Westside/PLing Training Thread

01/05/07 - Upper (RE)

A) Flat Bench 5x5 Protocol
barx15
135x8
205x5
225x5
245x5
260x5
275x5

B) Rack Lockouts
Pin #9 - 315x6 (PR +1 rep)
Pin #10 - 345x6 (PR +10lbs)
Pin #11 - 375x6 (PR +10lbs)

C) Military Press
135x12
155x12 (PR +2 reps)
155x10
155x10

D) Reverse EZ Curls
EZ+50x12
+70x10
+70x10
+70x10

E) Shoulder Rehab (light band)
BTN Pullaparts 10,10,10
Dislocates 10,10,10
Face Pulls 10,10,10
Lat Pushdowns 10,10,10
Triceps Pushdowns 25,25,25

I figured I’d finish out the week with my regular plan before making any changes to the program. Lockout strength seems to be improving on a weekly basis, so hopefully I get some good carryover to my Bench.

I’m also feeling stronger in my shoulders, and the higher rep stuff isn’t leaving them feeling as beaten up.

Good stuff today.

1/5/08: DE Lower/Upper

Finally back to the gym after nearly 2 weeks off. I ate like a champion over break and the scale confirmed it, weighed 194 this morning, weighed 187 when I left!

I combined both DE days today to get myself back into and will take tomorrow off. Start up again on Monday with some ME action.

Box Squats: +40lb chains + 2.5lb collars on each side
(Box + 45 plate height)
45x8
added chains
45x5
95x5
135x3
185x2x5
(took off 45 plate)
135x3x3

Bench:
45x12x2
95x5
135x5
Added 2-board
185x3
205x2x5

DB Incline:
65x8
75x6,5,7

Chest Supported Row:
90x6x2 wide grip
90x6x2 narrower grip

DB Shrugs:
100x10
110x8
120x8 (PR w/o gloves or straps)

BB Shrugs (OVR UND grip opposite of how I dead):
315x5x3

Today was pretty damn good. I felt strong and fast for the first time in a while. Plus for the first time I was able to squat to the box itself without plopping down. All that stretching over break must have helped. My wrist are killing me though, but I have some wrist wraps and Inzer 13mm belt on the way here so that should help.

As for my weight, I’m a little disappointed to have gained so much but it was expected, I ate nonstop over break and did no lifting only stretching and roller work. I’m adjusting my diet, going to increase my protein to 300-350g and drop my carbs to around 100g, this usually works pretty well for getting rid of holiday fat. I hope it doesn’t effect my strength gains, but I have to drop a little, my sz34 jeans barely fit!

[quote]AshyLarry wrote:
1/5/08: DE Lower/Upper

Finally back to the gym after nearly 2 weeks off. I ate like a champion over break and the scale confirmed it, weighed 194 this morning, weighed 187 when I left!

I combined both DE days today to get myself back into and will take tomorrow off. Start up again on Monday with some ME action.

Box Squats: +40lb chains + 2.5lb collars on each side
(Box + 45 plate height)

Bench:
45x12x2
95x5
135x5
Added 2-board
185x3
205x2x5

As for my weight, I’m a little disappointed to have gained so much but it was expected, I ate nonstop over break and did no lifting only stretching and roller work. I’m adjusting my diet, going to increase my protein to 300-350g and drop my carbs to around 100g, this usually works pretty well for getting rid of holiday fat. I hope it doesn’t effect my strength gains, but I have to drop a little, my sz34 jeans barely fit!

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Since you don’t have the bands yet, I would start rotating in strait weight, or you can just buy the bands. the purple ones aren’t really that expensive.

Another option, which I think that you might benefit from is rotating in some rep work on your DE days. For example, 4 weeks of speed work then 1 or 2 weeks of reps. Your buddy defiantly needs rep work. He is way too skinny and needs to put on some mass.

I want to see you start doing 3 or 4 week waves this time around.

