Westside/PLing Training Thread

ME LOWER 8/28/07

14" Box Squat Wide Stance

135x5
225x3
245x3
275x3
315x2
335x1 (hard lift bad setup)
365x1 PR!! +10lb

Bulgarian split squat right leg only
55x8
65x8
75x8
85x8 PR! +30lbs

Super set

1 arm pulldown neutral grip
70lbs 3x8

with

Weighted crunches
55lbs 3x15

Notes: I was planning on going for a 3 rep PR but decided to go for max weight midway through, why not? the 335 was a horrible lift so i just got my mind right and pushed the doubt out of the way and nailed 365, it wasn’t the prettiest but max weight rarely are right?

I decided to throw the split squats in as my right leg is weaker and I am still trying to keep the stress off my left bicep so what better time to do these as I haven’t done them in forever?

Bicep is felling real good this week, I am going to play it safe but I will incorporate some strict pressing next week if all keeps felling better.

Glad to hear the arms feeling better and hell of a PR bro. Keep it up

Phill

[quote]Kalle wrote:
ME LOWER 8/28/07

14" Box Squat Wide Stance

135x5
225x3
245x3
275x3
315x2
335x1 (hard lift bad setup)
365x1 PR!! +10lb

Bulgarian split squat right leg only
55x8
65x8
75x8
85x8 PR! +30lbs

Super set

1 arm pulldown neutral grip
70lbs 3x8

with

Weighted crunches
55lbs 3x15

Notes: I was planning on going for a 3 rep PR but decided to go for max weight midway through, why not? the 335 was a horrible lift so i just got my mind right and pushed the doubt out of the way and nailed 365, it wasn’t the prettiest but max weight rarely are right?

I decided to throw the split squats in as my right leg is weaker and I am still trying to keep the stress off my left bicep so what better time to do these as I haven’t done them in forever?

Bicep is felling real good this week, I am going to play it safe but I will incorporate some strict pressing next week if all keeps felling better.[/quote]

[quote]Phill wrote:
Good lord bro thats some nice work the day after squatting your a bit on the twisted side I see as well :slight_smile:

Phill
[/quote]
Yes, it’s been noted on more than one occasion that I’m not quite right in the head.

[quote]Kalle wrote:
ME LOWER 8/28/07

14" Box Squat Wide Stance
365x1 PR!! +10lb

Bulgarian split squat right leg only

85x8 PR! +30lbs
[/quote]

Nice job on the PR’s! And good call switching it up to a heavy single. Sometimes you have to do what feels right, even if that wasn’t the plan for the day.

[quote]skidmark wrote:
Matt McGorry wrote:
8/28/07

Had the MRI done on my wrist today and the doctor told me it the ligament wasn’t torn but the joint is swollen.

He said I have arthritis. I’m 21 years old. Perhaps I can get a medal for the youngest person to have arthritis…and get my AARP card.

Anyway, I need a deload anyway so I’ll see how I feel next week.

-Matt

Maybe a second opinion? Which sort did he say it was - osteoarthritis or rheumatoid arthritis?

Vitamin C can help one (rheumatoid) and make the other worse. Rheumatoid arthritis is an auto-immune disease and sometimes removing certain foods from your diet can reduce the symptoms.

Vitamin E rich diets seem to help reduce osteoarthritis symptoms.

I am not a doctor though, these are just things I’ve read…[/quote]

I disagree. I think Matt is just prematurely old. Get yerself a cane old man, and enjoy the benefits from the AARP card, I hear you can get some nice discounts.

Seriously though, did he give you any advice on what to do about the wrist, or just a diagnosis?

If you have the MRI’s, you could probably get someone else to look at them as well, making a 2nd opinion pretty easy.

[quote]JimmyBoom wrote:

C1) Poor Man’s GHR (these are half negative/half partial kind of GHRs that are probably better than leg curls)

Bw x 5, 5, 5, 5

(I suck at these)

Boom[/quote]

Are these what I call Natural GHR’s where you anchor your feet under something and then fall ungracefully to the ground? If so, I suck at them as well, if that helps.

[quote]Kalle wrote:
ME LOWER 8/28/07

14" Box Squat Wide Stance

135x5
225x3
245x3
275x3
315x2
335x1 (hard lift bad setup)
365x1 PR!! +10lb

Bulgarian split squat right leg only
55x8
65x8
75x8
85x8 PR! +30lbs

Nice PR man. Were you doing those split squats holding 85lb dumbbells in each hand?

Hi guys (and gals?):

I know I said i’d start doing Westside a few months ago…well, my “training partner” copped out before we even started and I just lost another one (after doing 2 weeks of Total Body 3x/week and 2 “booster workouts”/week).

