[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
I also ran my ass off and decided that in order to be awesome, you had to do awesome things. I eventually made a pact with myself not to be a cunt. I don’t make excuses and refuse to give in.
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Trying to explain that this is the reason I won’t “run” on the eliptical with my girlfriend is a tough conversation. Oh well, just built a sled after reading the article on it and plan on doing awesome things with it around the neighborhood.
[quote]ultralars wrote:
Would it be a good idea to use the deaload week as sort of a rep week or speed week? like you use low weight and go for around 10-15 reps really fast.[/quote]
Probably not as then it wouldn’t be a deload week - speed work (with a barbell) is pretty gay. If you plan to do dynamic training (real dynamic training) see the last Blood/Chalk article.
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
[quote]ultralars wrote:
so someone told me that 5/3/1 is for advanced lifters, and that i as an intermediate( 1,5 years experience) should do something else for optimal gains, is this true?[/quote]
No. I would highly recommend you cut off all contact with this person as they probably have mental defects due to syphilis…
If I had done this program when I was in high school, through college and used my fuckin’ head afterwards, I’d be a strong man. I am not a strong man.[/quote]
Jim, what do you think is a good training age to start 5/3/1? Would you have beginners using it? I only ask, since the program is designed for 5/10 lb jumps per month whereas newbs (who know how to push themselves) are typically adding 10-20 lbs on their squats and deadlifts each week. I would also assume it takes some mastering of technique before you are able to effectively execute a max rep set. Would you simply implement modifications for a brand new trainee?
I have found that the 5/3/1 program tends to be a great reality check for some women. Most women I’ve seen in the weight room tend to drastically underestimate their absolute strength. I’ve seen a few of my girlfriends get started on 5/3/1 only to be hitting around 25 reps or so throughout their first cycle. Then I get a phone call, “omg! I really need to bump up my weights!”
O rly???
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
[quote]ultralars wrote:
so someone told me that 5/3/1 is for advanced lifters, and that i as an intermediate( 1,5 years experience) should do something else for optimal gains, is this true?[/quote]
No. I would highly recommend you cut off all contact with this person as they probably have mental defects due to syphilis…
If I had done this program when I was in high school, through college and used my fuckin’ head afterwards, I’d be a strong man. I am not a strong man.[/quote]
Jim, what do you think is a good training age to start 5/3/1? Would you have beginners using it? I only ask, since the program is designed for 5/10 lb jumps per month whereas newbs (who know how to push themselves) are typically adding 10-20 lbs on their squats and deadlifts each week. I would also assume it takes some mastering of technique before you are able to effectively execute a max rep set. Would you simply implement modifications for a brand new trainee? [/quote]
I doubt many beginners are going to be adding more then 120 lbs a year to their squats and deadlifts.
Beginners (and everyone) HAVE to learn good form. Extra reps with poor form are not only ineffective, but dangerous.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
I have found that the 5/3/1 program tends to be a great reality check for some women. Most women I’ve seen in the weight room tend to drastically underestimate their absolute strength. I’ve seen a few of my girlfriends get started on 5/3/1 only to be hitting around 25 reps or so throughout their first cycle. Then I get a phone call, “omg! I really need to bump up my weights!”
O rly???[/quote]
Women tend to relate strength with men and masculine things, so they dont thing they will be good at it. When in fact, women can be very good at it, many just do not try.
If you have a lady friend/girlfriend/wife/mistress/whatever that lifts weights AND does it the right way, you are a lucky man my friend
[quote]Chris87 wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
[quote]ultralars wrote:
so someone told me that 5/3/1 is for advanced lifters, and that i as an intermediate( 1,5 years experience) should do something else for optimal gains, is this true?[/quote]
No. I would highly recommend you cut off all contact with this person as they probably have mental defects due to syphilis…
If I had done this program when I was in high school, through college and used my fuckin’ head afterwards, I’d be a strong man. I am not a strong man.[/quote]
Jim, what do you think is a good training age to start 5/3/1? Would you have beginners using it? I only ask, since the program is designed for 5/10 lb jumps per month whereas newbs (who know how to push themselves) are typically adding 10-20 lbs on their squats and deadlifts each week. I would also assume it takes some mastering of technique before you are able to effectively execute a max rep set. Would you simply implement modifications for a brand new trainee? [/quote]
I doubt many beginners are going to be adding more then 120 lbs a year to their squats and deadlifts.
Beginners (and everyone) HAVE to learn good form. Extra reps with poor form are not only ineffective, but dangerous.
