What are You Strugling With?

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

What makes boxing more functional than bodybuilding? [/quote]

Everything, I love bodybuilding and I admire the athletes for their dedication, but unless you are a pro and making a living out of BB, you are just a big dude who can push heavy weights.

In everyday life though, I just don�?�´t see any benefits of being a bodybuilder or powerlifter unless that is what I do for a living. Again please understand that this is my own personal opinion for my own life. [/quote]

You may lead a more violent life than I, for I have never needed the skills of boxing in my everyday life, whereas I have often needed the skills of powerlifting and strongman.

Wouldn’t function be based upon the individual?
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Absolutely, I also picked boxing out of convenience. Depending on your lifestyle and occupation, some other sport might be more beneficial for your everyday life.

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[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
What makes boxing more functional than bodybuilding? [/quote]

I could make a pretty good case that in modern society, bodybuilding serves a greater purpose than boxing. Nowadays, actual fights and the need to violently protect one self, family and possessions is not an occurrence many will encounter.

Conversely, adding muscular size (bodybuilding) acts as a deterrent to those that would cause you to have to fight. It also serves the purpose of attracting a mate to procreate.

Therefore bodybuilding serves a more functional purpose than bodybuilding. [/quote]

I partially agree to some of your comments but I picked boxing out of convenience, it could be any other sport in that matter. When it comes to attracting females, muscle attracts women and I am grateful for it. Yet I have never seen steroid abusers surrounded by females either.

I can also guarantee you one thing though, possibility of you being in a position that you will have to run is a lot higher than flexing your biceps to deteriorate your opponents :)[/quote]

Self confidence attracts women. Why even train unless you’re attempting to cover up self esteem issues?

Bodybuilders are all steroid abusers?

I don’t know what kind of grandiose fantasies you indulge in, but if you aren’t Mike Tyson, it would be best to not engage a group of people in a fight if these are the same type of people who would attack a large “steroid abusing” bodybuilder.

Oh well nevermind. I can’t believe i’m actually partaking in a silly funtional strength debate. Have fun. I’m out.

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[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

What makes boxing more functional than bodybuilding? [/quote]

Everything, I love bodybuilding and I admire the athletes for their dedication, but unless you are a pro and making a living out of BB, you are just a big dude who can push heavy weights.

In everyday life though, I just don�??�?�´t see any benefits of being a bodybuilder or powerlifter unless that is what I do for a living. Again please understand that this is my own personal opinion for my own life. [/quote]

You may lead a more violent life than I, for I have never needed the skills of boxing in my everyday life, whereas I have often needed the skills of powerlifting and strongman.

Wouldn’t function be based upon the individual?
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Absolutely, I also picked boxing out of convenience. Depending on your lifestyle and occupation, some other sport might be more beneficial for your everyday life.

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I absolutely agree with you. No one activity is more functional than the other.

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[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

Hi,

It has always fascinated me that people are so much concerned about the total amount weight they can lift and completely overlook what they are missing on the other side.

I have never been a power lifter nor that I have any intentions to be. I have been on a pro cycling team for 4 years, played varsity basketball for 4 years and have been lifting regularly for almost 7 years. To me raw strength without any functional capabilities or aesthetics is not a very appealing concept. If you develop enough muscle mass on your body and those muscles are not able to sync with each other while allowing you to run, jump or hit some objects (a.k.a good old fighting) properly, I�??�??�??�??�??�??�?�´d have a hard time justifying all that training. This is my personal view on the subject!

My motto has always been to increase the muscle size to the point where I can still maintain my proportions and maintain their full functionality at the same time.

By the way, any girl would pick a sprinter over a power lifter if anyone was wondering. No offense intended though, just my personal observations.

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This is funny.
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Funny?[/quote]

He’s being nice. You have no idea what you are talking about.[/quote]

What I am saying may not appeal to you and I understand that. If you were to draw a conclusion on how much I know about muscular development or human performance, that is a whole another topic.

Since this is a open forum, I just wanted to share my personal view on the subject. If anyone has been offended by any means, please accept my apologies. I have stated many times how much I care about building muscle and increasing strength but I guess they have been overlooked.

