What Doesn't Kill You, Makes You Stronger

Training
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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
What drug component are you speaking of though?

Your belief is that everyone in the NFL is on PEDS?

Or maybe use when they were younger led to this?

I am always curious to see what people believe in this regards when they make that comment. [/quote]

In 1970 there was one 300lb lineman.

In 2009 there were 394.

My previous post said maybe the reason for more injuries to linemen is they are far larger and stronger and opponents are larger than when you were both younger. These stats alone prove that. That is a perfectly valid explanation for the injuries imo.

To answer this post: In my opinion, no I doubt everyone in the NFL is on PEDs. But I think it is very fair and realistic to assume that the increase in size in Lineman is VERY likely to be at least in part due to many being on PEDs in addition to nutrition and training advances. I would argue that PEDs play a far larger role than “advances in training” and other similar arguments for the massive increases in BWs. It just doesn’t hold water for there to be 1 300lber in 1970 and 400 now without drugs playing a very significant role.

As they are all so much larger, so they can train with bigger weights, impacts in training are alot more dangerous, and so are impacts in games.

This leads to more injuries.

I am not a medical professional such as yourself, but this seems like common sense.

I would be keen to hear how/why you think I am wrong based on your expertise with this kind of thing.

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[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
What drug component are you speaking of though?

Your belief is that everyone in the NFL is on PEDS?

Or maybe use when they were younger led to this?

I am always curious to see what people believe in this regards when they make that comment. [/quote]

In 1970 there was one 300lb lineman.

In 2009 there were 394.

My previous post said maybe the reason for more injuries to linemen is they are far larger and stronger and opponents are larger than when you were both younger. These stats alone prove that. That is a perfectly valid explanation for the injuries imo.

To answer this post: In my opinion, no I doubt everyone in the NFL is on PEDs. But I think it is very fair and realistic to assume that the increase in size in Lineman is VERY likely to be at least in part due to many being on PEDs in addition to nutrition and training advances. I would argue that PEDs play a far larger role than “advances in training” and other similar arguments for the massive increases in BWs. It just doesn’t hold water for there to be 1 300lber in 1970 and 400 now without drugs playing a very significant role.

As they are all so much larger, so they can train with bigger weights, impacts in training are alot more dangerous, and so are impacts in games.

This leads to more injuries.

I am not a medical professional such as yourself, but this seems like common sense.

I would be keen to hear how/why you think I am wrong based on your expertise with this kind of thing. [/quote]
Dont think your wrong, sometimes common sense can be misleading was why I said the medical slant.

Way to many variable in regards to the bigger faster stronger in professional sports.

My question really was more in regards to those two specific injuries, pec and tricep tears.

I mean strength training has increased dramatically along with the bigger faster stronger.

Are these two injuries due to which one?

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[quote]csulli wrote:
Well I’ll put a few injuries on here. I’m pretty sure since HT went first, after reading that everyone was just like “oh uh nevermind… compared to that I’ve practically never even been injured” Which is true, but still, we can share our less catastrophic experiences :slight_smile:

Anyway, these injuries aren’t even noteworthy to a lot of dudes, but thankfully they’re all I’ve had to deal with so far. My lifts continue to improve :)[/quote]

Thanks csulli for sharing! I hoped a lot more people share stories too. I find it really interesting, knowing about injuries and how people overcome them. Gives us younger folk pointers on not what to do also!

It’s such a shame to hear, but at least you found out what made the lower back play up. Which is a positive thing! Shame about the arm. I will never Arm wrestle. It looks like it would cause a lot of stress on the shoulder joint. As well as the bicep tendons!

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Alright here is my list of injuries. They’re not nearly as bad as HT’s but he’s got a few decade’s head start (I’m 18)

Broken right ankle has left the area perpetually puffy.

A ridiculous amount of scar tissue in the right shoulder and elbow from pitching. It was either Tommy John or retirement, I said forget it (was 16 at the time).

Couple herniations in the Lumbar spine. The last time I did it (not too long ago) it sounded like button popping.

Other than that, the majority of my injuries are nagging pains, like a slight tear in my Hammie and pec, the ankle still acts up.

Also had my bouts with depression.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
What drug component are you speaking of though?

