Got another email from Norway here is a link to the results pics etc of the meet
videos coming. Note they are all of course sub 8% BF for strength LO. No looks like old Magnus did pack a few lbs on with his age or maybe more then likely for this string of events they say these European mets tend to focus a lot more on the sheer Strength where as the WSM of late has been getting a bit lighter and more str. endurance. Hopefully they can strike a good balance
[quote]Phill wrote:
c. wrote:
elliotnewman1 wrote:
Im now thinking board pressing is a lot better for shirted lifters.
The guys I train with say the same thing. Board presses really only benefit if you bench in a shirt. That first few inches off the chest is what raw lifters need to work on. Lock outs are usually the easy part.
so they say.
c.
So they say is for darn sure right. we have to find what our own weakness is. Look at Modi this week. Unshirted and hit a higher load on a full ROM then a rack lockout. He’s stronger in the bottom then the top and using momentum to blast through the weak spot so board presses would likely do him a lot of good.
The rules and usuals are all good in well but in the end mean dick we have to make our training fit us
Phill
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This board pressing debate is interesting. Phil your spot on when you say that everyone is different and needs to find their own weaknesses and then bring them up. Thats where the conjugate system is so good…its unbelievably flexible.
For me personally im going to limit board pressing to no more than 2 in 6 ME sessions, because i am weakest in the bottom of the lift. However, for supplemenatary tricep work i will carry on hitting board presses frequently because it gets you used to lifting a lot of weight at the top of the movement.
Thats also why i’ve liked training with the chains for the past 3 weeks. I’ve been able to lock out weights i definitely could not do at the moment in the bottom range of motion.
[quote]Phill wrote:
Got another email from Norway here is a link to the results pics etc of the meet
videos coming. Note they are all of course sub 8% BF for strength LO. No looks like old Magnus did pack a few lbs on with his age or maybe more then likely for this string of events they say these European mets tend to focus a lot more on the sheer Strength where as the WSM of late has been getting a bit lighter and more str. endurance. Hopefully they can strike a good balance
Some of them are under or around 8% bodyfat though which is insane… no one should be a competive strentgh athelete at 300lbs and sub 10% BF it just ain’t fair!
I am amazed by the young crop of strongman coming up, Airld Haugen and Kevin Nee are both younger than me (22) and are some of the best in the world and probaly will be the best withen the next five years.
I don’t think the European contests are heavier. Just the Super Series (WSM quailfying series) is heavier than the actual Worlds Strongest Man, for who knows what reason?
I mean the show I went to down in Venice had a 385lb farmers walk for 80ft where I think it was around 260pr hand at last years WSM but they did have to go up some inclines, but it was a silly foot race still IMO (this event was in the quailfers only.)
WSM needs to up the weights, which they have been doing as of late.
Europeans can’t say their contests are better if they include a crucifix hold the only hold event in strongman should be the herculeus hold. The Crucfix is to hard to judge without those silly sensor things and it is just flat out boring.
[quote]Phill wrote:
c. wrote:
elliotnewman1 wrote:
Im now thinking board pressing is a lot better for shirted lifters.
The guys I train with say the same thing. Board presses really only benefit if you bench in a shirt. That first few inches off the chest is what raw lifters need to work on. Lock outs are usually the easy part.
so they say.
c.
So they say is for darn sure right. we have to find what our own weakness is. Look at Modi this week. Unshirted and hit a higher load on a full ROM then a rack lockout. He’s stronger in the bottom then the top and using momentum to blast through the weak spot so board presses would likely do him a lot of good.
The rules and usuals are all good in well but in the end mean dick we have to make our training fit us
Phill
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Yes, this not being able to lock out a weight is all new to me. It used to be that if I got it 3" off my chest, it was a sure thing. Now my sticking point is 8-10" off my chest.
Sorry if my earlier posts seemed like a bunch of excuses why I couldn’t do certain exercises. I think the best approach is to try them and see what works and what doesn’t.
I know I have a problem, and with a support group like you guys, I know that I can beat this problem.
