Wendler 5/3/1 Program - pt 2.

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]Ruggerlife wrote:
Firebug9 wrote:
four60 wrote:
Firebug9 wrote:
Ok, I am looking for some assistance here. I love the 5/3/1 program, but I have three powerlifting meets in the next 4 months. One in about two weeks, another the first week of October and the last one the first week of November. These are all international meets and I am trying to get my strength back after my treatments. With all that in mind this style of training is great for me, but I am going to have to be in equipment for training. So, I am looking for suggestions.

I was thinking of using rep scheme of 3/2/1 and the BBB for assistance with maybe a couple of other assistance exercises thrown in to work on specific weaknesses. Between the first and second meet I will have 7 weeks of training, and between the second and third I will have four weeks…

Any and all help is appreciated :wink:

WOW, No resting for you huh.

Well, no not really :wink:

So, no one has any ideas or suggestions? I am kind of at a loss here. I have lost a bit with my chemo and I will be getting radiation between the first and second meets. I know that training will be difficult but I will train. I did during chemo, even though my numbers do not really show it. I was just hoping to get some brain storming ideas so I can string together a decent 6 weeks or so of training.

thanks

Damn Malinda, why such a long break between competitions? :slight_smile:

I’m not qualified to be giving you training advice, but as for brain storming I’d say consider something like you said of running the 5/3/1 template in full gear and tapering your training based on how you peak best (ie. stopping deadlifts 2 weeks out, or whatever works for you).

For the assistance, stay flexible and adjust it based on how your body responds. By that I mean if you’re too fatigued lighten the load, if hips are tight maybe you do something like front squats and seated band abductors (or whatever they’re called). Basically use the assistance to assist with recovery and keep the focus on the main movements.

Again just my 2 cents. [/quote]

Thanks for the 2 cents, I really need the help. Normally I would have an idea how to train, but with chemo brain and not being real sure what my body is doing I am at a loss. :wink:

Just when you think you have things figured out…Life throws you a curve ball.

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[quote]Firebug9 wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
Firebug9 wrote:
four60 wrote:
Firebug9 wrote:
Ok, I am looking for some assistance here. I love the 5/3/1 program, but I have three powerlifting meets in the next 4 months. One in about two weeks, another the first week of October and the last one the first week of November. These are all international meets and I am trying to get my strength back after my treatments. With all that in mind this style of training is great for me, but I am going to have to be in equipment for training. So, I am looking for suggestions.

I was thinking of using rep scheme of 3/2/1 and the BBB for assistance with maybe a couple of other assistance exercises thrown in to work on specific weaknesses. Between the first and second meet I will have 7 weeks of training, and between the second and third I will have four weeks…

Any and all help is appreciated :wink:

WOW, No resting for you huh.

Well, no not really :wink:

So, no one has any ideas or suggestions? I am kind of at a loss here. I have lost a bit with my chemo and I will be getting radiation between the first and second meets. I know that training will be difficult but I will train. I did during chemo, even though my numbers do not really show it. I was just hoping to get some brain storming ideas so I can string together a decent 6 weeks or so of training.

thanks

Damn Malinda, why such a long break between competitions? :slight_smile:

I’m not qualified to be giving you training advice, but as for brain storming I’d say consider something like you said of running the 5/3/1 template in full gear and tapering your training based on how you peak best (ie. stopping deadlifts 2 weeks out, or whatever works for you).

For the assistance, stay flexible and adjust it based on how your body responds. By that I mean if you’re too fatigued lighten the load, if hips are tight maybe you do something like front squats and seated band abductors (or whatever they’re called). Basically use the assistance to assist with recovery and keep the focus on the main movements.

Again just my 2 cents.

Thanks for the 2 cents, I really need the help. Normally I would have an idea how to train, but with chemo brain and not being real sure what my body is doing I am at a loss. :wink:

Just when you think you have things figured out…Life throws you a curve ball.
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I dont really have anything to say to help you out, but I just wanted to say I admire your dedication while going through what I am sure is a difficult ordeal. I wish you the best of luck, and I hope someone can chime in to assist you in your question. Take care.

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[quote]TheDudeAbides wrote:
coolnatedawg wrote:
TheDudeAbides wrote:

Since I’ve been recording my daily Calories, I eat around 2000 (sometimes more, sometimes less), burn an additional 300-500 through walking, jogging, elliptical, and 5/3/1.