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No offense taken. I am not a powerlifter.

With that being said, you really have no idea what you are talking about. I suggest you visit t3hpwnisher’s highly enlightening blog and reevaluate your notions on powerlifters and the silly idea of “functional strength”.

Google mythical strength. It will be the first result that turns up.
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I am glad you are not offended. I also dont understand what part of “me respecting powerlifters for what they do” could not be conveyed but thatÃ??Ã?´s ok.

Functional strength is not an idea by the way, but it is the reality of majority of athletes. I am not sure if you have played any sports in the past but to give you an idea, try to put a bodybuilder in a ring with Mike Tyson and see what happens, having muscles and using those muscles for a specific purpose are totally different things. I hope it is bit more clear now.

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No. Didn’t play much sports. All i did was serve in the military for a couple of years but what would i know about running, jumping, hitting objects etc…?

And I do not understand what is unclear to you since you recognize that “function” is specific to a chosen activity. Unless, of course, you consider powerlifting and bodybuilding lesser endeavours not worthy of consideration as actual sports.[/quote]

Of course not, I have been lifting myself for many years and I know how difficult it is. Maybe the hardest of all sports based on the difficulty. What I meant by one particular sport being more functional than others is that the amount of skills you can transfer from that sport to your everyday life. Not in regards to unique set of skills each discipline requires and definitely not in a sense of grading them on any scale for comparison.

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[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
What makes boxing more functional than bodybuilding? [/quote]

I could make a pretty good case that in modern society, bodybuilding serves a greater purpose than boxing. Nowadays, actual fights and the need to violently protect one self, family and possessions is not an occurrence many will encounter.

Conversely, adding muscular size (bodybuilding) acts as a deterrent to those that would cause you to have to fight. It also serves the purpose of attracting a mate to procreate.

Therefore bodybuilding serves a more functional purpose than bodybuilding. [/quote]

I partially agree to some of your comments but I picked boxing out of convenience, it could be any other sport in that matter. When it comes to attracting females, muscle attracts women and I am grateful for it. Yet I have never seen steroid abusers surrounded by females either.

I can also guarantee you one thing though, possibility of you being in a position that you will have to run is a lot higher than flexing your biceps to deteriorate your opponents :)[/quote]

Self confidence attracts women. Why even train unless you’re attempting to cover up self esteem issues?

Bodybuilders are all steroid abusers?

I don’t know what kind of grandiose fantasies you indulge in, but if you aren’t Mike Tyson, it would be best to not engage a group of people in a fight if these are the same type of people who would attack a large “steroid abusing” bodybuilder.

Oh well nevermind. I can’t believe i’m actually partaking in a silly funtional strength debate. Have fun. I’m out.[/quote]

Hi,

You cannot attain self confidence by participating in any sports. Self confidence is internal and training your body is external.

Take care…

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[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
What makes boxing more functional than bodybuilding? [/quote]

I could make a pretty good case that in modern society, bodybuilding serves a greater purpose than boxing. Nowadays, actual fights and the need to violently protect one self, family and possessions is not an occurrence many will encounter.

Conversely, adding muscular size (bodybuilding) acts as a deterrent to those that would cause you to have to fight. It also serves the purpose of attracting a mate to procreate.

Therefore bodybuilding serves a more functional purpose than bodybuilding. [/quote]

I partially agree to some of your comments but I picked boxing out of convenience, it could be any other sport in that matter. When it comes to attracting females, muscle attracts women and I am grateful for it. Yet I have never seen steroid abusers surrounded by females either.

I can also guarantee you one thing though, possibility of you being in a position that you will have to run is a lot higher than flexing your biceps to deteriorate your opponents :)[/quote]

Self confidence attracts women. Why even train unless you’re attempting to cover up self esteem issues?

Bodybuilders are all steroid abusers?

I don’t know what kind of grandiose fantasies you indulge in, but if you aren’t Mike Tyson, it would be best to not engage a group of people in a fight if these are the same type of people who would attack a large “steroid abusing” bodybuilder.

Oh well nevermind. I can’t believe i’m actually partaking in a silly funtional strength debate. Have fun. I’m out.[/quote]

Hi,

You cannot attain self confidence by participating in any sports. Self confidence is internal and training your body is external.