205 was way too high for DE bench seeing that I know your max is around 230. I still don’t think you need speed work for bench. You setup still needs a lot of work. I like sets of 8 but for you I might do sets of 3 or 4 for like 8-10 sets. You need practice with that first rep. I also wouldn’t have used the boards for speed work. The are good for a supplemental movement after, but you are a raw bencher and need the speed off your chest.

Don’t worry about the weight it will fall off by itself now that you are back to training.

Are you still training at night? We may have come up with something for DE lower days. I need the rack that you usually use to tie the bands to at least for the next 3 weeks. The other two don’t have enough space under them. The blue bands are far too strong to use DBs to hold them down. I think that we can just use both sides. I am almost positive that we have another set of J-hooks lying around. After that, I will be going back to the purples for three weeks so we can just work in if you want to give them a test drive.

DE Upper

Bench - Strait Weight - Paused on all reps
45x20
95x2x5
135x3
155x8x3

I really worked on technique today. I haven’t quite mastered leg drive yet. I tend to push off my toes, but something clicked today. I finally understand pushing into your upper back. I was definitely pushing strait up before and wasn’t on my heals. Today felt great. I was able to really drive into my upper back with my heals. I made great strides in my setup today. Needless to say, I am very pleased. That’s two breakthroughs this week.

Close Grip 3-Board
155x5
185x5
205x5
225x4 - might have had 5 but it would have been sloppy.

Pull-Ups
BW+45x3
BW+25x5
BWx10
BW+25x5
BWx7

Not really sure what I was doing there.

Seated DB Cleans
25x3x15

DONE!!!

2008-01-05

Re upper(westside meatheads template*

A-bench(3x max rep)
135x20
135x15
135x14

B-Superset(back)
1-lat pulldown wide grip
135x10
135x9
135x8 rest 10sex x3 drop at 90x8 rest 10sec x3
2-seated dumbell power clean
10x10
10x10
10x10

C-dumbell military press
50x9 rest 10secx5
50x5 rest 10secx3 drop to 25x7 rest 10secx5

D-Superset traps/arms
1-behind back shrugh in smith machine
135x18
225x10
225x10
285x6
2-dumbell curls
20x15
20x12
20x12
20x11

E-triceps pushdown vbar (notes this cable resistance very high

50x15
50x12

*overall good workout,feel the traps with the powerclean and shrugs exercices…

tommorow off!!!

[quote]Pemdas wrote:

Since you don’t have the bands yet, I would start rotating in strait weight, or you can just buy the bands. the purple ones aren’t really that expensive.

Another option, which I think that you might benefit from is rotating in some rep work on your DE days. For example, 4 weeks of speed work then 1 or 2 weeks of reps. Your buddy defiantly needs rep work. He is way too skinny and needs to put on some mass.

I want to see you start doing 3 or 4 week waves this time around.

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I’ll buy some bands, I was going to buy the purple and green until I noticed the price is for one band! I’ll get the purple ones for now. Rep work would probably be useful, I could do every 5th week do reps instead of speed.

My roommate definitely needs to add some size, but he is probably the most unmotivated-motivated person ever. He likes lifting, but once we leave the gym its over for him. I’ve been on his case for the past year or two since he started lifting with me to eat more and more, but he’s been 170lbs since the day he started.

[quote]Pemdas wrote:

205 was way too high for DE bench seeing that I know your max is around 230. I still don’t think you need speed work for bench. You setup still needs a lot of work. I like sets of 8 but for you I might do sets of 3 or 4 for like 8-10 sets. You need practice with that first rep. I also wouldn’t have used the boards for speed work. The are good for a supplemental movement after, but you are a raw bencher and need the speed off your chest.

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I see what you’re saying there, while my setup is getting better as I get more flexible, its still a while away from being ‘good’. If I switch to 8-10 sets with 3-4 reps should I wave or just go with whatever is around my 5rm for 4 weeks, or add weight every week? I’m truly terrible at figuring out what to do for my bench.