To summarize JW, eat less and increase your activity.

How long have you been doing the 2000cals? That is incredibly low!

I am trying to find that balance b/w improving cardiovascularly (wtf?) and getting bigger stronger. The whole 2 demons thing…

I should be running closer to 3+ miles soon every 2 days, and my lifts keep going up (minus the 5rep week b/c I never seem to come back very strong- maybe switch the 5 and 3 rep week?)

Too low? According to TNation, Berardi, Shelby Starnes, and other sources it is too low. However, I have gained weight on a 2400-2600 Calorie diet. So I’m not really sure why/how I am able to make strength gains on such low amounts according to expert standards. It is what it is, I really don’t have an answer except it’s working. I have struggled with finding the ‘best’ Calorie range for a long time now. Reading articles and expert opinions … I just wasn’t losing. I honestly eat about whatever I want, eat when I’m hungry, and don’t starve myself. I eat every 2-4 hours like a good boy. So what has really helped was dropping my Cals and increasing my cardio/daily activity.

I think the trick to increasing your cardio and getting/maintaining strength is pacing yourself. Its the whole build up slowly. I really think you can do both, maybe not optimally (key word) but it can be done. I’ve lost weight and gained strength - probably not the best or most optimal plan, but it has worked and I’m happy. It has taken me longer to lose 30 lbs than if I just set out to lose the weight.

As is (now weighing 230), I can run 2 miles in under 20 minutes. I could run a third, but at a little slower pace. I’m not ‘there’ yet. So I end up walking the third mile, for a total time of 35 minutes. I can live with that amount of cardio a day or every other day. At the minimum, I try to walk 2 miles/day.

Switching the 5 and 3 weeks around? I remember reading it in the 3 Days a Week book, Matt Kroc’s log, Q & A, or somewhere else that it would be fine. I do seem to recover better/faster on the 3 and 5/3/1 days. I push myself hard, ending up with major DOMS that carry over into the second week. Without fail.[/quote]

I was basing my comment off the fact I am only about 20lbs more than you, but essentially eat around 2x what you do. Congrats on that- your grocery bills must be cheaper! Consider me jealous!

In terms of cardio, you and I are at about the same point. I have slowly been progressing my runs using an about.com beginner template to get me to full length 3+ mile runs. It has definitely taken its toll on my knees and ankles, so I am happy for the bodyweight accessory work I am doing to help recover/alleviate pain.

In regards to the switching around, someone else pointed out that they tried it the 3,5,1 way and found it to make that 3 week difficult. That is the issue I am trying to solve, so I guess it is better the way it is. I still hit my weights by 2+ reps every time, I just feel a lot weaker that first week back… Perhaps my body just needs even more time to adjust.

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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

Switching the 5 and 3 weeks around? I remember reading it in the 3 Days a Week book, Matt Kroc’s log, Q & A, or somewhere else that it would be fine. I do seem to recover better/faster on the 3 and 5/3/1 days. I push myself hard, ending up with major DOMS that carry over into the second week. Without fail.

I was basing my comment off the fact I am only about 20lbs more than you, but essentially eat around 2x what you do. Congrats on that- your grocery bills must be cheaper! Consider me jealous!

In terms of cardio, you and I are at about the same point. I have slowly been progressing my runs using an about.com beginner template to get me to full length 3+ mile runs. It has definitely taken its toll on my knees and ankles, so I am happy for the bodyweight accessory work I am doing to help recover/alleviate pain.

In regards to the switching around, someone else pointed out that they tried it the 3,5,1 way and found it to make that 3 week difficult. That is the issue I am trying to solve, so I guess it is better the way it is. I still hit my weights by 2+ reps every time, I just feel a lot weaker that first week back… Perhaps my body just needs even more time to adjust.[/quote]

SEE! That’s what bothers me - you’re eating twice what I eat. My metabolism must be jacked.

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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:
TheDudeAbides wrote:
coolnatedawg wrote:
TheDudeAbides wrote:

Switching the 5 and 3 weeks around? I remember reading it in the 3 Days a Week book, Matt Kroc’s log, Q & A, or somewhere else that it would be fine. I do seem to recover better/faster on the 3 and 5/3/1 days. I push myself hard, ending up with major DOMS that carry over into the second week. Without fail.