Take care…
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I believe that is exactly what i wrote. If you are training because “muscle attracts women”, you have some internal issues that will not be solved in the gym.

Take care…

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[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
What makes boxing more functional than bodybuilding? [/quote]

I could make a pretty good case that in modern society, bodybuilding serves a greater purpose than boxing. Nowadays, actual fights and the need to violently protect one self, family and possessions is not an occurrence many will encounter.

Conversely, adding muscular size (bodybuilding) acts as a deterrent to those that would cause you to have to fight. It also serves the purpose of attracting a mate to procreate.

Therefore bodybuilding serves a more functional purpose than bodybuilding. [/quote]

I partially agree to some of your comments but I picked boxing out of convenience, it could be any other sport in that matter. When it comes to attracting females, muscle attracts women and I am grateful for it. Yet I have never seen steroid abusers surrounded by females either.

I can also guarantee you one thing though, possibility of you being in a position that you will have to run is a lot higher than flexing your biceps to deteriorate your opponents :)[/quote]

Self confidence attracts women. Why even train unless you’re attempting to cover up self esteem issues?

Bodybuilders are all steroid abusers?

I don’t know what kind of grandiose fantasies you indulge in, but if you aren’t Mike Tyson, it would be best to not engage a group of people in a fight if these are the same type of people who would attack a large “steroid abusing” bodybuilder.

Oh well nevermind. I can’t believe i’m actually partaking in a silly funtional strength debate. Have fun. I’m out.[/quote]

Hi,

You cannot attain self confidence by participating in any sports. Self confidence is internal and training your body is external.

Take care…
[/quote]

I believe that is exactly what i wrote. If you are training because “muscle attracts women”, you have some internal issues that will not be solved in the gym.

Take care…[/quote]

Given both guys have self confidence, guess who would have the edge? Confident skinny dude or confident ripped physique athlete?

You can have self confidence and still train to be the best you can be as a human being, not to solely attract chicks. Even though that is a great side benefit.

You also take care…

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[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

What makes boxing more functional than bodybuilding? [/quote]

Everything, I love bodybuilding and I admire the athletes for their dedication, but unless you are a pro and making a living out of BB, you are just a big dude who can push heavy weights.

In everyday life though, I just don�?�´t see any benefits of being a bodybuilder or powerlifter unless that is what I do for a living. Again please understand that this is my own personal opinion for my own life. [/quote]

How is having the ability to beat someones face in functional in today’s modern society? You could easily apply your entire post, almost word for word, towards boxing.

"Everything, I love boxing and I admire the athletes for their dedication, but unless you are a pro and making a living out of boxing, you are just a guy who can beat people up.

In everyday life though, I just don’t see any benefits of being a boxer unless that is what I do for a living. Again please understand that this is my own personal opinion for my own life."

EDIT: To clarify, for the average person’s everyday life activities I don’t really think either one is all that necessary or even gives any real benefit or negative.

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[quote]staystrong wrote:

[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

What makes boxing more functional than bodybuilding? [/quote]

Everything, I love bodybuilding and I admire the athletes for their dedication, but unless you are a pro and making a living out of BB, you are just a big dude who can push heavy weights.

In everyday life though, I just don�?�´t see any benefits of being a bodybuilder or powerlifter unless that is what I do for a living. Again please understand that this is my own personal opinion for my own life. [/quote]

How is having the ability to beat someones face in functional in today’s modern society? You could easily apply your entire post, almost word for word, towards boxing.

"Everything, I love boxing and I admire the athletes for their dedication, but unless you are a pro and making a living out of boxing, you are just a guy who can beat people up.

In everyday life though, I just don’t see any benefits of being a boxer unless that is what I do for a living. Again please understand that this is my own personal opinion for my own life."[/quote]

I have already stated three times that I picked boxing as an example. I have also made the following comment in case you have missed it

"Absolutely, I also picked boxing out of convenience. Depending on your lifestyle and occupation, some other sport might be more beneficial for your everyday life. "

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[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
What makes boxing more functional than bodybuilding? [/quote]

I could make a pretty good case that in modern society, bodybuilding serves a greater purpose than boxing. Nowadays, actual fights and the need to violently protect one self, family and possessions is not an occurrence many will encounter.