[quote]Pemdas wrote:

Are you still training at night? We may have come up with something for DE lower days. I need the rack that you usually use to tie the bands to at least for the next 3 weeks. The other two don’t have enough space under them. The blue bands are far too strong to use DBs to hold them down. I think that we can just use both sides. I am almost positive that we have another set of J-hooks lying around. After that, I will be going back to the purples for three weeks so we can just work in if you want to give them a test drive.

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Fridays are my only day I lift at night. If you need the good rack thats fine, I can use the one that never has the right height setting in the corner. As long as I’m not maxing I don’t have to use the good one. I remember when you tried using the db’s on the heavy bands a while back and they just kept pulling the weights up, so I can see what your saying.

I’m still kind of stuck figuring out what to do on ME upper days, I don’t want to just straight bench all the time, and I don’t want to use boards for the ME lift because like you said I bench raw and my biggest problem is off the chest. Any suggestions?

[quote]AshyLarry wrote:
Pemdas wrote:

Since you don’t have the bands yet, I would start rotating in strait weight, or you can just buy the bands. the purple ones aren’t really that expensive.

Another option, which I think that you might benefit from is rotating in some rep work on your DE days. For example, 4 weeks of speed work then 1 or 2 weeks of reps. Your buddy defiantly needs rep work. He is way too skinny and needs to put on some mass.

I want to see you start doing 3 or 4 week waves this time around.

I’ll buy some bands, I was going to buy the purple and green until I noticed the price is for one band! I’ll get the purple ones for now. Rep work would probably be useful, I could do every 5th week do reps instead of speed.

My roommate definitely needs to add some size, but he is probably the most unmotivated-motivated person ever. He likes lifting, but once we leave the gym its over for him. I’ve been on his case for the past year or two since he started lifting with me to eat more and more, but he’s been 170lbs since the day he started.

Pemdas wrote:

205 was way too high for DE bench seeing that I know your max is around 230. I still don’t think you need speed work for bench. You setup still needs a lot of work. I like sets of 8 but for you I might do sets of 3 or 4 for like 8-10 sets. You need practice with that first rep. I also wouldn’t have used the boards for speed work. The are good for a supplemental movement after, but you are a raw bencher and need the speed off your chest.

I see what you’re saying there, while my setup is getting better as I get more flexible, its still a while away from being ‘good’. If I switch to 8-10 sets with 3-4 reps should I wave or just go with whatever is around my 5rm for 4 weeks, or add weight every week? I’m truly terrible at figuring out what to do for my bench.

Pemdas wrote:

Are you still training at night? We may have come up with something for DE lower days. I need the rack that you usually use to tie the bands to at least for the next 3 weeks. The other two don’t have enough space under them. The blue bands are far too strong to use DBs to hold them down. I think that we can just use both sides. I am almost positive that we have another set of J-hooks lying around. After that, I will be going back to the purples for three weeks so we can just work in if you want to give them a test drive.

Fridays are my only day I lift at night. If you need the good rack thats fine, I can use the one that never has the right height setting in the corner. As long as I’m not maxing I don’t have to use the good one. I remember when you tried using the db’s on the heavy bands a while back and they just kept pulling the weights up, so I can see what your saying.

I’m still kind of stuck figuring out what to do on ME upper days, I don’t want to just straight bench all the time, and I don’t want to use boards for the ME lift because like you said I bench raw and my biggest problem is off the chest. Any suggestions?

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For the Bench rep work I wouldn’t use something that is about 5 RM. I would start with something that you could do for like 8 or 10. use the same weight for all your sets, but add 5lbs every week. It is better to start low and work up to heavier weight so that you don’t burn out too fast.

Boards are fine for ME work, but I would stick with just the 2 board.

Try this:

Bench 2 weeks
2 Board 2 weeks
Incline 2 weeks
Floor Press 2 weeks

I suggest doing DB work, but not with weight that you used this week. I would lower it to something that you can do for like 3-4 sets of 10-15. This and the reps work will definitely help. I would do the db work on ME days. Maybe rotate incline and flat ever 3-4 weeks for a while.

