Goddamn, I wish I could only work out all day every day and here people are trying to get out of 45 mins? I understand there are things like life constraints, but if you want it and don’t have such constraints, jesus an hour working out (not to be confused with getting yourself really tired) nad getting strong is exhilarating.
Conditioning, I have no idea about. God help me if it takes more than 30 mins.
This was a recent video from Dragon Door on kettlebells for MMA
This ia a great video about the use off kettlebells. The thing I am still wondering the last few weeks is if I need to get that much stronger as you get by 5/3/1.
I am not the youngest anymore (51) and have practice since the age off 15. I never had any problems doiing without weights, 20-30 years ago there was not much info about that.
I think that when you train your martial arts seriously as your main art it is not that neccasary to go overboard with strengthtraining.
Maybay when I was 20 or 30 years younger it has helped me maybay, but even then, I think the training that I did then was more then enough to stay in shape in to win lotts off fights.
Since I dont compete anymore I dont have any weight poblems exept that I want to look good 
So maybay isnt that bad off a choiche.
[quote]lokate wrote:
This ia a great video about the use off kettlebells. The thing I am still wondering the last few weeks is if I need to get that much stronger as you get by 5/3/1.
I am not the youngest anymore (51) and have practice since the age off 15. I never had any problems doiing without weights, 20-30 years ago there was not much info about that.
I think that when you train your martial arts seriously as your main art it is not that neccasary to go overboard with strengthtraining.
Maybay when I was 20 or 30 years younger it has helped me maybay, but even then, I think the training that I did then was more then enough to stay in shape in to win lotts off fights.
Since I dont compete anymore I dont have any weight poblems exept that I want to look good
So maybay isnt that bad off a choiche.[/quote]
lokate,
5/3/1 is great and the truth is no one has ever said “I wish I was weaker.”
Since you brought up age I am going to suggest that from here on out you put a premium on getting stronger and building muscle. Most find that after 50 or so it is not that easy. However if you gear your workouts towards strength and building muscle you will find that the natural loss of both as you age can be avoided to a great extent. This means that you will not only look “good” at 52, but will keep you from being the broken down old man that can no longer practice or apply his martial art at 65/75/85/etc. Keep your heart and lungs strong and healthy as well, but make it a goal to never have your max effort squat be getting off the toilet.
Regards,
Robert A
Hahaha, great that part off the toilet. I appriciate that you are thinking with me.
Its only when I just dicided to give up heavy strengthtraining I got confused about what you are sayiing because that makes sense to.
But then again, dont you think that people who can lift and press and do all kinids off stuff with a kettlebell, and I dont mean the kettlebell off 12 or 16 kilo but the heavy ones, 32 and 48 I believe it was, arent strong?
I think these people are realy strong. I dont know if you have tried training with kettlebells but when you first try to press a 24 kilo kettlebell it feels quit heavy.
So I am still not convinced that training with kettlebells wont make you stronger, but then again, the things you say are true to.Thanks again for reacting.
Dude, it doesn’t matter if the weight is shaped like a bell or like a stone or like a very small panda bear - it’s the WEIGHT that matters.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Dude, it doesn’t matter if the weight is shaped like a bell or like a stone or like a very small panda bear - it’s the WEIGHT that matters.[/quote]
Sure, but kettlebells typically (like you say: it’s just a weight, they don’t have to) go with a certain style of “lifting”, that usually involves a lot of swinging, momentum and technique heavy exercises.
I’m pretty much never a fan momentum-heavy, technique-heavy, lifting. For me lifting is ONLY about getting stronger (notice I didn’t say building muscle), not developing a specific technique, or being able to more reps in a shorter amount of time than my training partner.
I think kettlebells like crossfit are fine as a thing unto themselves if that’s what you enjoy, but are not ideal strength or conditioning tools for other activities.
[quote]Spartiates wrote:
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Dude, it doesn’t matter if the weight is shaped like a bell or like a stone or like a very small panda bear - it’s the WEIGHT that matters.[/quote]
Sure, but kettlebells typically (like you say: it’s just a weight, they don’t have to) go with a certain style of “lifting”, that usually involves a lot of swinging, momentum and technique heavy exercises.
I’m pretty much never a fan momentum-heavy, technique-heavy, lifting. For me lifting is ONLY about getting stronger (notice I didn’t say building muscle), not developing a specific technique, or being able to more reps in a shorter amount of time than my training partner.
I think kettlebells like crossfit are fine as a thing unto themselves if that’s what you enjoy, but are not ideal strength or conditioning tools for other activities.[/quote]
I can agree with that
for me lifting means getting stronger on squats, deadlifts, press and bench.
The basic i know it works.
I don`t care for any stuff that mimics ring/martial art stuff on weight room. We do that shit everyday, it’s not doing knee strikes while wearing shin weighted ankles that will improve it.