What do you think?

Pharma / TRT
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SO i think I’ve decided on a cycle.
I’m most likely stacking Trenbolone and Winstrol for 10 weeks.

Like this:

Week 1-10: 1.5cc mon,tue,thur,fri
week 3-10: 1cc mon, tue, thur, fri

Again, several people discouraged me from doing this, however, I believe that I am still going to go ahead with it. I have clomid on hand. I don’t think I’m going to take any Anti-E’s during unless I see signs of Gyno…
Again my goals are mainly to put on mass, strength, and keep my speed, for football. I’m 6’2 190lbs.

What do you guys think?

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Anti E’s are for pussies anyway, right?

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10 weeks of winstrol might be a couple of weeks to long in my opinion due to it effects on the liver and tren should be inject ED. What mg/ml for the tren and winny??

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If you are going to do a cycle like this, Shorten it up to six weeks. Do at least a combined gram per week. This will give you enough time to recover sufficiently before your rugby season begins. Then you can reassess you situation and decide whether you want to do another cycle before the beginning of your football season.

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I personally wouldn’t need anti e’s for this cycle, but would also probably shorten it some and do ED injects. You will definitely need lots of recovery items post cycle, which should include anti e’s.

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“You will definitely need lots of recovery items post cycle, which should include anti e’s.”

When you say lots of recovery items you mean just clomid, and maybe some pro-hormone supplement? or what do you mean? - Big Dave

And P22, I was going to do that 2 week - 3 off cycle you suggested but my coaches and the “dealer” suggested otherwise, really I have no idea which would be best, I guess I’ll have to go with trail and error. My only problem with shortening my cycle is that I already purchased my gear. I have 100mg/ml trenbolone in a 30ml net container, (its Finaplex Gold), my winstrol is also 100mg/ml and 30 ml net… or 30cc… now the winstrol I’m only shooting for 7 weeks, and the tren for 10… both are injectables… What is ED? you guys said I should take ED with it?

Thanks again…

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Snow: I suggested the cycle I did to you out of safety, since you are on the young side, and still think you have a little bit more to grow. This is the same reason I suggested tren and winstrol - two steroids that do not aromatise - because epiphyseal plate closure is triggered by estrogen receptors in the growth plate
These steroids do have other advantages however besides this - one being zero water retention, developement of strength and explosive muscle tissue, relatively quick clearance times that will help if you find things begin to go wrong - e.g. pain at the site of your growth plates, and fat loss. One thing you should be aware of however is that Winstrol will cause joint soreness/ stiffness, which you can treat with some ibupropen, and tren will cause some cramping, which can be controled with potasium supplemetation on a as needed basis.

The most effective cycle with the gear you have is this:

Do 50mg of tren per day. This equates to 1/2 of a cc
Do 50 mg of Winstrol every day. once again 1/2 of a cc

This means you are doing one shot per day and mixing the winny with the tren.
(this is a two month cycle)
Do this by first drawing up from one and then drawing the rest from the other.

this means you are injecting 1 cc per day which is pretty managable.

INJECTION TIPS
buy yourself a couple of 21 or 22 gauge 1 inch needles to use as drawing pins.

Buy 60 insulin needles - these are small needles which will cut down on your injection pain and soreness dramatically - trust me!.

draw your meds using the drawing needles, take the plunger out of the insulin needle and fill it through the back - be carefull not to touch any part of the plunger except the end -I usually hold it with my teeth while back-filling the insulin syringe.
Once filled place the plunger back in the insulin syringe, tip the needle so it is facing up, wait for the excess air to rise to the top, then purge it. You are now ready to inject.

always remember to aspirate - pull back on the plunger to check for blood (don’t inject if blood found - pull out, move the needle slightly over a little and try again or you can pull it out a little change its angle and push it back in the re-aspirate)

always swab the injection site for about 30 seconds in one direction with a cotton dipped in rubbing alchohol before injecting

always swab the rubber stopper of your multidose vials before drawing your meds for about 30 seconds in one direction

If you are reusing your needles as for drawing purposes, be sure not to touch any part of the needle anywhere plus do not touch the plunger body either.
If you do, you will have to get another.

make sure you rotate your sites - Vastus Lateralis (quads), Ventro Gluteal (side of your ass above the trochanter (head of the femur), Delts, Gluteal.
Research all these sites and the correct landmarking techniques for each.