Do A LOT of upper back work. Face Pulls, DB Cleans, Pull-Downs, Rows. I would try to do more back work then pressing for the time being because of your shoulder issues and I know for fact that your upper back needs some work. Keep the weight relatively light and make sure that you really squeeze the shoulder blades together. This should help your flexibility. I also suggest doing some rehab-prehap work. Like external rotations. I’ll show you what those are if you don’t know. Basically, you want to do everything possible not to rotate your shoulders anymore forward.

Catchup post from Saturday:

DE Upper:

Flat Bench (speed):
10x3@70

My “explode” only partially felt like it. Weight wasn’t too much, just need to work on explosive stuff.

Incline DB Press (45 degrees):
21kg: x8
23kg: 8,8,8,8

Close Grip Bench:

60kg: 9,7,7,6,6,5

MAN, were my shoulders and Tris tired by the time I did the close grips…

Overhead Presses:

30kg: 12,11,11,11

(as I said, shoulders were fried)

Chinups:

body: 10,8,6
@lat pulldown (9th pin): 12
" " " " " " " (10th pin): 8

I’ve noticed that my shoulders and triceps take the brunt of the beatings during my pressing motions (especially bench). Any ideas on how to target the chest more? Maybe it’s why my bench is stalling.

AD

[quote]Pemdas wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Tomorrow is my first DE Upper. NO problem.

However, I want to hit my chest more as my tris and shoulders seem to get hit the most.

I’m thinking of doing an isolation chest movement (flies or whatever) right after the DE.

Any thoughts?

AD

First, I would still squat on DE days. I do both speed squats and speed dead every DE lower day. If I am feeling slow on the squats, I will reduce the weight. If I am feeling slow on deads, I might only do 3-5 sets instead of 8-10. If you form goes to shit on any set just stop. Speed work should be done with close to perfect form. If it breaks down then the weight is too heavy.
The whole point of speed work is train speed not strength. However, you should take a few heavy singles every couple of weeks on DE days. NOT a max effort. If you miss then you fucked up.

Flies are dumb. Don’t do them. My chest usually gets a pretty nice pump from DB work…inclines more than flat. [/quote]

Thanks for the Reply, Pemdas,

You would still do squats (let’s say narrow stance speed squats) on DE day, even if you did wide stance box squats on ME day?

AD

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Pemdas wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Tomorrow is my first DE Upper. NO problem.

However, I want to hit my chest more as my tris and shoulders seem to get hit the most.

I’m thinking of doing an isolation chest movement (flies or whatever) right after the DE.

Any thoughts?

AD

First, I would still squat on DE days. I do both speed squats and speed dead every DE lower day. If I am feeling slow on the squats, I will reduce the weight. If I am feeling slow on deads, I might only do 3-5 sets instead of 8-10. If you form goes to shit on any set just stop. Speed work should be done with close to perfect form. If it breaks down then the weight is too heavy.
The whole point of speed work is train speed not strength. However, you should take a few heavy singles every couple of weeks on DE days. NOT a max effort. If you miss then you fucked up.

Flies are dumb. Don’t do them. My chest usually gets a pretty nice pump from DB work…inclines more than flat.

Thanks for the Reply, Pemdas,

You would still do squats (let’s say narrow stance speed squats) on DE day, even if you did wide stance box squats on ME day?

AD[/quote]

I use a wider stance on DE days than on ME days. My feet are out as far as the rack will let me on DE days. I bring it in a few inches on ME work. Heavy really wide stance ME work beats up my hips too much.

1/6/2008 ME Lower
squat
bar x 5
95 x 5
135 x 5
185 x 3
225 x 3
255 x 3
275 x 5
305 x 3
330 x 3 (belt)
355 x 3 (belt) PR
330 x 5 (no belt)

deads on blocks
135 x 3
225 x 3
315 x 3
365 x 3
405 x 3 PR (baseline)
455 x naught

monkey crunches
BW x 10, 10, 10

Brian’s got a pyramid progression squat program he got and we’re trying that for three weeks. We taped several of my sets and my depth was mostly good. First time free squatting in a while. Felt strong, but those sets are tiring. I was pretty pooped after the squats. After the deads I was dead basically. Scarfed some food and feeling a little more human.

