Westside/PLing Training Thread

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
ME squat
squat (wide stance)
0x10
135x6
225x6
315x6
405x6
495x4
585x4PR
675x4PR
730x2PR
495x8 paused
405x6 ATG paused

walking lunges
135x 2laps across gym
135x 4 laps

doens’t look like much but it kicked my ass.
finished with some abs. I suck at abs.

I’m down to 248 now.

meat[/quote]

Damn heavy squatting man! Good work, did you have some briefs on or anything? Just curious.

Also please don’t include “730x2 and doesn’t look like much” together ever again! That shit looks brutal, than keep it off with some paused squats, brutal.

[quote]Norweige wrote:

This is a great question. I had someone watch me one day to make sure when I was on the box, the bands were perpendicular to the floor–i.e., the line between the bar and where I had them anchored was straight. I just always choke them in that same spot on each side of the rack and place the box in the same spot too.

I suppose anchoring them farther in front of you would really help teach you to keep your upper back arched and head up. I agree with you in thinking anchoring them behind you would actually assist you in staying upright. Either way, it wouldn’t take a big shift of the anchor point to change things dramatically.

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Setting bands up for the squat when you have to walk it out is a pain in the ass, especially when you get up to anything more than the green bands. You do want them to be slightly in front of the box. You’ll know when you’ve gone too far as you’ll be pulled forward. Basically, if it doesn’t feel like your normal squat groove, adjust them until things feel ‘right’.

09/05/07

DE Squat/DL

Box squat (12", real low)

Bar x 5
95 x 5
135 x 5
185 x 2
225 x 2 (added briefs)
275 x 2 x 2 (added belt)
295 x 2 x 2
315 x 2 x 2

Rack pulls
315 x 2 x 3 (hook grip)
405 x 2 x 3 (hook grip)
475 x 3 (alternating grip)

Decline sit-ups
BWx15,BW+5# behind head x 12,BW+10# behind head x 12

Notes: Not a good box to be found in the resort’s gym, so had to settle on an aerobic step box. However, there were only a few of the stack thingies and the box was just 12" off the ground. This had me sqwattin’ at least 3" below parallel. I haven’t squatted this low in a long time and it felt like my ass was scraping the ground.

I wasn’t using a lot of weight today so the speed was good on the actual working sets. The squat feels right on for the meet, so I’m stoked to see how things work out.

Was going to do some speed pulls, but I didn’t want to freak out the attendant with the plates hitting the floor. I did these from about 3 inches below the knee, which is just below my sticking point, and I wanted to work up to my opener for a triple. All the reps came up without even a bit of struggle, so that’s reassuring since I usually have to strain a little to get the bar moving off the pins with anything over 4.5 plates a side.

Since it was this easy using a Jessup power bar (which feels as thick as a coke can), I feel really good about how the DL will go with a Texas deadlift bar (thinner, and a little extra whip). I’m looking for something like 475-500-525, but since it’s the last lift in the meet and putting on/taking off gear fatigues a bit, we’ll see if the battle plan makes it past the first shot.

WHORE and thats all I got to say about that :slight_smile:

Damn fine squatting bro

Phill

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
ME squat
squat (wide stance)
0x10
135x6
225x6
315x6
405x6
495x4
585x4PR
675x4PR
730x2PR
495x8 paused
405x6 ATG paused

walking lunges
135x 2laps across gym
135x 4 laps

doens’t look like much but it kicked my ass.
finished with some abs. I suck at abs.

I’m down to 248 now.

meat[/quote]

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
ME squat
squat (wide stance)
0x10
135x6
225x6
315x6
405x6
495x4
585x4PR
675x4PR
730x2PR
495x8 paused
405x6 ATG paused

walking lunges
135x 2laps across gym
135x 4 laps

doens’t look like much but it kicked my ass.
finished with some abs. I suck at abs.

I’m down to 248 now.

meat[/quote]

Meat, you are a god damned beast.

Takin’ a break. Was trying out a different (non-westside) program (boring to read so I stopped posting) and managed to seriously overtrain myself. I now wander around my house in a funky daze in my underwear looking for edible material.

Thank god I work at home.

Meat’s still putting up the monster numbers I see. Congratulations on the weight loss!

What happens when an irresistable force hits an immovable object? Well if your finger is between them, IT HURTS LIKE HELL.

The incline bench I was using for overhead presses was a bit high. I’d put 50lbs DB on the ground then stack the working DBs on top. That put them almost in reach. I sorta lost balance a week or so ago and smashed a finger with a 55lb DB. It was not bad enough to really cause problems, but it was bad enough to bruise on both sides make me realize it would be easy to cut a finger off.

Inspired by that mistake, I made a corner press… uh… apparatus. It’s amazingly simple, stable and mostly safe. It allows me to easily do drop sets and also do unilateral or 2-handed work.

The safety chains are always on the MONO anyway, so I just borrowed one.