Your belief is that everyone in the NFL is on PEDS?

Or maybe use when they were younger led to this?

I am always curious to see what people believe in this regards when they make that comment. [/quote]

In 1970 there was one 300lb lineman.

In 2009 there were 394.

My previous post said maybe the reason for more injuries to linemen is they are far larger and stronger and opponents are larger than when you were both younger. These stats alone prove that. That is a perfectly valid explanation for the injuries imo.

To answer this post: In my opinion, no I doubt everyone in the NFL is on PEDs. But I think it is very fair and realistic to assume that the increase in size in Lineman is VERY likely to be at least in part due to many being on PEDs in addition to nutrition and training advances. I would argue that PEDs play a far larger role than “advances in training” and other similar arguments for the massive increases in BWs. It just doesn’t hold water for there to be 1 300lber in 1970 and 400 now without drugs playing a very significant role.

As they are all so much larger, so they can train with bigger weights, impacts in training are alot more dangerous, and so are impacts in games.

This leads to more injuries.

I am not a medical professional such as yourself, but this seems like common sense.

I would be keen to hear how/why you think I am wrong based on your expertise with this kind of thing. [/quote]
Dont think your wrong, sometimes common sense can be misleading was why I said the medical slant.

Way to many variable in regards to the bigger faster stronger in professional sports.

My question really was more in regards to those two specific injuries, pec and tricep tears.

I mean strength training has increased dramatically along with the bigger faster stronger.

Are these two injuries due to which one? [/quote]

Obviously I have no knowledge regarding american football but has the combine testing changed in the preceding years?

More emphasis on the importance of the bench test could be a reason if so?

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[quote]RATTLEHEAD wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:
What drug component are you speaking of though?

Your belief is that everyone in the NFL is on PEDS?

Or maybe use when they were younger led to this?

I am always curious to see what people believe in this regards when they make that comment. [/quote]

In 1970 there was one 300lb lineman.

In 2009 there were 394.

My previous post said maybe the reason for more injuries to linemen is they are far larger and stronger and opponents are larger than when you were both younger. These stats alone prove that. That is a perfectly valid explanation for the injuries imo.

To answer this post: In my opinion, no I doubt everyone in the NFL is on PEDs. But I think it is very fair and realistic to assume that the increase in size in Lineman is VERY likely to be at least in part due to many being on PEDs in addition to nutrition and training advances. I would argue that PEDs play a far larger role than “advances in training” and other similar arguments for the massive increases in BWs. It just doesn’t hold water for there to be 1 300lber in 1970 and 400 now without drugs playing a very significant role.

As they are all so much larger, so they can train with bigger weights, impacts in training are alot more dangerous, and so are impacts in games.

This leads to more injuries.

I am not a medical professional such as yourself, but this seems like common sense.

I would be keen to hear how/why you think I am wrong based on your expertise with this kind of thing. [/quote]
Dont think your wrong, sometimes common sense can be misleading was why I said the medical slant.

Way to many variable in regards to the bigger faster stronger in professional sports.

My question really was more in regards to those two specific injuries, pec and tricep tears.

I mean strength training has increased dramatically along with the bigger faster stronger.

Are these two injuries due to which one? [/quote]

Obviously I have no knowledge regarding american football but has the combine testing changed in the preceding years?

More emphasis on the importance of the bench test could be a reason if so?[/quote]
No changes in combine, just more emphasis on psych testing and mental aptitude.

They are still repping 225 like they were back in the day

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[quote]IFlashBack wrote:
Alright here is my list of injuries. They’re not nearly as bad as HT’s but he’s got a few decade’s head start (I’m 18)

Broken right ankle has left the area perpetually puffy.

A ridiculous amount of scar tissue in the right shoulder and elbow from pitching. It was either Tommy John or retirement, I said forget it (was 16 at the time).

Couple herniations in the Lumbar spine. The last time I did it (not too long ago) it sounded like button popping.

Other than that, the majority of my injuries are nagging pains, like a slight tear in my Hammie and pec, the ankle still acts up.

Also had my bouts with depression. [/quote]

Hey IFlashBack, thank’s for sharing.