I was SO hoping the 2nd dude would last through the TBT so we could do the westside template you all helped me with WAAYYYY back on like page 171 or something.

“Another one bites the dust.”

May I ask 2 questions, please?

  1. How many of you train alone/solo? What do you do to push yourself on “those days?” (this type of training DOES find more benefit with a partner, no? I don’t know if I have it in me to do it solo. I have enough drive to work hard…but to work hard like i see you all doing, well…that’s something all together different).

  2. I’m doing box squats these days. I know you sit down and back…but I tend to shift my weight forward to get up. My stance is as wide as the squat rack. Is that normal?

thanks

AD

[quote]AlphaDragon wrote:
Hi guys (and gals?):

I know I said i’d start doing Westside a few months ago…well, my “training partner” copped out before we even started and I just lost another one (after doing 2 weeks of Total Body 3x/week and 2 “booster workouts”/week).

I was SO hoping the 2nd dude would last through the TBT so we could do the westside template you all helped me with WAAYYYY back on like page 171 or something.

“Another one bites the dust.”

May I ask 2 questions, please?

  1. How many of you train alone/solo? What do you do to push yourself on “those days?” (this type of training DOES find more benefit with a partner, no? I don’t know if I have it in me to do it solo. I have enough drive to work hard…but to work hard like i see you all doing, well…that’s something all together different).

  2. I’m doing box squats these days. I know you sit down and back…but I tend to shift my weight forward to get up. My stance is as wide as the squat rack. Is that normal?

thanks

AD

[/quote]

  1. Training partner’s suck. They are unreliable, unmotivated, always late, and they always quit when the going gets tough.

I’ve had a lot of training partners in the past, but it never seems to work out. I spend most of my time in a power cage now, and rely on the safety pins if necessary. I’ll get a spot if there is someone I trust, but there are fewer and fewer people I trust nowadays.

Obviously this question is a touchy subject for me, and I’m still looking for someone with the same goals and motivation that I have.

As far as motivation goes, every time I walk into the gym I have my mind set on hitting a PR that day. Whether it’s for a single or reps. I try to find a way to lift something heavier or add a rep each time I train. That is what really drives me to grind out that little bit extra.

I also have whole day planned so I know what it is I want to accomplish when I step into the gym. Those things may change depending on how the session is going, but by having a plan, and keeping a log, I keep myself pretty honest.

  1. As far as the Box Squats go, I find that if I have a little too much weight, I rock forward a bit as well. On DE days, just lighten the load so that you keep your form and stay quick, but on ME days you are just going to have to work on moving your head and shoulder up first.

When I rock, I find that it is because I have relaxed more than just my hip flexors when I’m sitting on the box. If everything gets loose, it’s impossible to keep your form.

[quote]skidmark wrote:

Maybe a second opinion? Which sort did he say it was - osteoarthritis or rheumatoid arthritis?

Vitamin C can help one (rheumatoid) and make the other worse. Rheumatoid arthritis is an auto-immune disease and sometimes removing certain foods from your diet can reduce the symptoms.

Vitamin E rich diets seem to help reduce osteoarthritis symptoms.

I am not a doctor though, these are just things I’ve read…[/quote]

I definitely agree on the 2nd opinion from another doc. Your primary doctor might get snitty about it, but remember this is your health and not his.

Also, once you do have a better determination of what it is that ails you, Eric Talmant over at EFS is very knowledgeable about setting up diets that alleviate or eliminate the negative effects of physical problems such as arthritis. He is very friendly and willing to give advice, as he has helped me with the whole metabolic typing thing and getting over the effects of my illness of a couple weeks much faster.

I think you can find his e-mail address somewhere in his training log or just post a Q&A to him and he’ll get back to you promptly.

[quote]Modi wrote:
AlphaDragon wrote:
Hi guys (and gals?):

I know I said i’d start doing Westside a few months ago…well, my “training partner” copped out before we even started and I just lost another one (after doing 2 weeks of Total Body 3x/week and 2 “booster workouts”/week).

I was SO hoping the 2nd dude would last through the TBT so we could do the westside template you all helped me with WAAYYYY back on like page 171 or something.

“Another one bites the dust.”

May I ask 2 questions, please?

  1. How many of you train alone/solo? What do you do to push yourself on “those days?” (this type of training DOES find more benefit with a partner, no? I don’t know if I have it in me to do it solo. I have enough drive to work hard…but to work hard like i see you all doing, well…that’s something all together different).