The anti E’s are for after your cycle is over and are to be used to help kick start your hypothalmic-pituitary axis into sending a chemical message to your testes to begin producing natural testosterone again. If you fuck this up your cycle was a waste of time because you will lose all your gains. I advise taking either 100mg of clomid per day, or 40 mg of Nolvadex (tamoxiphen) the day after your last shot. take this for at least 4 weeks or longer - until you are sure you have fully recovered - This is the most important part of your cycle so don’t even start your cycle until you have either of these drugs on your person in sufficient quantities.

Try to be fully recovered before you start rugby as I have mentioned before this sport is extremely catabolic to muscle tissues and if you do not have adequate test levels you will lose a lot of muscle!

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ED is short for “every day”
EOD means “every other day”

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Hey P22,
I’ve started the monday,tues, thurs, fri 1.5 cc injection cycle that my dealer told me to do, I’ve only been doing it for a week. To be honest, I have more faith and trust in what your telling me, than him. But can I change my cycle now? should I start shooting it everyday .5cc of each like you said? I have a full 30cc vial of winstrol that I wasn’t supposed to start until the begining of my third week. I have an untouched vial of 30cc tren, plus 24cc left in the open vial of tren? Do you think I should switch it to what you said even now? And just asking, whay is it better to do daily injections, is it b/c of the Half Life? I’m just trying to understand why my dealer gives me all this retarded info. I know my guy has lots of experience with this shit, and just by looking at him you can tell it works, but he also told me not to aspirtate, which I thought was a little fucked up? He said I’d pass out… he also told me not to combine the tren and winstrol in the same syringe… again that made me curious… so really I’m confused.

Anyways, doing what you said how should I disperse my winny and tren? I have double the tren so I can take a higher dosage of tren per injection? or I can stretch out the length of my cycle.

I just baught 100 23guage needles, and 16 guage pins to draw the stuff with. Again that’s what he told me to do. I already baught it though so I’m gonna stick to that, the 23 guage is pretty small, no pain at all… The tren takes like a full minute to push it, just like u said.

Anyways, tell me what you think…
THanks

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Run the tren at 75mg’s per day

Run the winnie at 75mg’s per day as weell. Run them both At the same time.

The day after you stop your tren go ahead and load on 300mg’s of clomid then 50 mg;s a day after that for 3 weeks.

Run this cycle for 6 weeks.

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I didn’t realise you had 2 bottles of tren. In this case you have a few choices: you can either save the other bottle of tren for another cycle or you can bump up your dosage of tren.

The reason why I say to run these injections every day is because tren’s half life is by some accounts only a day. So in order to keep blood levels in therapeutic range you should inject every day. You can inject twice as much every second day but you will have greater fluctuation of the trenbolone in your system which may give you less gains.

As far as the winstrol, some people say that once you inject it into your body, the crystals slowly disolve over time , and that you only have to inject your dose as little as once a week. This however has never been proven. So to be on the safer side or to ensure you are getting the most from your Winstrol it is better to do every day or every other day injections.

As far as mixing water based gear with oil based, I have done this often without a problem.

I advise you to try doing things different ways and see what works best for you

As far as the 23 gauge pins, these are not the smallest. -The smallest gauge pins will cause less post injection pain and less scar tissue development at the site. The largest I use is 25 gauge and I mostly use insulin needles now. I am telling you this: once you try insulin pins you will have no need ever again for 23 gauge pins TRUST ME!

As far as aspirating goes, normally if you land mark right, you will never aspirate blood. However this is just a percautionary measure - like putting on your seat belt, that is a dam good idea to do. You won’t pass out from aspiration, all you need to do is pull back on the plunger just ever so slightly, if you are in a vein, blood will be immediately visable in the needle hub. You will however pass out if you inject your oil-based gear into a vein - we’re talking coronary embolism here and even death!

So last thing I will say is to start your tren like right now! - don’t wait!

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Here’s my new perposed cycle
THis is the begining of week 2 b/c I’ve already begun, but working with what I have left this is what I’ve arranged.
54 cc of Tren
30 cc of Winstrol

weeks 2-6 : .75 cc Tren ED
weeks 7-8 : 1 cc Tren ED
weeks 9-10 : .75 cc Tren ED

Weeks 2-10 : .75 cc Winstrol EOD

I will have a little bit left extra of both drugs and so I will probably just have either 2 and a half weeks of 1 cc of tren ED, and possible a week of 1 cc of winstrol EOD.