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Failure is defined as when you can’t get another rep without breaking form. Not how many times can you lift that weight even if that ‘deadlift’ looks like a cat taking a monster shit for example.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
[quote]ultralars wrote:
so someone told me that 5/3/1 is for advanced lifters, and that i as an intermediate( 1,5 years experience) should do something else for optimal gains, is this true?[/quote]
No. I would highly recommend you cut off all contact with this person as they probably have mental defects due to syphilis…
If I had done this program when I was in high school, through college and used my fuckin’ head afterwards, I’d be a strong man. I am not a strong man.[/quote]
Jim, what do you think is a good training age to start 5/3/1? Would you have beginners using it? I only ask, since the program is designed for 5/10 lb jumps per month whereas newbs (who know how to push themselves) are typically adding 10-20 lbs on their squats and deadlifts each week. I would also assume it takes some mastering of technique before you are able to effectively execute a max rep set. Would you simply implement modifications for a brand new trainee? [/quote]
There is no perfect age as every kid matures differently. The thing is that you don’t need to rush the gains, especially when a beginner needs work with form and the WORST thing you can do is keep adding weight to the bar. This varies with kid to kid, especially if they work with a brother, father or coach that can properly monitor them.
Let’s put it this way - if and when my sons want to lift weights - after a prepatory stage of basic form work and relative strengh work - this is the program they will be on. I can’t give it any higher praise than that. I’m not saying this to stroke my ego, rather I believe in what I do and what I promote. There is no cap on beginner gains - they can be extended and properly stoked for a long time.
[quote]Chris87 wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
[quote]ultralars wrote:
so someone told me that 5/3/1 is for advanced lifters, and that i as an intermediate( 1,5 years experience) should do something else for optimal gains, is this true?[/quote]
No. I would highly recommend you cut off all contact with this person as they probably have mental defects due to syphilis…
If I had done this program when I was in high school, through college and used my fuckin’ head afterwards, I’d be a strong man. I am not a strong man.[/quote]
Jim, what do you think is a good training age to start 5/3/1? Would you have beginners using it? I only ask, since the program is designed for 5/10 lb jumps per month whereas newbs (who know how to push themselves) are typically adding 10-20 lbs on their squats and deadlifts each week. I would also assume it takes some mastering of technique before you are able to effectively execute a max rep set. Would you simply implement modifications for a brand new trainee? [/quote]
I doubt many beginners are going to be adding more then 120 lbs a year to their squats and deadlifts.
Beginners (and everyone) HAVE to learn good form. Extra reps with poor form are not only ineffective, but dangerous.
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I agree with this.
[quote]Chris87 wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
[quote]ultralars wrote:
so someone told me that 5/3/1 is for advanced lifters, and that i as an intermediate( 1,5 years experience) should do something else for optimal gains, is this true?[/quote]
No. I would highly recommend you cut off all contact with this person as they probably have mental defects due to syphilis…
If I had done this program when I was in high school, through college and used my fuckin’ head afterwards, I’d be a strong man. I am not a strong man.[/quote]
Jim, what do you think is a good training age to start 5/3/1? Would you have beginners using it? I only ask, since the program is designed for 5/10 lb jumps per month whereas newbs (who know how to push themselves) are typically adding 10-20 lbs on their squats and deadlifts each week. I would also assume it takes some mastering of technique before you are able to effectively execute a max rep set. Would you simply implement modifications for a brand new trainee? [/quote]
I doubt many beginners are going to be adding more then 120 lbs a year to their squats and deadlifts.
Beginners (and everyone) HAVE to learn good form. Extra reps with poor form are not only ineffective, but dangerous.
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Really? I was going off of personal experience (adding over 200 on both dl and squat in my first year) and the following quote:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: any healthy male under the age of 50 can deadlift 400 within two years of proper training–and most can do it even faster than that.
–Eric Cressey
I was by no means rushing gains and actually came out of the year with much better posture and mobility. Keep in mind I train at a university center, so my perception is heavily based on speculation…on a given day there is about a 5% chance I see anyone attempting to squat or dl over 135lbs. God it’s awful being weak and still being the strongest guy in the gym most nights.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Really? I was going off of personal experience (adding over 200 on both dl and squat in my first year) and the following quote:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: any healthy male under the age of 50 can deadlift 400 within two years of proper training–and most can do it even faster than that.
–Eric Cressey
I was by no means rushing gains and actually came out of the year with much better posture and mobility. Keep in mind I train at a university center, so my perception is heavily based on speculation…on a given day there is about a 5% chance I see anyone attempting to squat or dl over 135lbs. God it’s awful being weak and still being the strongest guy in the gym most nights. [/quote]
I know what you’re saying, but I think the main point is that most youngsters will not be able to add that much weight on their own without it handed to them. And that’s just working weight, not a rep max.