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BTW, before he can make such claims - Meat you are not an “irresistible” force.

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
ME squat
squat (wide stance)
0x10
135x6
225x6
315x6
405x6
495x4
585x4PR
675x4PR
730x2PR
495x8 paused
405x6 ATG paused

walking lunges
135x 2laps across gym
135x 4 laps

doens’t look like much but it kicked my ass.
finished with some abs. I suck at abs.

I’m down to 248 now.

meat[/quote]

[sarcasm]This must be a deloading week. I only see two exercises here, and you only did two sets of lunges.

Ah well, get back at it next week I suppose :wink: [/sarcasm]

Nice job on the squat PR’s!

[quote]Kalle wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
ME squat
squat (wide stance)
0x10
135x6
225x6
315x6
405x6
495x4
585x4PR
675x4PR
730x2PR
495x8 paused
405x6 ATG paused

walking lunges
135x 2laps across gym
135x 4 laps

doens’t look like much but it kicked my ass.
finished with some abs. I suck at abs.

I’m down to 248 now.

meat

Damn heavy squatting man! Good work, did you have some briefs on or anything? Just curious.

Also please don’t include “730x2 and doesn’t look like much” together ever again! That shit looks brutal, than keep it off with some paused squats, brutal. [/quote]

thanks!! i wore a pair of inzer power pants and knee wraps. the power pants don’t give me any resistance at the bottom. I wear them to keep my hips tight when going wide.

it was a tough one but i think i may be good for 750 for one when i’m fresh. the hard part is stepping out with it. the rack i use has a diamond plate base that is elivated off the floor a couple of inches. when the weight starts to get heavy the base flexes under your feet.

thanks again,
meat

[quote]Phill wrote:
WHORE and thats all I got to say about that :slight_smile:

Damn fine squatting bro

Phill

maraudermeat wrote:
ME squat
squat (wide stance)
0x10
135x6
225x6
315x6
405x6
495x4
585x4PR
675x4PR
730x2PR
495x8 paused
405x6 ATG paused

walking lunges
135x 2laps across gym
135x 4 laps

doens’t look like much but it kicked my ass.
finished with some abs. I suck at abs.

I’m down to 248 now.

meat

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yeah, i know. i had to take TWO morning after pills today:)

meat

[quote]Carnak wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
ME squat
squat (wide stance)
0x10
135x6
225x6
315x6
405x6
495x4
585x4PR
675x4PR
730x2PR
495x8 paused
405x6 ATG paused

walking lunges
135x 2laps across gym
135x 4 laps

doens’t look like much but it kicked my ass.
finished with some abs. I suck at abs.

I’m down to 248 now.

meat

Meat, you are a god damned beast.

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I squat well… that’s about it.

you aren’t too far from me. I live in Bristow and train at the Gold’s in Manassas. we are starting to get a Va. crew here. Novaeer is also from our parts. I’m impressed by the fact that he hasn’t gotten kicked out of Lifetime yet:)

meat

[quote]skidmark wrote:

I now wander around my house in a funky daze in my underwear looking for edible material.

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this could describe any night of the week around 2 in the a.m. at my house… minus the underwear :slight_smile:

meat

[quote]4est wrote:

BTW, before he can make such claims - Meat you are not an “irresistible” force.
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you haven’t seen me doing ATG squats in a thong have you??? no i didn’t think so. So i beg to differ.

meat

[quote]Modi wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
ME squat
squat (wide stance)
0x10
135x6
225x6
315x6
405x6
495x4
585x4PR
675x4PR
730x2PR
495x8 paused
405x6 ATG paused

walking lunges
135x 2laps across gym
135x 4 laps

doens’t look like much but it kicked my ass.
finished with some abs. I suck at abs.

I’m down to 248 now.

meat

[sarcasm]This must be a deloading week. I only see two exercises here, and you only did two sets of lunges.

Ah well, get back at it next week I suppose :wink: [/sarcasm]

Nice job on the squat PR’s!
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thanks!! I made my training partner call me Modi through the whole training session. And when I hit a PR I made him yell- “YOU WHORE!!!”

I felt like I needed to take a shower halfway through it:)

meat

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
Carnak wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
ME squat
squat (wide stance)
0x10
135x6
225x6
315x6
405x6
495x4
585x4PR
675x4PR
730x2PR
495x8 paused
405x6 ATG paused

walking lunges
135x 2laps across gym
135x 4 laps

doens’t look like much but it kicked my ass.
finished with some abs. I suck at abs.

I’m down to 248 now.

meat

Meat, you are a god damned beast.