I saw Ozzy last night and that was awesome too.

So what’s the preferred rep/set scheme for all of y’alls assistance exercises?

I know conventional westside style is to do 5 sets for assistance lifts but I’ve been doing mine Kroczaleski style with 1 or 2 warmup sets and 1 working set.

Hey guys. I have begun my own journey into powerlifting as well. I have begun the westside method and other traing methods into my workouts. I began out of the box and out of shape back in july last year with a 305 bench, 295 squat and 295 deadlift. 3 mothns later in October, I jumped to 405 squat, 340 bench and about a 405 deadlift at 310 lbs. body weight. I love the westide training!

My goal is to compete in the law enforcement olympics in Sarasota Florida in June in all three lifts. I would love to try to get into the 275 weight class and be real competitive. THis will be my first meet. If I can help anyone or better yet, if anyone can offer advice I would love it. Wish me luck.

RE Upper 1/6/08

Poundstone Press (12" Log)

95x10
115x10

Log Press strict

135x10 PR+10lbs

Super set

A1) Lat Pulldown 120lbs 2x10

A2) Hammer curls 25s 2x10

A3) 3 way shoulder raise 15s 1x15

I think I got the flu or something, I didn’t feel to great all day today, tired. Took a nap than decided to just keep it light, have some fun and have short rest periods to work on conditioning a little bit.

The Poundstone Presses are fun, Its basically A log clean and press each rep where you do a quick strict press right from the lap on each rep. go to youtube and type in “Derek Poundstone the viper” to see something amazing. I did the first rep of 135 like this as well.

01/07/08 - Lower (ME)

A) PL Squat (to 14" box for depth)
barx15
135x8
225x5
315x3

belt on…
365x1
405x1
455x1
495x1 (Gym PR +20lbs)
505x0 (got greedy)
455x1

B) 3" Deficit DL
135x6
225x6
315x6
405x6
435x8! (PR +10lbs and 2 reps)

C) Lat Pulldown (Double Single Handles) 45 sec rest
80x10
110x8
110x8
110x8
90x8
90x8

D1) Rope Crunch
10x10
120x10
120x10

D2) Weighted Situp
+35x10
+35x10
+35x10

Had a training partner today, so we pushed each other on the rest between sets.

495 was a 20lb PR over my last gym squat. I hit a 502 at the meet, so I got a little greedy and went for 505. I probably would have had it if I hadn’t taken the 495. Not too worried since I got a big PR.

I was going for 435x6 on the Deficit Deads, but had a little left over, so I got 2 extras. Big improvement here as well.

The rest of the day was pretty much do a set, and just rest long enough for my partner to do a set.

Good day overall.

01/07/08 - Upper (ME)

A) PL Squat (to 14" box for depth)
barx15
135x8
225x5
315x3

belt on…
365x1
405x1
455x1
495x1 (Gym PR +20lbs)
505x0 (got greedy)
455x1

B) 3" Deficit DL
135x6
225x6
315x6
405x6
435x8! (PR +10lbs and 2 reps)

C) Lat Pulldown (Double Single Handles) 45 sec rest
80x10
110x8
110x8
110x8
90x8
90x8

D1) Rope Crunch
10x10
120x10
120x10

D2) Weighted Situp
+35x10
+35x10
+35x10

Had a training partner today, so we pushed each other on the rest between sets.

495 was a 20lb PR over my last gym squat. I hit a 502 at the meet, so I got a little greedy and went for 505. I probably would have had it if I hadn’t taken the 495. Not too worried since I got a big PR.

I was going for 435x6 on the Deficit Deads, but had a little left over, so I got 2 extras. Big improvement here as well.