[quote]elliotnewman1 wrote:
Take this with a pinch of salt because im extremely new to powerlifting:
but i found that after a few weeks of board pressing for ME the bar really didnt want to touch my chest when i returned to full ROM(i was only using 1-2 boards for about 4 weeks). Im now thinking board pressing is a lot better for shirted lifters. U raw or equipped?
So im not stopping boards, just being more economical with their use.
A. Broad jumps, 20# dumbbels in each hand
5 sets of 6. Best jump was just about 8 feet but most were around 7’3"ish I’d say.
B. Dynamic trap-bar deadlifts
10 x 3 with 225#
C. 1-leg RDL
3 x 12, holding 45# plate in each hand
D. Backward drags
6 plates for 80m in the grass
E. Pass out on grass
1 set of approximately 1 to 2 minutes
Comments:
This fucking sucked. I mean, in terms of results it went pretty well, but it just sucked getting through it. I’m fucking tired from working this camp and really would’ve rather just laid around and watched tv for a couple of hours instead of training but whatever, I got it done. Doing the broad jumps holding dumbbells was kind of awkward but I started to get the hang of it.
By the third set I was getting some good jumps in and I almost hit 8’ on one jump in the 4th set. Dynamic trap-bar deads are going well but I really need to start upping the weight… I started real light (well under 50%) because I haven’t done any real traditional DE work before this so I wanted to make sure I had good speed but I am practically throwing this weight up there. I think I’ll go one more week at 10 x 3 with this weight, then I’ll go to 265 pounds and hopefully still be fast with it.
My hands are totally trashed, the knurling is crazy sharp on this trap-bar and I didn’t have any chalk. Doing backward drags sucked balls today, the grass at the park apparently hasn’t been cut for like 2 weeks so that added some major resistance. Thought about cutting it short after 40m because I was dying then but pushed it out. Looking forward to getting this camp done and then resting all day Saturday to prepare for my bench sesh.
A. Dumbbell Bench Press
70 x 14
70 x 4
70 x 4
70 x 3
70 x 3
B. Fly
40 x 8
40 x 8
40 x 8
40 x 8
C. Kroc Row
60 x 25
D1. Tate Press
35 x 8
35 x 8
35 x 8
35 x 8
D2. Chest-Support Rear-Delt Raise
20 x 12
20 x 12
20 x 12
20 x 12
For some reason, I was a bit lethargic today. There’s nothing wrong per se, but just a bit tired in general. Maybe it’s because of my ME deadlifts on Tuesday.
I was hoping to hit at least 15 reps on the DB press and then move up in weight, but I could only get 14. I got my 15th rep half way up, struggled for a while, and couldn’t move it anymore.
I hit my weight/rep goals for the rest of the workout. I’m starting to get a better feel for flies and Tate presses.
All in all, not a very exciting session. I feel drained and tired right now. I hope tomorrow will be a better day.
Notes: Not bad for 4 hours sleep. decided on 1 arm OH press to see where the right tricep is at. Getting stronger but still weaker than left. I’m right handed, btw
Press downs were hard. The garage door pulleys I used to build the thing have a lot of drag not found on proper press down machines. perfect exercise for my problem though. I can feel the whole back of my right shoulder working as the stabilizers fire. How the heck did they get so lazy in the first place? I better check if I’m benching and pressing level or not…
Once triceps and stabilizers get evened out my form on the bench will get tighter and I can really start pulling the bar apart after it comes off the chest. I can already feel the difference from the daily right triceps work I’ve been doing (not logged). Have to be careful of speeding up the bar descent near the bottom, though. Last two inches are faster than the rest of the descent.
ME upper day do the lockouts with a narrower grip than before. Idea shamelessly stolen from Modi’s post. My stall point’s a little closer to my chest however.
[quote]Modi wrote:
Phill wrote:
c. wrote:
elliotnewman1 wrote:
Im now thinking board pressing is a lot better for shirted lifters.
The guys I train with say the same thing. Board presses really only benefit if you bench in a shirt. That first few inches off the chest is what raw lifters need to work on. Lock outs are usually the easy part.
so they say.
c.