Conversely, adding muscular size (bodybuilding) acts as a deterrent to those that would cause you to have to fight. It also serves the purpose of attracting a mate to procreate.

Therefore bodybuilding serves a more functional purpose than bodybuilding. [/quote]

allll of that.

I gotta say, every fight (outside of the ring/cage) I’ve been in was because a bigger guy tried to bully me.

It’s natural for most people to see two people, and not pick on the one who looks like a bodybuilder to try and push around

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I shall attempt to get this thread back on track:

I’m currently struggling with the fact that I do not have anywhere near as much muscle mass as I thought I did. I’ve been cutting for about a month now and it’s going really well, but it’s crazy how much weight I’ve needed to lose to go from “lean” to “ripped.” I’ve still got a ways to go, and by the time I’m done I’ll probably have cut 25lbs more than I thought I’d need to.

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[quote]Yogi wrote:
I shall attempt to get this thread back on track:

I’m currently struggling with the fact that I do not have anywhere near as much muscle mass as I thought I did. I’ve been cutting for about a month now and it’s going really well, but it’s crazy how much weight I’ve needed to lose to go from “lean” to “ripped.” I’ve still got a ways to go, and by the time I’m done I’ll probably have cut 25lbs more than I thought I’d need to.

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Hi Yogi,

May I ask what was your weight when you started cutting and where you stand now?

Also, are you doing any cardio?

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Focus/Choosing a CLEAR direction at the moment. I want to stick with 5/3/1 + some BB’ing accessories and eat in a surplus to gain some size and strength, but im also having a great time doing CF right now and would like to improve on that while maintaining my strength numbers.

Currently im stuck doing 5/3/1 without the BBB lifts or accessories, and having to pick and choose CF workouts that somewhat fit in with my lifting workouts. Oh yea, and recover all at the same time without eating so many calories that i blow up like a fatass. Balls

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[quote]dt79 wrote:
Google mythical strength. It will be the first result that turns up.
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I did, I’m impressed and have now added it to my must read list.

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[quote]GetitUp wrote:
Focus/Choosing a CLEAR direction at the moment. I want to stick with 5/3/1 + some BB’ing accessories and eat in a surplus to gain some size and strength, but im also having a great time doing CF right now and would like to improve on that while maintaining my strength numbers.

Currently im stuck doing 5/3/1 without the BBB lifts or accessories, and having to pick and choose CF workouts that somewhat fit in with my lifting workouts. Oh yea, and recover all at the same time without eating so many calories that i blow up like a fatass. Balls[/quote]

Been exactly there myself and I can tell you from experience, the longer you drag your heals choosing which path to go, the longer you’ll spend spinning your wheels getting nowhere quickly.

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I’ve been struggling with knowing when to hold back and when to push through a niggling ‘injury’. I always am more tempted to go for the ‘push through it’ option than the holding back, even when it may actually be more beneficial in the long run to rest. Anyone else struggle with this and/or figured out a good way of telling if you should rest or keep going? I’d guess not as it’s going to be predominantly down to each individual and each individual niggles but I figured it was worth asking.

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[quote]GetitUp wrote:
Focus/Choosing a CLEAR direction at the moment. I want to stick with 5/3/1 + some BB’ing accessories and eat in a surplus to gain some size and strength, but im also having a great time doing CF right now and would like to improve on that while maintaining my strength numbers.

Currently im stuck doing 5/3/1 without the BBB lifts or accessories, and having to pick and choose CF workouts that somewhat fit in with my lifting workouts. Oh yea, and recover all at the same time without eating so many calories that i blow up like a fatass. Balls[/quote]

Hi, I assume you are trying to put on some muscle mass. Based on my experience, the most useful approach has been to reverse the process, basically choosing the type of physique you want to achieve and reverse engineer the training regimen to achieve that goal. It takes a lot of guess work out of equation and it served me great in last 5 years. I can give you more specific examples if you want.

