Kind of curious if anyone has tried any of this:
-wide stance zercher squats to help your sumo deadlift
-Any reason to add chains to the floor press as a raw bencher?
-defecit deadlifts, with chains so you still lockout with challenging weight
does anyone else have random ideas they’d like to share?
In my opinion, the zercher stuff is more like a strongman way of training. I don’t think you would want to consistently work with that, as if much easier to round the back with that technique. If you’re confortable with Zercher squats though, then I guess you could go ahead and do some from time to time.
I would guess that chains would help lockout and triceps strength, even for a raw bencher.
I’m not a fan of deficit deadlift, so I don’t really know about that.
To add to the thread, those are not weird ideas, but they’re ideas some people might not have tried yet in the gym :
Since we have squat racks that are always unoccupied in the gym, I like to set up a bench in the rack with the pins just at the right height. I do some warm-up sets in there, then try to set records with triples. It’s been 4 or 5 weeks and I’m still progressing pretty good. I also don’t unrack, I just leave it on the pins. It’s a different feeling to attack a bench from a totally dead weight position. I’m not a really strong bencher, but this really helps with the confidence I guess.
Box squatting is the shit. I just go 3-4 weeks doing heavy box squatting, then try a week of normal squatting. Everytime I went back, I was stronger than before. I’d recommend it to those who never tried it before.
I’d say stick to the similar movements and keep going at it.
If you have plateaued, try playing around with eccentrics, isometrics and set/loading, eg. wave load etc…
So far i’m reading CT’s stuff and i’m trying them out.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
-defecit deadlifts, with chains so you still lockout with challenging weight
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That sounds extremely interesting…
[quote]matso1236 wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
-defecit deadlifts, with chains so you still lockout with challenging weight
That sounds extremely interesting…
[/quote]
And REALLY dangerous…
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
matso1236 wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
-defecit deadlifts, with chains so you still lockout with challenging weight
That sounds extremely interesting…
And REALLY dangerous…[/quote]
elaborate please, exactly what makes it really dangerous?
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
matso1236 wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
-defecit deadlifts, with chains so you still lockout with challenging weight
That sounds extremely interesting…
And REALLY dangerous…[/quote]
on a 1-2inch platform with chains on the ends of the bar? I’m curious as to how it’s dangerous. YOu could use bands too.
I’ve always liked doing zercher squats.
I guess it is more a strongman type lift, but if you think about it zercher squats mimic the position you get in if you are helping a friend move their couch or some other big piece of furniture.
Either way I like them and use them in my training.
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Kind of curious if anyone has tried any of this:
-wide stance zercher squats to help your sumo deadlift
-Any reason to add chains to the floor press as a raw bencher?
-defecit deadlifts, with chains so you still lockout with challenging weight
does anyone else have random ideas they’d like to share?[/quote]
Im doing floor presses with chains right now, dont have any weight with chains tho only like 30lbs. I think that the extra lockout work and extra explosive power off the floor will be good either way.
Same goes for deficit deads with chains, it will make you real fast off the floor and make the lockout way harder.
It wouldnt be any more dangerous than normal deficit deadlifts.
[quote]Scrotus wrote:
Synthetickiller wrote:
matso1236 wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
-defecit deadlifts, with chains so you still lockout with challenging weight
That sounds extremely interesting…
And REALLY dangerous…
elaborate please, exactly what makes it really dangerous?
[/quote]
Most strength athletes don’t practice lowering the bar slowly for deadlift. I know I don’t. I think trying to slowly lower an above maximal deadlift just seems to put a huge amount of stress on the lower back. Just thinking about it, that’s really an insane load just to set down. As well, walking out of a rack w/ that kinda weight is not easy, and seems like a lot of energy will be spent doing that. Just sounds like too much of a hassle and danger to provide any huge gains. I’d think banded deadlifts or deads w/ chains would help lockout just as much.
Have any of you guys tried it? I’d like to actually hear some first impressions on doing this sort of lift before doing it myself.
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
Scrotus wrote:
Synthetickiller wrote:
matso1236 wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
-defecit deadlifts, with chains so you still lockout with challenging weight
That sounds extremely interesting…
And REALLY dangerous…
elaborate please, exactly what makes it really dangerous?
Most strength athletes don’t practice lowering the bar slowly for deadlift. I know I don’t. I think trying to slowly lower an above maximal deadlift just seems to put a huge amount of stress on the lower back. Just thinking about it, that’s really an insane load just to set down. As well, walking out of a rack w/ that kinda weight is not easy, and seems like a lot of energy will be spent doing that. Just sounds like too much of a hassle and danger to provide any huge gains. I’d think banded deadlifts or deads w/ chains would help lockout just as much.
Have any of you guys tried it? I’d like to actually hear some first impressions on doing this sort of lift before doing it myself. [/quote]
How does lowering 400 lbs differ from lifting 400 lb.
How does lowering it slowly place “a huge amount of stress on the lower back”. And isn’t stressing the organism the stimulus that causes it to adapt? W = f x d.
TNT
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
Scrotus wrote:
Synthetickiller wrote:
matso1236 wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
-defecit deadlifts, with chains so you still lockout with challenging weight
That sounds extremely interesting…
And REALLY dangerous…
elaborate please, exactly what makes it really dangerous?
Most strength athletes don’t practice lowering the bar slowly for deadlift. I know I don’t. I think trying to slowly lower an above maximal deadlift just seems to put a huge amount of stress on the lower back. Just thinking about it, that’s really an insane load just to set down. As well, walking out of a rack w/ that kinda weight is not easy, and seems like a lot of energy will be spent doing that. Just sounds like too much of a hassle and danger to provide any huge gains. I’d think banded deadlifts or deads w/ chains would help lockout just as much.
