What am I Doing Wrong?

however, I understand and appreciate the advice I have received and thanks to you I have understood a few important things. I probably was wrong not to explain right away that I train in a garage gym and why it would be difficult to follow a Meadows program, but I don’t understand the insistence of some, when I was just investigating other alternatives. I clearly have the utmost trust and respect for you, or I wouldn’t have come here to ask.

Unless someone has some other ideas i Will go for deepwater (bb) or Paul carter’s guaranteed muscle Mass.

I felt like I explained it pretty clearly. Which part don’t you understand?

Is that Deep Water Badass? Or another? A quick Google didn’t turn much up, but I didn’t look that hard either.

This program might be a little tough with your equipment situation as well, though you might be able to make it work.

Here’s one another one to check out:

And also:

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It’s his paid program, which is most likely Deep Water Badass or Deep Water evolved or something along those lines. The book doesn’t actually call it anything other than Deep Water, but it’s a different program than what is in the free e-book.

Ah gotcha, thanks man.

Is it worth it in your opinion? I’ve been on the fence for sometime now about getting it, but I honestly can’t think of how much more I would get out of it vs vanilla deep water, especially since I’m not planning on doing any bodybuilding oriented type of training. I am, however, always interested in reading more jargon from authors and athletes I appreciate.

I wanna run it once, just because I dig challenges, but just like how Deep Water was Building the Monolith on bath salts, Deep Water Badass is the Deep Water of Deep Water. One of the squats workouts has 5x50 bodyweight squats as PART of the assistance work.

It’s very different from the Ebook. Both 2 workouts are alike.

Jon seems to regularly put the whole package on sale. I got it for $65, but I have seen it as low as $40. You also get free unlimited email access to him, if you go for that sorta thing.

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Thank you

is that 50 squats with bodyweight loaded on the bar??? I can’t even do that for 1 set :laughing:

Negative. A bodyweight squat is a squat without a barbell.

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That is a Dan John challenge though, but I’m not sure if he just had everyone do that to simulate what a bodyweight squat is like for him…

If you only have barbells and dumbells I’m pretty sure there’s a program on here by Amit Sapir called strong bodybuilder which is just barbells and dumbells

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Speculative question: how could a bodybuilding version Deep Water program possibly differ from the standard one?

I mean, looking at the original program it looks like something that would put on lots of mass on anyone able to endure it.

Interested in hearing your thoughts, as you probably know the author better than I do.

It’s worth taking into consideration that bodybuilding is more than just the pursuit of getting as big as possible, but also about crafting a physique that creates the ILLUSION of being as big as possible. This mean emphasizing certain muscles to create this illusion, such as improving the sweep of your quads, the width of your delts and lats, etc, while keeping the waist small.

Like, when Jon was a strongman and a professional wrestler, he was a big, jacked cut dude, but his physique is quite different now as a bodybuilder. And that could be attributed to synthol, but it at least shows the difference in emphasis.

The newest Deep Water program shows more of that bodybuilding influence by it’s result of training. There’s still some elements of weightlifting in it, but it’s not going to make up large swaths of it like you’d see in the free e-book.

Ooh, low blow.

To add to Pwn’s point, I remember him talking about his transition in training on a podcast a while back and he was talking about how he had to cut back on deadlifting and squatting so heavy because of his midsection and legs. He had a massive build but he wasn’t super cut. He had to start doing more isolation which meant compounds, while still super important to him, needed to take a backseat to make room for sculpting movements. He also has more emphasis on supersets and such these days as well for some built in conditioning. I can imagine that’s how DWB is structured.

4 of the 12 weeks are very heavily superset focused, and there’s a fair amount of isolation work for sure. The big heavy compounds still feature regularly for sure.

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FFS, I’ve got it all wrong! No quad sweep, wide mid section, and small laterals and delts. Dammit! :man_facepalming:

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Correct, and it’s hard but fun!

I politely disagree. If you want to see doing it wrong, I present my before picture above.

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