In regards to the switching around, someone else pointed out that they tried it the 3,5,1 way and found it to make that 3 week difficult. That is the issue I am trying to solve, so I guess it is better the way it is. I still hit my weights by 2+ reps every time, I just feel a lot weaker that first week back… Perhaps my body just needs even more time to adjust.[/quote]

I think it is ok if you fail to get your 5 reps on the 5-5-5 day before you fail to get your 1 rep on the 5-3-1 day and it is also ok if the 5-5-5 day is the hardest day, even if it is first. In fact, this may even be preferable. Just reset the first time you fail to get the required reps regardless of which week in the cycle you are on and all is good. The program does not appear to me to be a vehicle to test a 1RM–you can do that any time you want, however. I think its more of a mental/ego thing to place the emphasis on the 1 rep day just because there is more weight on the bar that day. Each week is making you stronger. Just my .02 cents.

Jack

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[quote]crankMAN wrote:
Question for all…

What style of deadlift you favor?? Deadstart from the floor or touch and go…

I know what is written in the book,both are fine …just as example i did 295x8 touch and go but only 295x5 with a deadstart…I think my form is very good on both but maybe its a little better with a dead start…According to Rippetoe…deadstart from the floor is the way to go…[/quote]

I’ll go for dead stop as well, touch and go leaves the option of bouncing open but dead stop fucking kills after a few reps.

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[quote]Firebug9 wrote:
four60 wrote:
Firebug9 wrote:
Ok, I am looking for some assistance here. I love the 5/3/1 program, but I have three powerlifting meets in the next 4 months. One in about two weeks, another the first week of October and the last one the first week of November. These are all international meets and I am trying to get my strength back after my treatments. With all that in mind this style of training is great for me, but I am going to have to be in equipment for training. So, I am looking for suggestions.

I was thinking of using rep scheme of 3/2/1 and the BBB for assistance with maybe a couple of other assistance exercises thrown in to work on specific weaknesses. Between the first and second meet I will have 7 weeks of training, and between the second and third I will have four weeks…

Any and all help is appreciated :wink:

WOW, No resting for you huh.

Well, no not really :wink:

So, no one has any ideas or suggestions? I am kind of at a loss here. I have lost a bit with my chemo and I will be getting radiation between the first and second meets. I know that training will be difficult but I will train. I did during chemo, even though my numbers do not really show it. I was just hoping to get some brain storming ideas so I can string together a decent 6 weeks or so of training.

thanks[/quote]

Firebug9 I just wanna say you are a true inspiration to a whole lot of people out there, I have a relative going through chemo at the minute aswell and they can barely walk so for you to take part in meets blows my mind. Nothing short of legendary. It’ll give me something to think about when I try and pussy out of doing an extra rep on squat day.

good luck with everything in the future
Irish

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[quote]crankMAN wrote:
Question for all…

What style of deadlift you favor?? Deadstart from the floor or touch and go…

I know what is written in the book,both are fine …just as example i did 295x8 touch and go but only 295x5 with a deadstart…I think my form is very good on both but maybe its a little better with a dead start…According to Rippetoe…deadstart from the floor is the way to go…[/quote]

It’s called a “dead” lift.

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[quote]Firebug9 wrote:
four60 wrote:
Firebug9 wrote:
Ok, I am looking for some assistance here. I love the 5/3/1 program, but I have three powerlifting meets in the next 4 months. One in about two weeks, another the first week of October and the last one the first week of November. These are all international meets and I am trying to get my strength back after my treatments. With all that in mind this style of training is great for me, but I am going to have to be in equipment for training. So, I am looking for suggestions.

I was thinking of using rep scheme of 3/2/1 and the BBB for assistance with maybe a couple of other assistance exercises thrown in to work on specific weaknesses. Between the first and second meet I will have 7 weeks of training, and between the second and third I will have four weeks…

Any and all help is appreciated :wink:

WOW, No resting for you huh.

Well, no not really :wink:

So, no one has any ideas or suggestions? I am kind of at a loss here. I have lost a bit with my chemo and I will be getting radiation between the first and second meets. I know that training will be difficult but I will train. I did during chemo, even though my numbers do not really show it. I was just hoping to get some brain storming ideas so I can string together a decent 6 weeks or so of training.

thanks[/quote]

Well, I’ve never done this, but if you want a half-assed idea, I’ve got two of em.