So they say is for darn sure right. we have to find what our own weakness is. Look at Modi this week. Unshirted and hit a higher load on a full ROM then a rack lockout. He’s stronger in the bottom then the top and using momentum to blast through the weak spot so board presses would likely do him a lot of good.
The rules and usuals are all good in well but in the end mean dick we have to make our training fit us
Phill
Yes, this not being able to lock out a weight is all new to me. It used to be that if I got it 3" off my chest, it was a sure thing. Now my sticking point is 8-10" off my chest.
Sorry if my earlier posts seemed like a bunch of excuses why I couldn’t do certain exercises. I think the best approach is to try them and see what works and what doesn’t.
I know I have a problem, and with a support group like you guys, I know that I can beat this problem.
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No bro didnt seem that way at all just your case was perfect to the point I was getting across.
I hear you on the odd and lock out thing thats where my log etc sucks but thats apples and oranges to a BP due to Im push pressing on strict press my top end is still higher
Down to crunch time ladies and gent I leave tomorrow about noon get up there early get my room go out get grub and relax. Im pretty much packed all the varied crap cooler etc.
Im feeling pretty damn good from being out of the gym, Been doing stuff around here construction etc but no lifting, back etc man you dont notice it until you take time off I feel like a spring chicken
Weather supposed to be great 89 sunny thatll be like A/C compared to what its been
Ready to get in there and do this. Im all ready looking ahead to after this and the long way I have to go to just get back then once there long way to go to get near where I want/should be but think this will be a good stepping stone get this under my belt
Damn bro thats one hell of a drop off form one set to the next from 14 to 4. How much were you resting. Might up it a bit and get a few more reps in and lower the rest as you get conditioned.
Looks like a good session though
Keep it up
Phill
[quote]jthsiao wrote:
Thursday, 7/12/2007: RE Upper
A. Dumbbell Bench Press
70 x 14
70 x 4
70 x 4
70 x 3
70 x 3
B. Fly
40 x 8
40 x 8
40 x 8
40 x 8
C. Kroc Row
60 x 25
D1. Tate Press
35 x 8
35 x 8
35 x 8
35 x 8
D2. Chest-Support Rear-Delt Raise
20 x 12
20 x 12
20 x 12
20 x 12
For some reason, I was a bit lethargic today. There’s nothing wrong per se, but just a bit tired in general. Maybe it’s because of my ME deadlifts on Tuesday.
I was hoping to hit at least 15 reps on the DB press and then move up in weight, but I could only get 14. I got my 15th rep half way up, struggled for a while, and couldn’t move it anymore.
I hit my weight/rep goals for the rest of the workout. I’m starting to get a better feel for flies and Tate presses.
All in all, not a very exciting session. I feel drained and tired right now. I hope tomorrow will be a better day.[/quote]
[quote]Phill wrote:
Down to crunch time ladies and gent I leave tomorrow about noon get up there early get my room go out get grub and relax. Im pretty much packed all the varied crap cooler etc.
Im feeling pretty damn good from being out of the gym, Been doing stuff around here construction etc but no lifting, back etc man you dont notice it until you take time off I feel like a spring chicken
Weather supposed to be great 89 sunny thatll be like A/C compared to what its been
Ready to get in there and do this. Im all ready looking ahead to after this and the long way I have to go to just get back then once there long way to go to get near where I want/should be but think this will be a good stepping stone get this under my belt
[quote]Phill wrote:
Down to crunch time ladies and gent I leave tomorrow about noon get up there early get my room go out get grub and relax. Im pretty much packed all the varied crap cooler etc.
Im feeling pretty damn good from being out of the gym, Been doing stuff around here construction etc but no lifting, back etc man you dont notice it until you take time off I feel like a spring chicken
Weather supposed to be great 89 sunny thatll be like A/C compared to what its been
Ready to get in there and do this. Im all ready looking ahead to after this and the long way I have to go to just get back then once there long way to go to get near where I want/should be but think this will be a good stepping stone get this under my belt
[quote]Phill wrote:
Down to crunch time ladies and gent I leave tomorrow about noon get up there early get my room go out get grub and relax. Im pretty much packed all the varied crap cooler etc.