The rest of the day was pretty much do a set, and just rest long enough for my partner to do a set.

Good day overall.

HELLO,

Question for all experts,

What you guys thinks of Crewpierce split in the physical clinic, since he the only one there who trying to gain strenght…curious to see what you guys think!

here the split;

Mon: Upper Body Strength
Tue: Lower Body Strength
Wed: Off
Thur: Upper body hypertrophy
Fri: Lower body hypertrophy
Sat: Arms day
Sun: Strongman training

Strength days:
4 exercises
32 total sets
Reps are 5,4,3,5,4,3,2,1

Hypertrophy days:
4 exercises
16 total sets
Reps are 12,10,8,6

Arms:
6 exercises
26 total sets
Reps are a mixture of 10,8,6,10,8,6 ; 12,10,8,6 ; and 8-10

POSTED HERE BECAUSE I WANT WESTSIDE OR POWERLIFTINGS EXPERTS

[quote]Rampage74 wrote:
HELLO,

Question for all experts,

What you guys thinks of Crewpierce split in the physical clinic, since he the only one there who trying to gain strenght…curious to see what you guys think!

here the split;

Mon: Upper Body Strength
Tue: Lower Body Strength
Wed: Off
Thur: Upper body hypertrophy
Fri: Lower body hypertrophy
Sat: Arms day
Sun: Strongman training

Strength days:
4 exercises
32 total sets
Reps are 5,4,3,5,4,3,2,1

Hypertrophy days:
4 exercises
16 total sets
Reps are 12,10,8,6

Arms:
6 exercises
26 total sets
Reps are a mixture of 10,8,6,10,8,6 ; 12,10,8,6 ; and 8-10

POSTED HERE BECAUSE I WANT WESTSIDE OR POWERLIFTINGS EXPERTS

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He isn’t training for powerlifting, nor is this a westside like template or a powerlifting program at for that matter. So, why do want our opinion?

1/7/08: ME Lower

Weight: 193

Sumo Dead:
135x10
285x5
225x5
275x3
315x3
365x1
405x0 (x2)
365x1

Safety Bar Squat(box):
barx8
145x5
215x5x3
215x3 My left arm went a little numb

SLDL:
225x3 way to heavy after all that
185x5x4

Cable Pull Through:
200x10
240x10x5

Behind Neck Pulldown (abs):
70x12
70x10x3
70x7

Pissed that I missed 405 again on deads, I got the bar a few inches off the ground but I just got the feeling that if I tried to finish it something would have happened, that and my back was completely rounded. I took a video of the 315 and 365 lifts, its painfully obvious that my upper back is horribly weak.

Safety Bar killed me, on my last set my left arm went kind of numb so I decided to call it after 3, other than that they felt good, I went wide and to the box without any booster seat.

[quote]Pemdas wrote:
Rampage74 wrote:
HELLO,

Question for all experts,

What you guys thinks of Crewpierce split in the physical clinic, since he the only one there who trying to gain strenght…curious to see what you guys think!

here the split;

Mon: Upper Body Strength
Tue: Lower Body Strength
Wed: Off
Thur: Upper body hypertrophy
Fri: Lower body hypertrophy
Sat: Arms day
Sun: Strongman training

Strength days:
4 exercises
32 total sets
Reps are 5,4,3,5,4,3,2,1

Hypertrophy days:
4 exercises
16 total sets
Reps are 12,10,8,6

Arms:
6 exercises
26 total sets
Reps are a mixture of 10,8,6,10,8,6 ; 12,10,8,6 ; and 8-10

POSTED HERE BECAUSE I WANT WESTSIDE OR POWERLIFTINGS EXPERTS

He isn’t training for powerlifting, nor is this a westside like template or a powerlifting program at for that matter. So, why do want our opinion?
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Curious that all…

My thoughts were those 2 hypertrophy days were similar to redays.

Also about the reps scheme on max effort,5-4-3,5-4-3-2-1…vs the usual westside scheme?? not much difference i think but again curious to get somes opinion!!