  1. Run 531 as normal and hten on your 95% day 5-6 weeks out from the meet, do only the assigned reps, put on your gear and work up. That’ll be your opener. If you go this route really hammer your top end accessory work (low back and abs for squat, bd work for bench, dont forget grip for deadlift) since this will be your limiting factor on competition day, having only had supramaximal weight on your back/in your hands ONCE the whole cycle.

  2. Run 531 but instead of adding 5/10 lbs each month, add 20/40 lbs of chain. This way you’ll maintain your strength in the hole and continue to improve top end strength. When you get to the meet you’ll be strong enough at the top to handle the weight, and rely on your suit/shirt for power outta the hole

Like I said, not sure it’ll work, but since you asked for ideas … :slight_smile:

oh, and it bears mentioning that as Jim has pointed out, if you alter 531, it’s not 531, so i just want to acknowledge that suggestion number 2 is NOT 531

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[quote]jsdool wrote:
crankMAN wrote:
Question for all…

What style of deadlift you favor?? Deadstart from the floor or touch and go…

I know what is written in the book,both are fine …just as example i did 295x8 touch and go but only 295x5 with a deadstart…I think my form is very good on both but maybe its a little better with a dead start…According to Rippetoe…deadstart from the floor is the way to go…

It’s called a “dead” lift.[/quote]

On the other hand, Jim also does it touch and go because he feels it helps his lockout

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Thanks for the suggestions guys! And yes I know if it is altered it really is not 531, but I want to stay as close to the program, but use my gear as possible. Like I said it helped me to be able to train during chemo using 531, but I did not wear any gear during chemo. The one meet I did in that time frame I competed without any gear – but it was just a local meet ;-).

Thanks again. I will devise my plan and post it here this next week…only 6 days out from the first meet.

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
coolnatedawg wrote:
TheDudeAbides wrote:
coolnatedawg wrote:
TheDudeAbides wrote:

Switching the 5 and 3 weeks around? I remember reading it in the 3 Days a Week book, Matt Kroc’s log, Q & A, or somewhere else that it would be fine. I do seem to recover better/faster on the 3 and 5/3/1 days. I push myself hard, ending up with major DOMS that carry over into the second week. Without fail.

In regards to the switching around, someone else pointed out that they tried it the 3,5,1 way and found it to make that 3 week difficult. That is the issue I am trying to solve, so I guess it is better the way it is. I still hit my weights by 2+ reps every time, I just feel a lot weaker that first week back… Perhaps my body just needs even more time to adjust.

I think it is ok if you fail to get your 5 reps on the 5-5-5 day before you fail to get your 1 rep on the 5-3-1 day and it is also ok if the 5-5-5 day is the hardest day, even if it is first. In fact, this may even be preferable. Just reset the first time you fail to get the required reps regardless of which week in the cycle you are on and all is good. The program does not appear to me to be a vehicle to test a 1RM–you can do that any time you want, however. I think its more of a mental/ego thing to place the emphasis on the 1 rep day just because there is more weight on the bar that day. Each week is making you stronger. Just my .02 cents.

Jack[/quote]

Very good point. I just got to figure a way to make sure I get the cobwebs off after the deload week (even tho I do 2-3 days during the deload). And it could very well be an ego thing I am still coping with.

and TheDudeAbides- The way I worded it was the nicer way of saying “wtf is wrong with you?” haha. That is nuts tho. Are you very sedentary or something? I know that is not the case, but that is weird. Oh well…

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
jsdool wrote:
crankMAN wrote:
Question for all…

What style of deadlift you favor?? Deadstart from the floor or touch and go…

I know what is written in the book,both are fine …just as example i did 295x8 touch and go but only 295x5 with a deadstart…I think my form is very good on both but maybe its a little better with a dead start…According to Rippetoe…deadstart from the floor is the way to go…

It’s called a “dead” lift.

On the other hand, Jim also does it touch and go because he feels it helps his lockout
[/quote]

I have done both ways and I will agree that stopping and resetting is definitely more challenging. I also recommend it for anyone that has form issues. On the other hand, I prefer to touch and go because it allows me to do more reps. If I’m doing more reps, I’m doing more work and definitely getting stronger. Let me also say realistically speaking, if you are not using a flexible dl bar and aren’t on a springy platform 400-500 lbs of iron plates don’t exactly “bounce” off the floor.