I also divide my physical activities into two categories, 1 - activities that will help me to achieve my goal 2- activities that are just for fun. I have been Bodybuilding for 7 years and very satisfied with the results. Yet, I play basketball or football once a week just for fun. They are also great for cardio once you get of tired of the treadmill.

Recovery is whole another topic and must not be overlooked however, your recovery options will also vary based on the physical activities you choose. I know, this list goes on and on but the good thing is there are a lot of small bits of wisdom available and they are very easy to memorize.

In ten years, I have managed to become fat, skinny and ripped (totally unintentional) and if you have any specific questions, I would love to answer them.

Best

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[quote]dagill2 wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:
Google mythical strength. It will be the first result that turns up.
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I did, I’m impressed and have now added it to my must read list.
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Thanks to both of you. Always great to have more readers.

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[quote]rusty92 wrote:
I’ve been struggling with knowing when to hold back and when to push through a niggling ‘injury’. I always am more tempted to go for the ‘push through it’ option than the holding back, even when it may actually be more beneficial in the long run to rest. Anyone else struggle with this and/or figured out a good way of telling if you should rest or keep going? I’d guess not as it’s going to be predominantly down to each individual and each individual niggles but I figured it was worth asking.[/quote]

Hey man,

Actually I thought of the same thing a few days ago. I have been through couple of injuries myself in the past, one on my shoulder and other one was my lower back.

It is bit tricky to explain from my experience but I will do my best.

You probably have realized that every time you lift you get two kinds of pain. One muscular (type you should love) and other one is from ligaments, joints or cartilages.

Best way to figure out if you risk an injury in the case of an over push is to do a light set of movement while controlling the weight both on negative and positive parts while keeping the intended muscle contracted all the time, it will give you a clear indication of where the most of your pain will be generated from once you start your working sets. It will also allow you to distinguish the two types of pain even under heavy loads so you will have an idea of when to hold back or push through.

In my opinion, if the pain from ligaments or joints become unbearable, it is not worth the risk (unless you prepping for a competition and time is running out) I did that mistake t once and it put me off for 4 months.

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[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]dt79 wrote:

[quote]wisdom_of_strong wrote:

[quote]jbpick86 wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
What makes boxing more functional than bodybuilding? [/quote]

I could make a pretty good case that in modern society, bodybuilding serves a greater purpose than boxing. Nowadays, actual fights and the need to violently protect one self, family and possessions is not an occurrence many will encounter.

Conversely, adding muscular size (bodybuilding) acts as a deterrent to those that would cause you to have to fight. It also serves the purpose of attracting a mate to procreate.

Therefore bodybuilding serves a more functional purpose than bodybuilding. [/quote]

I partially agree to some of your comments but I picked boxing out of convenience, it could be any other sport in that matter. When it comes to attracting females, muscle attracts women and I am grateful for it. Yet I have never seen steroid abusers surrounded by females either.

I can also guarantee you one thing though, possibility of you being in a position that you will have to run is a lot higher than flexing your biceps to deteriorate your opponents :)[/quote]

Self confidence attracts women. Why even train unless you’re attempting to cover up self esteem issues?

Bodybuilders are all steroid abusers?

I don’t know what kind of grandiose fantasies you indulge in, but if you aren’t Mike Tyson, it would be best to not engage a group of people in a fight if these are the same type of people who would attack a large “steroid abusing” bodybuilder.

Oh well nevermind. I can’t believe i’m actually partaking in a silly funtional strength debate. Have fun. I’m out.[/quote]

Hi,

You cannot attain self confidence by participating in any sports. Self confidence is internal and training your body is external.

Take care…
[/quote]

I believe that is exactly what i wrote. If you are training because “muscle attracts women”, you have some internal issues that will not be solved in the gym.

Take care…[/quote]

“Muscle attracts women” doesn’t necessarily mean there are deep seeded issues. In many cases it simply indicates a level of pride in ones appearance, compared to someone who doesn’t care and acts like a slob. A self confident slob is still a slob and the visible lack of pride in oneself is just as also unappealing to women. I am not talking about trying to look like Phil Heath here though. I mean simply working out with an aesthetic goal in mind, which covers a broad range of strategies.