  2. I’m doing box squats these days. I know you sit down and back…but I tend to shift my weight forward to get up. My stance is as wide as the squat rack. Is that normal?

thanks

AD

[/quote]

Modi certainly has a strong opinion on training partners and for good reason. All too often you’ll find somebody that expresses a lot of interest in training and agrees to train with you; they usually lose focus and begin to show up late, ditch sessions altogether, etc. after time passes.

In other words, they end up being like 75% of the people that sign up for a gym membership just after January 1st of each year - they don’t stick with it because they don’t like to work hard. But if you do happen to find that training partner who is eager to train with you and makes you work harder to get a tough, grinding PR lift, consider yourself a lucky person.

I do have a training partner on my Friday and Sunday training sessions and that has been invaluable to me. He’s been lifting far longer than I have and has a lot of experience under the bar. I’ve recently surpassed him in weight on the big 3 lifts, but I have to give a lot of the credit to him as he’s been there coaching me on form and advising me on the programming of my training cycles.

One thing you could try to do is post a Q&A on Elitefts.com asking if there are any private gyms in your area that would allow you to train there. That way, you could possibly find at least one person, maybe even an entire crew, stronger than you to lift with.

As for your box squat rock, it is usually a combination of form and weaknesses. Formwise, don’t get too loosey-goosey on the box as that will force you to rock forward to try and regain leverage. Just sit back briefly enough to release the hip flexors while keeping your core tight, knees out, elbows down and lower/upper back arched.

To reverse, first push your head back into the bar while simultaneously applying force to the heels/outside of your feet. Once you get about halfway up push your hips through like you’re humping the air. It seems complicated and it can be for a while, but keep working at it with submaximal weights at first to reinforce your good habits while trying to fix your bad ones.

Also, if you want, we have enough armchair squatters on here that taking vids and posting them in this thread would allow for better advice.

Good luck.

[quote]Kalle wrote:
ME LOWER 8/28/07

14" Box Squat Wide Stance
365x1 PR!! +10lb

Bulgarian split squat right leg only
85x8 PR! +30lbs
[/quote]

Good job there Kalle! All while with a bum bicep. This is what makes this thread so motivating, people making progress despite not everything being perfect. Keep it up buddy!

[quote]novaeer wrote:

Modi certainly has a strong opinion on training partners and for good reason. All too often you’ll find somebody that expresses a lot of interest in training and agrees to train with you; they usually lose focus and begin to show up late, ditch sessions altogether, etc. after time passes.

In other words, they end up being like 75% of the people that sign up for a gym membership just after January 1st of each year - they don’t stick with it because they don’t like to work hard. But if you do happen to find that training partner who is eager to train with you and makes you work harder to get a tough, grinding PR lift, consider yourself a lucky person.
[/quote]

With that said, I have made some of my best progress when I have a consistent training partner. It’s always more motivating and you can push for that extra rep knowing you have a good spotter.

I just can’t seem to keep them around for more than a few months, and getting a new one means taking off the headphones and talking to people. Then people start asking for advice, which you happily give…you spend 45 minutes developing an entirely new training regimen for them, demonstrating exercises, explaining your philosophies, the whole time they nod their head in agreement. Then when it’s all over they ask “can’t I just keep doing what I’ve been doing, but expect different results?”

Sorry. I’m grumpy today.

[quote]Pemdas wrote:
Kalle wrote:
ME LOWER 8/28/07

14" Box Squat Wide Stance

135x5
225x3
245x3
275x3
315x2
335x1 (hard lift bad setup)
365x1 PR!! +10lb

Bulgarian split squat right leg only
55x8
65x8
75x8
85x8 PR! +30lbs

Nice PR man. Were you doing those split squats holding 85lb dumbbells in each hand?[/quote]

Thanks man,

No just one DB, they where the bulgarian kind with one foot up on the bench, I need to do more single leg work. I am pretty sure I could do it for reps with a 120+lb DB though those sets where real easy, I used to do them when I was much weaker and balance was a problem so those where a cheap PR but a PR none the less.

Thanks everyone,

the right side of my back is pretty damn sore today as I couldn’t really crush the bar over my back on the left side so I was probably squeezing to hard on my right to compensate.

Also I tweaked something in my left hand on the 335 attempt hurts to squeeze, no big deal though it is already a lot better than yesterday. Bicep fells fine though, I’ll do 1 more single arm pressing on Thursday than next week I will incorporate some light strict pressing if all is still going well, no explosive jerking movements. My strict press sucks anyways so I might as well work on it.