I squat well… that’s about it.

you aren’t too far from me. I live in Bristow and train at the Gold’s in Manassas. we are starting to get a Va. crew here. Novaeer is also from our parts. I’m impressed by the fact that he hasn’t gotten kicked out of Lifetime yet:)

meat
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I train at Gold’s in Bailey’s Crossroads. We should have a NoVA T-Nation training session! And by that I mean you experienced guys show me a bunch of stuff and I ask a ton of questions :wink:

[quote]Carnak wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
Carnak wrote:
maraudermeat wrote:
ME squat
squat (wide stance)
0x10
135x6
225x6
315x6
405x6
495x4
585x4PR
675x4PR
730x2PR
495x8 paused
405x6 ATG paused

walking lunges
135x 2laps across gym
135x 4 laps

doens’t look like much but it kicked my ass.
finished with some abs. I suck at abs.

I’m down to 248 now.

meat

Meat, you are a god damned beast.

I squat well… that’s about it.

you aren’t too far from me. I live in Bristow and train at the Gold’s in Manassas. we are starting to get a Va. crew here. Novaeer is also from our parts. I’m impressed by the fact that he hasn’t gotten kicked out of Lifetime yet:)

meat

I train at Gold’s in Bailey’s Crossroads. We should have a NoVA T-Nation training session! And by that I mean you experienced guys show me a bunch of stuff and I ask a ton of questions ;)[/quote]

Novaeer has a lot of knowledge of equipment, bands, chains, ect. He would be good to ask. I consider myself to be on the shortbus of training. I just lift heavy and try and not mame or kill myself, but i am more than happy to answer questions.

meat

Alrighty then I have a question. Well it might be multiple questions or at least a big ass question with many small parts. Um, anyway.

I just started my Westside split 4 weeks ago and so far, so good (so what! - anyone?). I am historically bad with my exercise choices (I will put several things together then look back at my log and say “What the hell was I thinking?”) so I’m trying to be smarter about this.

I basically have designed my sessions around the basic template, hitting the main movement, triceps, shoulders, back each session. On lower days I hit the main movement, low back, hams, abs, and sometimes quads.

My current lifting schedule looks like this:
Mon - ME lower
Tue - DE upper
Wed - off or cardio or whatever
Thu - DE lower
Fri - ME upper
Sat/Sun - off or cardio

Now my first question is about intensity on ME/DE days and what you guys feel about this. My DE days are definitely DE/RE. This is also kind of the case on my ME days.

I read in one of the template docs that you should have a high intensity/low intensity day for the exercises for each muscle. So if you do heavy rack lockouts as your tricep accessory, you’d want to do extensions or something less intensive on your other day.

I’ve been doing this, but I’ve been putting my high intensity day for accessories on my DE day. I’m now thinking this is maybe not the best way to approach things. This means basically that my main movement is the only thing I go balls out on for ME day so I kinda end up with a fairly high intensity DE day.

I didn’t get it at first, but I think I’m getting it now that this is counterproductive to the idea of DE day. So after all that rambling, the question is should I move the high instensity movements all to ME day and use DE as basically speed and high repetition?

Q2: My lower body is weaksauce compared to upper (my squat is 25 lbs more than my bench, doh) so I’m really trying to hammer it and get it on par. Also, I’m trying to teach myself some new movements and add more stuff to my bag of tricks, so I feel like I can add in some extra things as learning exercises if I keep it light.

Currently I’ve not been getting in both a squat/DL variation on each lower day, but I kinda feel like I need to in order to boost my legs. At least a quad dominant movement as accessory to DL so as not to do heavy squat on the same day as heavy dead. I feel like I need the practice here as well and that extra punishment for my legs is in order.

So with all this in mind a potential lower split might be:
ME:
wide stance squat
RDL
hypers
leg curls (my hams are wayyyyy weak for GHRs yet)
abs

DE:
speed DL
front squat RE
GMs RE
abs

I’ve been switching deadlift and squat as main movement each week.

If you’ve made it through my tome, any thoughts, comments, concerns, flaming bags of poo? (He called the shit poo!)

Been using my CoC grippers a lot lately while my bicep is healing up I closed the #1 for 6 reps was pretty shocked by that! PR+3reps

I guess I will use my gift certificate on a 1.5

Also did the trainer for 2 sets of 20

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
I made my training partner call me Modi through the whole training session. And when I hit a PR I made him yell- “YOU WHORE!!!”
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That’s just messed up.

You should seriously consider counciling :wink:

c.

8/4/07- ME Bench

A)Flat BB Bench
135x6
185x5
225x3
245x3 x2
225x3 x3

B1)Incline DB Bench
85x5 95x5 x2 90x5

B2)Pullups (outside shoulder width)
+45x1 x1 +25x5 +35x5 +45x5

C1)3 Point DB Row
125x6 (wrist killed)

D1)DB Tricep Extension
35x8 x8 x8

D2)Med Neutral Grip Cable Row
180x7 165x8

Notes: Bench was brutally weak. Technique is shit right now. I think I’m regretting getting away from it for so long, but hopefully it’ll come back quickly.

Incline DB was surprisingly weak as well.

DB rows hurt my bad wrist.

Triceps sore as hell even 2 days later.

-Matt