How did you get the herniation’s? + do you know what caused your “slight” hammie and pec tears? Seems painful!

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[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
Oh wtf HT… You tore off your tricep? I was really hoping the triceps were more or less invincible :frowning:

Freaks me right the fuck out to hear of an injury like that.[/quote]

branch warren also tore his a few years ago i think

HT - impressive you continue to train so much after these injuries

how do you manage to get prescribed GH - i.e. what is the medical reason you are given it? it seems crazy to me you can be permanently prescribed this every month. NO WAY would this this happen in some countries outside the US. [/quote]
quality of life medicine, anti aging, hormone replacement therapy specialist are on the rise right now, which is surprising given the steroid hysteria in this country.

i have labs drawn, he checks various hormone levels, and adjusts them to be optimal for a younger healthy person. not super optimal, but it helps.

one of my biggest problems was not my total test level, it was actually good, but my bio available or free test was very very low.

even for an old guy.

one of the reasons was one of my gh precursors was very low.

which he said was a common problem on people who work graveyard night shifts, due to the imbalance and poor quality of sleep.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
ya, c. it is like my ortho said a pretty uncommon injury for most folk, but not so much in weightlifters and football linemen [/quote]
Made me think for a minute HT.

Being a rabid football fan, what do you believe is the reason for the increase in Tricep and pec tears in the NFL? Back in our day you never heard this happening. [/quote]

bigger stronger linemen and change in technique i think. remember decades ago, O linemen were not allowed to extend their arms in a block, then that changed and the short brick shithouse O linemen morphed into the 6’5" - 6’ 8" specimens we see today, with more emphasis on upper body strength that before.

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[quote]The Recluse wrote:

[quote]IFlashBack wrote:
Alright here is my list of injuries. They’re not nearly as bad as HT’s but he’s got a few decade’s head start (I’m 18)

Broken right ankle has left the area perpetually puffy.

A ridiculous amount of scar tissue in the right shoulder and elbow from pitching. It was either Tommy John or retirement, I said forget it (was 16 at the time).

Couple herniations in the Lumbar spine. The last time I did it (not too long ago) it sounded like button popping.

Other than that, the majority of my injuries are nagging pains, like a slight tear in my Hammie and pec, the ankle still acts up.

Also had my bouts with depression. [/quote]

Hey IFlashBack, thank’s for sharing.

How did you get the herniation’s? + do you know what caused your “slight” hammie and pec tears? Seems painful!
[/quote]

The first one came from swinging the bumbbells up like an idiot for the DB press.

The hammie and the second herniation are related. I normally pull Sumo, but I felt the hammie go, so no more sumos for a while. I hadn’t practiced conventional pulling in a long time, but I kept my percentages the same like an idiot. So I come in a week later pulling conventional. It was fine until my back down set where I feel a shot run through my ham string, causing me to lose tension in the posterior chain, which hunches me over and puts all the stress on the low back… and pop goes the weasel.

The pec tears come from repetition, scar tissue in the right side from pitching means I subconsciously move the load to the left side, and it eventually has a breaking point haha

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[quote]IFlashBack wrote:
The pec tears come from repetition, scar tissue in the right side from pitching means I subconsciously move the load to the left side, and it eventually has a breaking point haha [/quote]

Damn, Not a lot you can do about the scar tissue. Have you tried the Deep tissue massage? Also maybe just using db instead of bb for pressing and control the weight with slower negatives perhaps? or have you already found a solution?

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[quote]heavythrower wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]heavythrower wrote:
ya, c. it is like my ortho said a pretty uncommon injury for most folk, but not so much in weightlifters and football linemen [/quote]
Made me think for a minute HT.

Being a rabid football fan, what do you believe is the reason for the increase in Tricep and pec tears in the NFL? Back in our day you never heard this happening. [/quote]

bigger stronger linemen and change in technique i think. remember decades ago, O linemen were not allowed to extend their arms in a block, then that changed and the short brick shithouse O linemen morphed into the 6’5" - 6’ 8" specimens we see today, with more emphasis on upper body strength that before.[/quote]
You know I did not think about that, yea when we played you could not extend your arms, so DL and OL did not have to use their hands/arms like they do know.

Thanks HT