the larger point which you seem to have missed.

Thanks to the above exchange, you and everyone else who read it likely knows more about the kinesiology of squats and lunges.

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DeFranco > Nominal Prospect. Sorry bro, not dissing, just being honest. Personally, I don’t give a fuck what ya call it as long as you do it. But if you are gonna insist on calling it one or the other, I will go with Defrano until someone better known that him calls it something different.

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Anything that will make a person actually have to work to do anything

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This is between the 2 gyms I lift at, depending on if I’m at college, or back home.

-Squats that go all the way down to where they should be.
-Deadlifting.
-Any olympic lifts.
-Treadmills. (although I don’t care so much about that)
-A squat rack (yet there is a smith machine!)
-People that make progress

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You guys have covered most of them, but I never (or almost never) see:
-deadlifts with good form (ie. no rounding of the lower back)
-squats at/below parallel
-front squats
-zercher squats
-barbell hack squats
-any olympic lifts
-good mornings

Basically, I don’t see much lower body stuff except for Smith machine squats, lying leg curls, and vagina presses (ab/adductor presses).

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[quote]slippery_banana wrote:
I overheard the gym owner telling someone that he was planning on getting rid of the power rack because no one uses it. I bout shat a brick and went to him and asked about it. He said he would sell it and I got pissed off and told him I use it every time I work out. He said it was for sale and walked away.

WTF!!![/quote]

ask the owner if you were to buy it , could you keep it set up where it is . then in the future when you’re done using it , pull the pins and hooks out and take them with you or stash them somewhere close by .