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[quote]coolnatedawg wrote:

and TheDudeAbides- The way I worded it was the nicer way of saying “wtf is wrong with you?” haha. That is nuts tho. Are you very sedentary or something? I know that is not the case, but that is weird. Oh well…[/quote]

ha ha sort of - I do IT and teach, so sitting on my butt comes with the job

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[quote]Firebug9 wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions guys! And yes I know if it is altered it really is not 531, but I want to stay as close to the program, but use my gear as possible. Like I said it helped me to be able to train during chemo using 531, but I did not wear any gear during chemo. The one meet I did in that time frame I competed without any gear – but it was just a local meet ;-).

Thanks again. I will devise my plan and post it here this next week…only 6 days out from the first meet. [/quote]

Definitely Firebug, hope you didnt think the caution against calling it 531 was directed at you, i just put it in because i didnt want people to think i was saying “This is how you do 531 in gear”

Looking forward to seeing how it goes, I’ll be intrigued to see how my chains idea works :slight_smile:

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[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Firebug9 wrote:
Thanks for the suggestions guys! And yes I know if it is altered it really is not 531, but I want to stay as close to the program, but use my gear as possible. Like I said it helped me to be able to train during chemo using 531, but I did not wear any gear during chemo. The one meet I did in that time frame I competed without any gear – but it was just a local meet ;-).

Thanks again. I will devise my plan and post it here this next week…only 6 days out from the first meet.

Definitely Firebug, hope you didnt think the caution against calling it 531 was directed at you, i just put it in because i didnt want people to think i was saying “This is how you do 531 in gear”

Looking forward to seeing how it goes, I’ll be intrigued to see how my chains idea works :-)[/quote]

No problem! :wink: I do know that there are those out there that would call it 531 no matter what they are really doing. Just wanted Jim to know that I was not gonna basterized(sp) his program and call it the same.

I will let you know how it goes…

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[quote]jsdool wrote:
crankMAN wrote:
Question for all…

What style of deadlift you favor?? Deadstart from the floor or touch and go…

I know what is written in the book,both are fine …just as example i did 295x8 touch and go but only 295x5 with a deadstart…I think my form is very good on both but maybe its a little better with a dead start…According to Rippetoe…deadstart from the floor is the way to go…

It’s called a “dead” lift.[/quote]

I know that!! dont worry…but Jim is doing them touch and go…and just check youtube deadlift 5/3/1 and you see many doing them touch and go…

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[quote]roofus_5 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
jsdool wrote:
crankMAN wrote:
Question for all…

What style of deadlift you favor?? Deadstart from the floor or touch and go…

I know what is written in the book,both are fine …just as example i did 295x8 touch and go but only 295x5 with a deadstart…I think my form is very good on both but maybe its a little better with a dead start…According to Rippetoe…deadstart from the floor is the way to go…

It’s called a “dead” lift.

On the other hand, Jim also does it touch and go because he feels it helps his lockout

I have done both ways and I will agree that stopping and resetting is definitely more challenging. I also recommend it for anyone that has form issues. On the other hand, I prefer to touch and go because it allows me to do more reps. If I’m doing more reps, I’m doing more work and definitely getting stronger. Let me also say realistically speaking, if you are not using a flexible dl bar and aren’t on a springy platform 400-500 lbs of iron plates don’t exactly “bounce” off the floor.[/quote]

This is one of my posts on a related topic, after switching from “touch & go” to dead start:

“As a person that has done “touch & go” since I started deadlifting, I can honestly say that release is MUCH, MUCH better and probably the ONLY way to deadlift (at least for me). When doing it “touch & go” I always had a very slow eccentric because I didn’t want to deal with a big bounce or didn’t want the bar to roll weird due to using octagonal plates, which in turn it also made me feel a bit of lower-back pain with every “touch”. With the release, you can do the eccentric part a little bit faster and setting the bar down completely made it feel like I was maintaining my form a bit better. Also, when doing higher reps than singles/doubles, it’s quite hard to keep the breathing right, whereas with the release you can reset your breathing at the bottom of each rep. Overall I think that if you have the ability to release, that should be the way to go, it really does feel like you get the FULL benefit and challenge on EVERY rep.”