[quote]Modi wrote:
novaeer wrote:

Modi certainly has a strong opinion on training partners and for good reason. All too often you’ll find somebody that expresses a lot of interest in training and agrees to train with you; they usually lose focus and begin to show up late, ditch sessions altogether, etc. after time passes.

In other words, they end up being like 75% of the people that sign up for a gym membership just after January 1st of each year - they don’t stick with it because they don’t like to work hard. But if you do happen to find that training partner who is eager to train with you and makes you work harder to get a tough, grinding PR lift, consider yourself a lucky person.

With that said, I have made some of my best progress when I have a consistent training partner. It’s always more motivating and you can push for that extra rep knowing you have a good spotter.

I just can’t seem to keep them around for more than a few months, and getting a new one means taking off the headphones and talking to people. Then people start asking for advice, which you happily give…you spend 45 minutes developing an entirely new training regimen for them, demonstrating exercises, explaining your philosophies, the whole time they nod their head in agreement. Then when it’s all over they ask “can’t I just keep doing what I’ve been doing, but expect different results?”

Sorry. I’m grumpy today.[/quote]

This all pretty much sums it up, I train alone, whenever a friend has wanted to train it usually becomes just annoying, as they don’t really want to train. They see it as some social crap. No we are here to work! Plus they never come back.

Now training with some advanced lifters has helped me out big time. Unfortunately I can only do this on rare occasions as I live to far away. Pretty much a bad training partner will only be a distraction and may impede your progress. While a training partner or group with like minded goals can be invaluable.

That being said learning to motivate yourself and be able to train alone is something I fell everyone should be able to do.

mon 8-27 me bench
bunch of warmups from the bar to 225, then 275 2x3

medium grip floor press on smith machine 2 plates+a 25 on each side (no power racks at the gym so its the easiest way to do them with the available equipment)
neck bench press on smith machine bar+1 plate on each side 3x15
wide grip pullups 10,10,6
t bar rows in the corner 4 plates 3x10
seated front db raises 20s 3x12
tricep rope extensions 1 set of 25

wed 8-29 me dl
135 2x5, 225x5, 315x3, 405x1, 495x1
neutral grip chins bw+45 3x5
plate loaded squat machine 4 plates per side 4x5
db curls 40s 3x8
pendaley rows 135 3x12
db shrugs 100s 1x20

[quote]Modi wrote:

With that said, I have made some of my best progress when I have a consistent training partner. It’s always more motivating and you can push for that extra rep knowing you have a good spotter.

I just can’t seem to keep them around for more than a few months, and getting a new one means taking off the headphones and talking to people. Then people start asking for advice, which you happily give…you spend 45 minutes developing an entirely new training regimen for them, demonstrating exercises, explaining your philosophies, the whole time they nod their head in agreement. Then when it’s all over they ask “can’t I just keep doing what I’ve been doing, but expect different results?”

Sorry. I’m grumpy today.[/quote]

Venting a little, yes. Grumpy, nah.

Your problem with losing training partners could be from something else. For example, maybe your deodorant is a little weak and your training partners just don’t have the heart (or guts) to tell you that you reek like a smelly pair of goat balls. :smiley:

I have never considered myself a guru or expert on all things lifting, but people do ask questions sometimes when they see I can handle decent amounts of weight. However, I generally shy away from giving much advice to people in the gym anymore.

Every time I’ve given pointers like, “Try changing your main exercise up every few weeks if you find that progress has stopped” or “Cut back on some of the pressing exercises if you’re shoulders are hurting and do lighter pre-hab work to strengthen the rotators”.

I get the same response almost every time: “Hmmm, I never thought about that, maybe I’ll give it a try some time”. Then they proceed to go back to doing max singles on full ROM bench twice a week every week or military presses where they have to bend like a pretzel to move the weight.

[quote]Kalle wrote:

No just one DB, they where the bulgarian kind with one foot up on the bench, I need to do more single leg work. I am pretty sure I could do it for reps with a 120+lb DB though those sets where real easy, I used to do them when I was much weaker and balance was a problem so those where a cheap PR but a PR none the less.[/quote]

I have done these before, but I always hold two dumbbells. Where do you hold it?

[quote]Pemdas wrote:
Kalle wrote:

No just one DB, they where the bulgarian kind with one foot up on the bench, I need to do more single leg work. I am pretty sure I could do it for reps with a 120+lb DB though those sets where real easy, I used to do them when I was much weaker and balance was a problem so those where a cheap PR but a PR none the less.

I have done these before, but I always hold two dumbbells. Where do you hold it? [/quote]

I hold the dumbell in my right hand when working my right leg and vice versa. I never thought about using two DB’s before… Should make the balance easier.

Thanks