Wow did’nt think I’d run into the dude that wrote the book 5-3-1 here sweet!! Hey Jim if your there I love the program just started it a month ago all major lifts are going up. I still can’t believe how simple and easy this program is. I have two questions
[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
Really? I was going off of personal experience (adding over 200 on both dl and squat in my first year) and the following quote:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: any healthy male under the age of 50 can deadlift 400 within two years of proper training–and most can do it even faster than that.
–Eric Cressey
I was by no means rushing gains and actually came out of the year with much better posture and mobility. Keep in mind I train at a university center, so my perception is heavily based on speculation…on a given day there is about a 5% chance I see anyone attempting to squat or dl over 135lbs. God it’s awful being weak and still being the strongest guy in the gym most nights. [/quote]
I know what you’re saying, but I think the main point is that most youngsters will not be able to add that much weight on their own without it handed to them. And that’s just working weight, not a rep max.
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The only reason I did it was because I read that quote and was a huge fan of Cressey’s…lol.
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Chris87 wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Jim Wendler wrote:
[quote]ultralars wrote:
so someone told me that 5/3/1 is for advanced lifters, and that i as an intermediate( 1,5 years experience) should do something else for optimal gains, is this true?[/quote]
No. I would highly recommend you cut off all contact with this person as they probably have mental defects due to syphilis…
If I had done this program when I was in high school, through college and used my fuckin’ head afterwards, I’d be a strong man. I am not a strong man.[/quote]
Jim, what do you think is a good training age to start 5/3/1? Would you have beginners using it? I only ask, since the program is designed for 5/10 lb jumps per month whereas newbs (who know how to push themselves) are typically adding 10-20 lbs on their squats and deadlifts each week. I would also assume it takes some mastering of technique before you are able to effectively execute a max rep set. Would you simply implement modifications for a brand new trainee? [/quote]
I doubt many beginners are going to be adding more then 120 lbs a year to their squats and deadlifts.
Beginners (and everyone) HAVE to learn good form. Extra reps with poor form are not only ineffective, but dangerous.
[/quote]
Really? I was going off of personal experience (adding over 200 on both dl and squat in my first year) and the following quote:
I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: any healthy male under the age of 50 can deadlift 400 within two years of proper training–and most can do it even faster than that.
–Eric Cressey
I was by no means rushing gains and actually came out of the year with much better posture and mobility. Keep in mind I train at a university center, so my perception is heavily based on speculation…on a given day there is about a 5% chance I see anyone attempting to squat or dl over 135lbs. God it’s awful being weak and still being the strongest guy in the gym most nights. [/quote]
Thats excellent progress for one year of training, but not typical.
I agree with Cressey’s quote for the most part, 405 isnt far off for most beginners.
[quote]thehebrewhero wrote:
Wow did’nt think I’d run into the dude that wrote the book 5-3-1 here sweet!! Hey Jim if your there I love the program just started it a month ago all major lifts are going up. I still can’t believe how simple and easy this program is. I have two questions
As long as it doesnt interfere with recovery, you should be fine. If it does, eating more may help, if that doesnt, then you may need to prioritize which is more important to your goals.
same advice
Would it make a difference if you for example did your squats, then 5 hours later or whatever, you did the asistance exercises for the day, would that be fine or would that be hurting your gains?
[quote]ultralars wrote:
Would it make a difference if you for example did your squats, then 5 hours later or whatever, you did the asistance exercises for the day, would that be fine or would that be hurting your gains?[/quote]
If it works for you, then do it. It seems to me like it should be fine, as long as your not killing yourself at both sessions.
Does any one have any insight on doing 5/3/1 for 12 weeks instead of 16? This is the 2nd time I have ran 5/3/1 for 16, the first 12 weeks were great, come 4th mesocycle everything has gone to shit.
Then take 2 steps (cycles) back and go from there. 4 steps forward 2 steps back still keeps you moving forward.
[quote]krazylarry wrote:
Does any one have any insight on doing 5/3/1 for 12 weeks instead of 16? This is the 2nd time I have ran 5/3/1 for 16, the first 12 weeks were great, come 4th mesocycle everything has gone to shit. [/quote]
Did you read the book? No where does it say your supposed to do the program for 16 weeks. This program doesnt have a set time frame.
When you stall, multiply your training maxes by 90% and keep going.