Obviously, just my opinion. There seems to be guys that like either way better than the other.

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[quote]m1sf1t wrote:
roofus_5 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
jsdool wrote:
crankMAN wrote:
Question for all…

What style of deadlift you favor?? Deadstart from the floor or touch and go…

I know what is written in the book,both are fine …just as example i did 295x8 touch and go but only 295x5 with a deadstart…I think my form is very good on both but maybe its a little better with a dead start…According to Rippetoe…deadstart from the floor is the way to go…

It’s called a “dead” lift.

On the other hand, Jim also does it touch and go because he feels it helps his lockout

I have done both ways and I will agree that stopping and resetting is definitely more challenging. I also recommend it for anyone that has form issues. On the other hand, I prefer to touch and go because it allows me to do more reps. If I’m doing more reps, I’m doing more work and definitely getting stronger. Let me also say realistically speaking, if you are not using a flexible dl bar and aren’t on a springy platform 400-500 lbs of iron plates don’t exactly “bounce” off the floor.

This is one of my posts on a related topic, after switching from “touch & go” to dead start:

“As a person that has done “touch & go” since I started deadlifting, I can honestly say that release is MUCH, MUCH better and probably the ONLY way to deadlift (at least for me). When doing it “touch & go” I always had a very slow eccentric because I didn’t want to deal with a big bounce or didn’t want the bar to roll weird due to using octagonal plates, which in turn it also made me feel a bit of lower-back pain with every “touch”. With the release, you can do the eccentric part a little bit faster and setting the bar down completely made it feel like I was maintaining my form a bit better. Also, when doing higher reps than singles/doubles, it’s quite hard to keep the breathing right, whereas with the release you can reset your breathing at the bottom of each rep. Overall I think that if you have the ability to release, that should be the way to go, it really does feel like you get the FULL benefit and challenge on EVERY rep.”

Obviously, just my opinion. There seems to be guys that like either way better than the other.[/quote]

I like it!

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[quote]m1sf1t wrote:
roofus_5 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
jsdool wrote:
crankMAN wrote:
Question for all…

What style of deadlift you favor?? Deadstart from the floor or touch and go…

I know what is written in the book,both are fine …just as example i did 295x8 touch and go but only 295x5 with a deadstart…I think my form is very good on both but maybe its a little better with a dead start…According to Rippetoe…deadstart from the floor is the way to go…

It’s called a “dead” lift.

On the other hand, Jim also does it touch and go because he feels it helps his lockout

I have done both ways and I will agree that stopping and resetting is definitely more challenging. I also recommend it for anyone that has form issues. On the other hand, I prefer to touch and go because it allows me to do more reps. If I’m doing more reps, I’m doing more work and definitely getting stronger. Let me also say realistically speaking, if you are not using a flexible dl bar and aren’t on a springy platform 400-500 lbs of iron plates don’t exactly “bounce” off the floor.

This is one of my posts on a related topic, after switching from “touch & go” to dead start:

“As a person that has done “touch & go” since I started deadlifting, I can honestly say that release is MUCH, MUCH better and probably the ONLY way to deadlift (at least for me). When doing it “touch & go” I always had a very slow eccentric because I didn’t want to deal with a big bounce or didn’t want the bar to roll weird due to using octagonal plates, which in turn it also made me feel a bit of lower-back pain with every “touch”. With the release, you can do the eccentric part a little bit faster and setting the bar down completely made it feel like I was maintaining my form a bit better. Also, when doing higher reps than singles/doubles, it’s quite hard to keep the breathing right, whereas with the release you can reset your breathing at the bottom of each rep. Overall I think that if you have the ability to release, that should be the way to go, it really does feel like you get the FULL benefit and challenge on EVERY rep.”

Obviously, just my opinion. There seems to be guys that like either way better than the other.[/quote]

I believe this has A LOT to do with the form you use on teh deadlift, specifically, whether you’re able to stay in your “groove” on the eccentric. Using my current form, I HAVE to start from a dead stop each rep, because my bar path down is not the same as my bar path up.

When I’m allowed to do touch n go’s (I compete in strongman, so some comps allow this) I make my form more of a RDL/Goodmorning-type of form, where the eccentric matches the concentric