What do you guys think?
Yes I will definitly stack on the Clomid the day after my last injection.

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ummmm. what the fuck. BFA? is that you bro? i havent seen your tired ass around here for a year it seems like. what, did you think you were just going to slide back in here and nobody would notice?

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Your post was confusing because I think you are mixing up cc with mg. Remember cc is the same thing as ml(millilitres) it is just a old medical abreviation. Mg is the amount of med. so 1 ml or cc or tren contains 100 mg (in your case) of trenbolone. Anyway I think your cycle looks not too bad. The only other thing I would sereously recomend (since you are now doing a long cycle) is HCG. You should get your self some hcg and some nolvadex and at least follow a weekend protocol of 100-250 iu per day. You will need the nolvadex because hcg aromatises. (the learning curve continues) P-22

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Postcycle you will need clomid at the very least. Using a-dex postcycle; I would do it just to follow Cy’s recommendations, but I haven’t done and don’t intend to do a cycle with no test, which requires a-dex.

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When you said I should start a weeked protocol of HCG did u mean during my cycle or as part of my post cycle. I read this article that you posted on another forum a while back about how a 2-3 week cycle of hcg with clomiphene is extremely successful as a post cycle. The reason I’m concerned about this is, I’m pretty much dirt broke, I’m going to be shooting everday for the next 9 weeks I really would prefer not to have to do anything else. Do you think I could get by without the HCG? I plan on getting a shitload of pro-hormone supplements (like u suggested) to take with clomiphene or nolvadex as my post cycle.

One last thing:

THis is how I broke down my “new cycle”, again just to make sure you approve of what I’m going to do now.
Like I said I’m going to be taking Tren at .75 cc (.75ml) for 24 days, then I’m going to up the dosage to 1 cc (1 ml) for 25 days, then I’m going to go back to .75 cc for 14 days to end my cycle. (This will mean I have an extra 2 ml or so left of extra tren which will probably just make up for any mishaps that occur.
I am also going to start taking .75 cc of Winstrol tomorrow, taking it every other day for the next 4 and a half weeks, then for 2 and a half weeks I’ll be taking winstrol at .75cc everyday, then the last 2 weeks I’ll go back down to every other day. Does this sound like a good idea? That way I consume all of the drugs I baught (so i dont waste money) I think I’ve combined what you wanted me to do.

If you approve of this my next question is about injection sites. So far I’ve only had it “put in my ass” (as dirty as that sounds - lol) and in my thigh. I friend does it for me in my glutes, because I tried and I can’t do it alone there. However, my quads are easy to do alone. Are there any other injection sites that are easy to do alone, b/c I know I should be switching up injection sites. I’ll start injecting into my delts, but again i don’t think I’ll be able to do that alone, and I don’t want to bug my friend everyday… any suggestions???
Thanks man

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One more thing. I don’t think I’ll be changing my needles (i’m going to try and see if I can switch an un-opened box of 23 guage needles, if I can’t I’ll just stick to those. But when you were taking about filling the needle from the back, I don’t need to do that with these, right? I’m guessing I put on the 16guage drawing pins that I baught, use one for the tren, switch to a new pin use that for the winstrol, then put hte original 23 guage back on to inject, is that alright do you think?

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Read Fearmy6pak’s: Syringe/Needle/Injection thread

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read the thumper’s link, I’ll get back later tonight when I have time.

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try to even out all your dosages so they are the same. There is no reason for you to piramid up then piramid back down again.

as far as changing needles, you can just keep the same pin for drawing your tren and winstrol, or keep a tren pin and a winstrol drawing pin. As long as you do not touch the pin and place it back in its plastic sheath without contaminating it you can reuse it over again as a drawing pin. If you touch it to something that is not sterile you should consider it unsterile and either boil it in water, or throw it away.

as far as injection sites let me introduce you to the best dam injection site known to man: the ventrogluteal site. Injecting into this site is easy because it is on the side of your ass, and it is much less painful because the muscles are not major players in walking, squating, leg curls, e.t.c. Here is a picture: