Westside/PLing Training Thread

[quote]Modi wrote:
Thanks Matt. That was a shitsuck fest as far as I’m concerned.

09/26/07 - Upper (ME)

A) Flat bench
barx40
95x15
135x10
185x8
225x5
275x3
315x1
345x1
365xmiss (WTF???)
365xmiss (meow)
315x2

B) Incline DB Press
60x8
75x5
90x5
100x5
110x5
110x5
110x4

C) Overhead Triceps Extensions
70x10
90x10
110x10 (Baseline PR)
120x8 (Baseline PR)

D1) Lateral Delt Raise
25x10
35x10
45x10
40x8
35x8

D2) DB Hammer Curl
45x10
40x10
35x10

Bench sucked.

Here are my excuses in no particular order:

  1. I went into it predicting it would be a bad day
  2. I wasn’t strong enough to lift the weight today
  3. I sucked
  4. I had a shitty spotter (just kidding Matt)

No, really, no excuses, next week will be much better. Today really wasn’t any better or worse than I expected, just the usual shitty day after taking some time off.

PR’s in overhead tri’s were because I haven’t had access to the 110’s or 120’s before, but they felt pretty good.
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the whore is back!! i did a little whore’n of my own yesterday. i felt so dirty and my shower couldn’t get me clean:)
Good to have you back!!

i always have horrible first session back when i take an extended vacation as well. I’m sure you will be back throwing out those big PR’s in no time.

meat

[quote]jthsiao wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
ME squat
I was whoring it up tonight… i think i’m going to the free clinic tomorrow and get checked out:)

box squat (12inch box)
590x2PR

zercher squats (starting at bottom off pins)
455x2PR

good mornings to pins
405x2 I think this was a PR, but i haven’t done them heavy in awhile.

Make sure you go to a clinic that is sufficiently equipped to handle someone of your whoring caliber. I wouldn’t want the doctors/nurses to faint when you ask them to examine the aftermath of having 590 on your back.[/quote]

Well… i went into the clinic and the nurse I got kept throwing out questions that I didn’t understand… She asked if i have ever “thrown a hotdog down a hallway”, “parked a bicycle in an airplane hanger”, or “tossed a toothpick into a volcano”. i feel so used…

meat

ME Lower:

I took an extra days rest because I was feeling so beat up. Think I’ll stick to a Tue/Th Sat from now on, it fits my schedule well.

Conventional Deadlifts:

bar x20
60kg x10
100kg x5
140kg x1
160kg x1
185.8kg x1 (PR +3.2kg)

That PR went up so easily (once at shin height) that I TOTALLY forgot to do the usual drop set. I didn’t remember until I was in the middle of my next lifts. hope it does not screw anything up by not doing it.

I can tell my weak point in the DL is breaking the weight from the floor, because once moving it’s pretty easy to lock out.

Front BB Squats:

80kg x1
90kg x1
100kg x1
105kg x1
90 kg x3
80 kg x5

I really didn’t know what my 1RM was on this exercise, so I did singles until I got the feel of where I should be, then dropped the weight and upped the reps. Perhaps I should have done more.

Good Mornings:

65kg x10, 10
70kg x10 (tied PR)

Next week is upping to all at 25 kg…I *reallllyyy felt it in the hammies today.

Standing cable crunch (on latpulldown machine)

6th down: 12, 9, 8, 6.

That’s it for today. As always, comments/criticisms are welcomed (as long as you don’t bag on how weak I am. :wink: )

AD

(edited to fix amounts on the GM’s. :stuck_out_tongue: )

[quote]Phill wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
novaeer wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
ME squat
I was whoring it up tonight… i think i’m going to the free clinic tomorrow and get checked out:)

box squat (12inch box)
0x10
135x6
225x4
315x4
405x4
495x2
590x2PR

zercher squats (starting at bottom off pins)
225x6
315x4
405x2
455x2PR

good mornings to pins
135x6
225x6
315x4
405x2 I think this was a PR, but i haven’t done them heavy in awhile.

Abs

best training in awhile.

meat

Uh, how’s your back feel right now? Should be fun lacing up the shoes tomorrow. That’s some serious shit. Congrats on the PRs.

for the first time in awhile, my back feels great. it feels like shit when i neglect it. i have a bad habit of blowing off lower back and ab work because they get strong quickly, but they also get weak quickly as well.

abs and lower back are going to be done regularly for now on.

question for you- can you sleep on your back? i can only sleep on my side. if i lay on my back for any length of time, my lower back starts to hurt. i think it has to do with have a thick upper back which leaves a big gap in my lower back. it feels like the longer i lay there, my lower back kind of drops and then the pain sets in. it usually take a good part of the morning to get back to normal.

other than that the back feels great. thanks for asking!

meat

Damn fine work Met I have a shit ton of sqautting ti do to even get close to you. maybe if we hacked the extar 4 inches off my legs itd help :slight_smile: Just a short cut if you will.

Killer session

I agree on the sleeping thing I always slept on my back and still start that way but wake up Fucked and go to my side,

The new GF has one of those tempurpedic beds that has seemed to help a bit

Phill
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are you calling me short?? i’m not short… i’m vertically challenged:) besides wider is better!!

The new girlfriend has a temperpedic, huh… i’m sure ol’ Philly is breaking that one in:)

meat

[quote]Norweige wrote:
9/26/07 DE Lower

A)DE Dead
135 x 2
225 x 2
365 x 1 x 5

These felt tight, fast and consistent. Doing some heavy rep work on the DL has done a lot for my confidence and technique.

B)42" Box Jump=BW x 3 x 3

C)32" Single-Leg Box Jump=BW x 3 x 3 each leg

D)42" Box Jump=BW x 5

E)DE 12" Box Squat
Bar x 5
Bar + light bands x 2
135 + light bands x 2
225 + light bands x 2 x 3 slow as molasses

I spent all my pop on the box jumps, but because I kind of fear getting too far away from speed work off the low box I tried it anyways. I should have dropped the load, or at least the bands, or maybe the exercise all together, but being a stubborn bastard I thought I could pick up my speed. Fortunately, I aborted before it got really ugly.

F)Pistol Squat off 16" Box=BW x 12 x 2

G)GMs to pin # 10 (waistband level), paused on pins
Bar x 8
135 x 3
205 x 5 x 3, easy but a starting point

Man, these are a keeper. I noticed some of you are a fan of these and after doing them I can tell why. Fighting out of that dead stop should do wonders for low back/hammy strength and upper back tightness.

H)Poor Man’s Landmine=20 x 8 x 3

NOTES: Damn, I’m all the way to the letter “H” now in some of my workouts. This took me about 90 minutes. I did significantly less volume on the jumping than last week. To be honest, I have no idea how much to do, so I rested between sets until I felt recovered and stopped doing them once I lost some pop.

My right knee talked to me a little on the single-leg box jump landings, but has felt pretty good over the last couple days. I’ve been doing lots of soft tissue work around my ankles and knees. I do believe I mildly strained my right pec minor when doing the box jumps with all my crazy arm flailings. Friday’s pressing may have to get skipped this week.[/quote]

Damn dude, my legs would be on fire after that one. No wonder your box squats were slow :wink:

Nice work!

[quote]Pemdas wrote:
ME Upper

2 Board - I let the weight sink in and paused for a second.
This was my first time doing this as a ME movement.

Warm-up…no boards
135x3
155x3
175x3
195x3

Added Boards
225x1
245x1
265x1 - I was hoping for to hit this today.
275x1 - (Base line PR) Holy nut sacks, I didn’t see this one coming.

1-Arm DB press
65x4x10

BW = 182 today + 2lbs for shoes

Chin-Ups
BW+45x3x5
BW+45x2x3

Dips
BW+70x4x6 - Didn’t see this coming either. I was going to use 60, but I didn’t feel like put three plates through the chain, so I said f&ck it and just went for a plate and quarter.

Decline Sit-up
10lbx4x6

Great Fing Day.

DONE!![/quote]

Nice PRs!

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

the whore is back!! i did a little whore’n of my own yesterday. i felt so dirty and my shower couldn’t get me clean:)
Good to have you back!!

i always have horrible first session back when i take an extended vacation as well. I’m sure you will be back throwing out those big PR’s in no time.

meat
[/quote]
Nice, I saw you were whoring it up yesterday. There should be no need to go to a clinic as long as you keep it clean, and don’t show any signs of leakage.

I’ve found that if you surround yourself with other whores, it is much more acceptable, and you will have a better self image of yourself. It takes time, but you will get used to it. Don’t be ashamed.

It is funny though about the first session back. I knew it was going to suck, and knew what the smart approach would have been, but still chose not to listen to myself. I’m actually looking forward to making a couple of changes to my program. Numbers should be back to normal next week.

The last time I did overhead tri’s, I did the 100’s for 28 reps, so I was ready for something a bit heavier. 110x10 was actually more of a warmup even though it was a PR because I had never used the 110’s before. The 120x8 was the only legit set there.

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
ME Lower:

Conventional Deadlifts:
185.8kg x1 (PR +3.2kg)

Front BB Squats:
105kg x1

Good Mornings:
70kg x10 (tied PR)
[/quote]
Good job on the PRs!

185.8kg = 409.6lbs according to Google, so you’re officially past the 4 plate marker (for us using the Imperial system)! Wanna join in on the race to 500?

Great job on the front squats as well. I’m gonna try those tomorrow after Kalle showed me the ropes last week. 105kg is 231.5lb, which is BIG! I was learning with 135s last week and that was already quite a grind.

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
(as long as you don’t bag on how weak I am. :wink: )
[/quote]
I don’t think anyone here would do that, as long as you continue to make progress like you have. Keep going there, Bud!

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
The new girlfriend has a temperpedic, huh… i’m sure ol’ Philly is breaking that one in:)
[/quote]
As long as he doesn’t repeat his “accident” with the bosu ball, I think Phill will be fine. :wink:

2007-9-27

RE Upper push Cycle 3
Bench
bar X 20
135x10
205 3x8

OHP
barx15
95x10
130x8,7,7

Rolling triceps Extensions
40’s 4x6

That’s it.

Man, the pump I’m getting from doing 6 to 8 reps is ridiculous. These really seem to be helping my ME days more than doing DE work did. Seems to ‘fill in the spaces’ in my grooves for the main lifts. Not in the PR zone yet, but I can feel the momentum building to it.

Had to take a day off btwn RE lower day and today as I was still tired yesterday. Just wanted to sleep all day, but didn’t have time.

[quote]Modi wrote:
novaeer wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:

for the first time in awhile, my back feels great. it feels like shit when i neglect it. i have a bad habit of blowing off lower back and ab work because they get strong quickly, but they also get weak quickly as well.

abs and lower back are going to be done regularly for now on.

question for you- can you sleep on your back? i can only sleep on my side. if i lay on my back for any length of time, my lower back starts to hurt. i think it has to do with have a thick upper back which leaves a big gap in my lower back. it feels like the longer i lay there, my lower back kind of drops and then the pain sets in. it usually take a good part of the morning to get back to normal.

other than that the back feels great. thanks for asking!

meat

Heavy good ams wreck the shit out of my lower back. I think I sprained my SI joint one time on them so I’m a little reticent to go heavy on them.

As far as sleeping on my back, I can do it but my wife prefers that I don’t. Otherwise, I turn into a chainsaw buzzing through a stand of redwoods with my snoring. It’s not apnea and it’s not weight related. I’ve always been a big-league snorer, can match up with the best of them.

I think my dad is the only one who can beat me. What kind of mattress do you have on your bed? We have one of those uber-thick pillow mattresses plus a mattress pad on top of that. I’m stiff for a few minutes in the morning, but OK after a few minutes walking around.

My problem is the tightness in my hips and knees since I have to drive into Arlington every day and I’ve got a desk job. If I don’t move around and stretch at work, they get tighter than a slingshot.

Haha, I was going to say the same thing. I can fall asleep instantly on my back and snore away, but for some reason as soon as my wife jams her elbow into my ribs I wake right back up. I can do this several times in a row, but somehow the elbow alway shows back up.

[sarcasm]Wouldn’t it be just aweful to have so much upper back mass that you couldn’t lie on your back?[/sarcasm] [/quote]

Well hell you gusy dont have a sleeping or snoring prob you have wife probs :slight_smile: Fix the root of the problems not the symptoms Ha

Phill

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
ME Lower:

I took an extra days rest because I was feeling so beat up. Think I’ll stick to a Tue/Th Sat from now on, it fits my schedule well.

Conventional Deadlifts:

bar x20
60kg x10
100kg x5
140kg x1
160kg x1
185.8kg x1 (PR +3.2kg)

That PR went up so easily (once at shin height) that I TOTALLY forgot to do the usual drop set. I didn’t remember until I was in the middle of my next lifts. hope it does not screw anything up by not doing it.

I can tell my weak point in the DL is breaking the weight from the floor, because once moving it’s pretty easy to lock out.

Front BB Squats:

80kg x1
90kg x1
100kg x1
105kg x1
90 kg x3
80 kg x5

I really didn’t know what my 1RM was on this exercise, so I did singles until I got the feel of where I should be, then dropped the weight and upped the reps. Perhaps I should have done more.

Good Mornings:

65kg x10, 10
70kg x10 (tied PR)

Next week is upping to all at 25 kg…I *reallllyyy felt it in the hammies today.

Standing cable crunch (on latpulldown machine)

6th down: 12, 9, 8, 6.

That’s it for today. As always, comments/criticisms are welcomed (as long as you don’t bag on how weak I am. :wink: )

AD

(edited to fix amounts on the GM’s. :stuck_out_tongue: )[/quote]
Good work on that DL PR and it was prob better you walked away with that PR, more so because you have been feeling beat up. You did the work for the day

That said the volumizer prob would have done 4-5 drop sets LOL

Phill

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Phill wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
novaeer wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
ME squat
I was whoring it up tonight… i think i’m going to the free clinic tomorrow and get checked out:)

box squat (12inch box)
0x10
135x6
225x4
315x4
405x4
495x2
590x2PR

zercher squats (starting at bottom off pins)
225x6
315x4
405x2
455x2PR

good mornings to pins
135x6
225x6
315x4
405x2 I think this was a PR, but i haven’t done them heavy in awhile.

Abs

best training in awhile.

meat

Uh, how’s your back feel right now? Should be fun lacing up the shoes tomorrow. That’s some serious shit. Congrats on the PRs.

for the first time in awhile, my back feels great. it feels like shit when i neglect it. i have a bad habit of blowing off lower back and ab work because they get strong quickly, but they also get weak quickly as well.

abs and lower back are going to be done regularly for now on.

question for you- can you sleep on your back? i can only sleep on my side. if i lay on my back for any length of time, my lower back starts to hurt. i think it has to do with have a thick upper back which leaves a big gap in my lower back. it feels like the longer i lay there, my lower back kind of drops and then the pain sets in. it usually take a good part of the morning to get back to normal.

other than that the back feels great. thanks for asking!

meat

Damn fine work Met I have a shit ton of sqautting ti do to even get close to you. maybe if we hacked the extar 4 inches off my legs itd help :slight_smile: Just a short cut if you will.

Killer session

I agree on the sleeping thing I always slept on my back and still start that way but wake up Fucked and go to my side,

The new GF has one of those tempurpedic beds that has seemed to help a bit

Phill

are you calling me short?? i’m not short… i’m vertically challenged:) besides wider is better!!

The new girlfriend has a temperpedic, huh… i’m sure ol’ Philly is breaking that one in:)

meat

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Yhea yhea that the excuse all you hobbits give. its just like the old excuse of it aint the size of the tool but how you use it. What ever makes you feel better :slight_smile:

Oh its a memory foam and it sure as hell remembers me :slight_smile:

Phill

Thursday, 9/27/2007: ME Overhead

A. Overhead Press
115 x 8
125 x 3
130 x 0
130 x 2
135 x 1 (baseline PR)
130 x 1
130 x 1
125 x 3

B. Dumbbell Bench Press
75 x 8
75 x 6
75 x 4
75 x 3

C. Dumbbell Row
85 x 12
85 x 9
85 x 12
85 x 9

D. Chest-Supported Rear Raise
10 x 4 sets x 15

For overhead presses today, I stuck to the form that Kalle taught me last week, which is feet side-to-side (instead of one front one back) and drive the head through after pressing the bar past the head. This made the exercise a lot more difficult because I used to be able to lean back and press with my chest more, and now, it’s much harder to cheat. This is almost turning out to be a whole new different exercise for me. :stuck_out_tongue:

On the plus side, I’m rowing more and more these days. I was able to hold on to the 85’s okay today, but I did start to take a lot of time in between sets to rest my grip. When I didn’t take as much time, such as before the second and fourth set, my grip gave out around the 9th rep.

Oh, and as bad as commercial gyms are, today was a whole new other level (or depth, depending on how you look at it). Aside from the regular elevator/pop music, there’s an “event” going on at my gym today, to get more memberships I presume.

They had a DJ and these recruiters for some martial arts school and some other organizations and whatnot. The DJ has his own speakers and was blasting “upbeat” music like “The Love Shack” while the stereo system for the gym has its usual stuff. It was just a lot of uninspiring noise, where I couldn’t even block out of my head. Yuck! I went to the front desk and found out that today was the last day. Thankfully, I won’t have to deal with that crap tomorrow.

[quote]jthsiao wrote:
Thursday, 9/27/2007: ME Overhead

A. Overhead Press
115 x 8
125 x 3
130 x 0
130 x 2
135 x 1 (baseline PR)
130 x 1
130 x 1
125 x 3

B. Dumbbell Bench Press
75 x 8
75 x 6
75 x 4
75 x 3

C. Dumbbell Row
85 x 12
85 x 9
85 x 12
85 x 9

D. Chest-Supported Rear Raise
10 x 4 sets x 15

For overhead presses today, I stuck to the form that Kalle taught me last week, which is feet side-to-side (instead of one front one back) and drive the head through after pressing the bar past the head. This made the exercise a lot more difficult because I used to be able to lean back and press with my chest more, and now, it’s much harder to cheat. This is almost turning out to be a whole new different exercise for me. :stuck_out_tongue:

On the plus side, I’m rowing more and more these days. I was able to hold on to the 85’s okay today, but I did start to take a lot of time in between sets to rest my grip. When I didn’t take as much time, such as before the second and fourth set, my grip gave out around the 9th rep.

Oh, and as bad as commercial gyms are, today was a whole new other level (or depth, depending on how you look at it). Aside from the regular elevator/pop music, there’s an “event” going on at my gym today, to get more memberships I presume.

They had a DJ and these recruiters for some martial arts school and some other organizations and whatnot. The DJ has his own speakers and was blasting “upbeat” music like “The Love Shack” while the stereo system for the gym has its usual stuff. It was just a lot of uninspiring noise, where I couldn’t even block out of my head. Yuck! I went to the front desk and found out that today was the last day. Thankfully, I won’t have to deal with that crap tomorrow.[/quote]

Nice pressing J!

I’ve found that strengthening my grip has made my upper back stronger. And that making my upper back stronger improved my pressing.

Stories like yours remind me why I bought all that lifting equipment… 'Course, I don’t get any good stories for the SRC thread either. The only guy doing jerkwad stuff at my gym would be…me.

Got an iPod?

Bench Press
5x45
5x70
5x95
5x120
3x145
3x170
3x195
3x215 5lb PR

Chin-up
BWx6x9

3 Way Shoulder Raise Superset
10x3x12

Dip
BW+15x2x15
BW+15x13

The third set of the shoulder superset required some pauses. Just for kicks, I’m going to start notating when I hit PRs.

[quote]jthsiao wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
ME Lower:

Conventional Deadlifts:
185.8kg x1 (PR +3.2kg)

Front BB Squats:
105kg x1

Good Mornings:
70kg x10 (tied PR)

Good job on the PRs!

185.8kg = 409.6lbs according to Google, so you’re officially past the 4 plate marker (for us using the Imperial system)! Wanna join in on the race to 500?

Great job on the front squats as well. I’m gonna try those tomorrow after Kalle showed me the ropes last week. 105kg is 231.5lb, which is BIG! I was learning with 135s last week and that was already quite a grind.

AlphaDragon wrote:
(as long as you don’t bag on how weak I am. :wink: )

I don’t think anyone here would do that, as long as you continue to make progress like you have. Keep going there, Bud![/quote]

Thanks for the words, bro.

Race to 500?? Seems you guys are a bit ahead of me, but sure, I’m game.

[quote]Phill wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
ME Lower:

I took an extra days rest because I was feeling so beat up. Think I’ll stick to a Tue/Th Sat from now on, it fits my schedule well.

Conventional Deadlifts:

bar x20
60kg x10
100kg x5
140kg x1
160kg x1
185.8kg x1 (PR +3.2kg)

That PR went up so easily (once at shin height) that I TOTALLY forgot to do the usual drop set. I didn’t remember until I was in the middle of my next lifts. hope it does not screw anything up by not doing it.

I can tell my weak point in the DL is breaking the weight from the floor, because once moving it’s pretty easy to lock out.

Front BB Squats:

80kg x1
90kg x1
100kg x1
105kg x1
90 kg x3
80 kg x5

I really didn’t know what my 1RM was on this exercise, so I did singles until I got the feel of where I should be, then dropped the weight and upped the reps. Perhaps I should have done more.

Good Mornings:

65kg x10, 10
70kg x10 (tied PR)

Next week is upping to all at 25 kg…I *reallllyyy felt it in the hammies today.

Standing cable crunch (on latpulldown machine)

6th down: 12, 9, 8, 6.

That’s it for today. As always, comments/criticisms are welcomed (as long as you don’t bag on how weak I am. :wink: )

AD

(edited to fix amounts on the GM’s. :stuck_out_tongue: )
Good work on that DL PR and it was prob better you walked away with that PR, more so because you have been feeling beat up. You did the work for the day

That said the volumizer prob would have done 4-5 drop sets LOL

Phill[/quote]

Yeah no doubt…but I’m not trying to take that title from ya.

Yet. :stuck_out_tongue:

thanks for the words and I was leaning toward believing what you stated before you posted. Thanks for confirming it.

AD

[quote]jthsiao wrote:
Thursday, 9/27/2007: ME Overhead

A. Overhead Press
115 x 8
125 x 3
130 x 0
130 x 2
135 x 1 (baseline PR)
130 x 1
130 x 1
125 x 3

B. Dumbbell Bench Press
75 x 8
75 x 6
75 x 4
75 x 3

C. Dumbbell Row
85 x 12
85 x 9
85 x 12
85 x 9

D. Chest-Supported Rear Raise
10 x 4 sets x 15

For overhead presses today, I stuck to the form that Kalle taught me last week, which is feet side-to-side (instead of one front one back) and drive the head through after pressing the bar past the head. This made the exercise a lot more difficult because I used to be able to lean back and press with my chest more, and now, it’s much harder to cheat. This is almost turning out to be a whole new different exercise for me. :stuck_out_tongue:

On the plus side, I’m rowing more and more these days. I was able to hold on to the 85’s okay today, but I did start to take a lot of time in between sets to rest my grip. When I didn’t take as much time, such as before the second and fourth set, my grip gave out around the 9th rep.

Oh, and as bad as commercial gyms are, today was a whole new other level (or depth, depending on how you look at it). Aside from the regular elevator/pop music, there’s an “event” going on at my gym today, to get more memberships I presume.

They had a DJ and these recruiters for some martial arts school and some other organizations and whatnot. The DJ has his own speakers and was blasting “upbeat” music like “The Love Shack” while the stereo system for the gym has its usual stuff. It was just a lot of uninspiring noise, where I couldn’t even block out of my head. Yuck! I went to the front desk and found out that today was the last day. Thankfully, I won’t have to deal with that crap tomorrow.[/quote]

Yeah dude don’t turn the OH into some standing incline bench press crap, and you should have enough stability to do them without resorting to a split stance.

Have you ever tried push presses? Might be a good idea down the road if the strict pressing stalls out.

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Race to 500?? Seems you guys are a bit ahead of me, but sure, I’m game.[/quote]

Well, the guy that’s really ahead is Pemdas. His last pull was at 475. But, we might have to disqualify him once we can prove that that he’s actually not human… :wink:

Kalle’s next at 425, and I’m bringing up the rear at 405 this last week. You’re a bit ahead of me as is, so at least you’re not last. :stuck_out_tongue:

Oh, and jtrinsey and elliotnewman1 were part of the original group in this race, but they haven’t posted in a while, so I don’t know what their lifts are like now. jtrinsey is focused on volleyball for his school and elliotnewman1 is still lurking around but haven’t posted in a while. Maybe they’ll make a come back and blow us all out of the water.