Im feeling pretty damn good from being out of the gym, Been doing stuff around here construction etc but no lifting, back etc man you dont notice it until you take time off I feel like a spring chicken
Weather supposed to be great 89 sunny thatll be like A/C compared to what its been
Ready to get in there and do this. Im all ready looking ahead to after this and the long way I have to go to just get back then once there long way to go to get near where I want/should be but think this will be a good stepping stone get this under my belt
Let these damn hours fly Im ready as Ill ever be
Phill
[/quote]
Good luck, kick ass and have some fun. Oh yeah, don’t forget to eat some ribs!!!
95x10
145x5 165x5 rep pr I think
Felt a little twinge in my left shoulder I aggravted last week I planned on doing 3-5 singles with 185 I thought about trying it but than I figured trying a single with 165 would be a better idea. I tried it and it didn’t fell 100% so scratched that
Pin Press couple inches above chest
135x1 OK I grabed the barbell to put it in the rack and decided to do a VERY fast hang clean, to get it to shoulder level, when I got it to my shoulders I felt a wierd “twinge” in my right hand.
I injured my right hand racing my ATV on a flat track a few years ago when I hit a soft spot and cartwheeled end over end about 5 times fun times…
I Have some small bone or something I can wiggle around in my right hand. It ussally isn’t that big of a deal but I have had it act up before but not for atleast 6 months…
Well long story short I hurt my right hand to grasp the bar.
did a bunch of reps of some light pullovers to keep the blood flowing and do something seeing if the hand would get better
Tried again but still hurt some to grasp the bar.
Well another day wasted to a silly sprain… wtf I am injury prone this week.
[quote]Phill wrote:
c. wrote:
elliotnewman1 wrote:
Im now thinking board pressing is a lot better for shirted lifters.
The guys I train with say the same thing. Board presses really only benefit if you bench in a shirt. That first few inches off the chest is what raw lifters need to work on. Lock outs are usually the easy part.
so they say.
c.
So they say is for darn sure right. we have to find what our own weakness is. Look at Modi this week. Unshirted and hit a higher load on a full ROM then a rack lockout. He’s stronger in the bottom then the top and using momentum to blast through the weak spot so board presses would likely do him a lot of good.
The rules and usuals are all good in well but in the end mean dick we have to make our training fit us
Phill
[/quote]
Can I get a Amen Brotha??!!
I get so tired of hearing that one type of training is for raw and another is for equipped. It all just tools. I find that a lot of raw lifters are strong off the chest but stall at the top half of the lift. I don’t see how a one or two board is going to help with that. I have gotten a lot out of the three and four board. But that’s me. I don’t see the benefit in eliminating any movement without first trying it out.
[quote]Phill wrote:
Down to crunch time ladies and gent I leave tomorrow about noon get up there early get my room go out get grub and relax. Im pretty much packed all the varied crap cooler etc.
Im feeling pretty damn good from being out of the gym, Been doing stuff around here construction etc but no lifting, back etc man you dont notice it until you take time off I feel like a spring chicken
Weather supposed to be great 89 sunny thatll be like A/C compared to what its been
Ready to get in there and do this. Im all ready looking ahead to after this and the long way I have to go to just get back then once there long way to go to get near where I want/should be but think this will be a good stepping stone get this under my belt
Let these damn hours fly Im ready as Ill ever be
Phill
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Good luck Phill!!
I wish I could be there to smack you around. Knowing you you will give 110%. I’m sure I speak for everyone when I say we will all be there in spirit.
Get that shit ( I believe that is what you said to me for my last comp.)I can’t wait to hear about it.
Notes: Man, I feel like a shmuck. I should have shut it down at 455 when it wasn’t quite easy. The 495 moved even less than the defecit deads last week.
the only hold event in strongman should be the herculeus hold. The Crucfix is to hard to judge without those silly sensor things and it is just flat out boring.