Have any of you guys tried it? I’d like to actually hear some first impressions on doing this sort of lift before doing it myself. [/quote]
I don’t understand. Why would you walk out of the rack with a deadlift? Why would you have to lower the weight any slower than a normal DL?
I think you misunderstand what a deficit deadlift is. It’s just a DL standing on blocks or something raising the lifter a few inches. Like this:
[quote]malonetd wrote:
Synthetickiller wrote:
Scrotus wrote:
Synthetickiller wrote:
matso1236 wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
-defecit deadlifts, with chains so you still lockout with challenging weight
That sounds extremely interesting…
And REALLY dangerous…
elaborate please, exactly what makes it really dangerous?
Most strength athletes don’t practice lowering the bar slowly for deadlift. I know I don’t. I think trying to slowly lower an above maximal deadlift just seems to put a huge amount of stress on the lower back. Just thinking about it, that’s really an insane load just to set down. As well, walking out of a rack w/ that kinda weight is not easy, and seems like a lot of energy will be spent doing that. Just sounds like too much of a hassle and danger to provide any huge gains. I’d think banded deadlifts or deads w/ chains would help lockout just as much.
Have any of you guys tried it? I’d like to actually hear some first impressions on doing this sort of lift before doing it myself.
I don’t understand. Why would you walk out of the rack with a deadlift? Why would you have to lower the weight any slower than a normal DL?
I think you misunderstand what a deficit deadlift is. It’s just a DL standing on blocks or something raising the lifter a few inches. Like this:
4" Deficit Deadlift 435x6 - YouTube [/quote]
Ah, i misinterpreted what you were guys were talking about! I was confusing it w/ negatives.
Yeah, I used to do deficit deadlifts w/ chans, bands or both. They work VERY WELL for speed!
Sorry about that guys. Carry on…
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
malonetd wrote:
Synthetickiller wrote:
Scrotus wrote:
Synthetickiller wrote:
matso1236 wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
-defecit deadlifts, with chains so you still lockout with challenging weight
That sounds extremely interesting…
And REALLY dangerous…
elaborate please, exactly what makes it really dangerous?
Most strength athletes don’t practice lowering the bar slowly for deadlift. I know I don’t. I think trying to slowly lower an above maximal deadlift just seems to put a huge amount of stress on the lower back. Just thinking about it, that’s really an insane load just to set down. As well, walking out of a rack w/ that kinda weight is not easy, and seems like a lot of energy will be spent doing that. Just sounds like too much of a hassle and danger to provide any huge gains. I’d think banded deadlifts or deads w/ chains would help lockout just as much.
Have any of you guys tried it? I’d like to actually hear some first impressions on doing this sort of lift before doing it myself.
I don’t understand. Why would you walk out of the rack with a deadlift? Why would you have to lower the weight any slower than a normal DL?
I think you misunderstand what a deficit deadlift is. It’s just a DL standing on blocks or something raising the lifter a few inches. Like this:
Ah, i misinterpreted what you were guys were talking about! I was confusing it w/ negatives.
Yeah, I used to do deficit deadlifts w/ chans, bands or both. They work VERY WELL for speed!
Sorry about that guys. Carry on…[/quote]
would you consider them a good ME deadlift choice? I might run them after coan DL cycle.
If you have lockout troubles, I think they are touch notch.
Honestly, I feel these are better than rack pulls. They even help produce great speed so you don’t lose momentum.
Bands + chains are nice when you’re feeling REALLY good and want to punish yourself. The bar weight will be light, but the top end is insane.
It has its place if you are slow or your lockout sucks. Otherwise, it won’t fill that niche of helping people get the bar off the ground (that’s a given).
I only did them pulling sumo, but I can’t see why they won’t help a conventional lifter either.
Doing bands & chains from a deficit is just hell. The tension kinds in instantly and you have better pull hard or it will stop you dead.
You’d probably wanna do those as singles. At the most, triples. Its going to wear you out very quickly. Its a very westside barbell type exercise. You really can’t do a lot of volume with it and it seems like working up to a PR will help typically. I do think triples might help to maintain speed so you don’t lose it before that 3rd pull at a meet.
It really depends on your work load and gpp. It will help if you want to do them for triples.
I’ve actually been pulling from a deficit lately, just 35 lbs plates. I think is just super hard. I might have to throw bands in again. Thanks for making my life hell for me!
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
If you have lockout troubles, I think they are touch notch.
Honestly, I feel these are better than rack pulls. They even help produce great speed so you don’t lose momentum.
Bands + chains are nice when you’re feeling REALLY good and want to punish yourself. The bar weight will be light, but the top end is insane.
It has its place if you are slow or your lockout sucks. Otherwise, it won’t fill that niche of helping people get the bar off the ground (that’s a given).
I only did them pulling sumo, but I can’t see why they won’t help a conventional lifter either.
Doing bands & chains from a deficit is just hell. The tension kinds in instantly and you have better pull hard or it will stop you dead.
You’d probably wanna do those as singles. At the most, triples. Its going to wear you out very quickly. Its a very westside barbell type exercise. You really can’t do a lot of volume with it and it seems like working up to a PR will help typically. I do think triples might help to maintain speed so you don’t lose it before that 3rd pull at a meet.
It really depends on your work load and gpp. It will help if you want to do them for triples.
I’ve actually been pulling from a deficit lately, just 35 lbs plates. I think is just super hard. I might have to throw bands in again. Thanks for making my life hell for me![/quote]
Ha, I think I’ll run them for like 6-8 weeks after coan DL. I know I’ll need a change of pace after 12 weeks, and I just finished week 1. haha.
[quote]Synthetickiller wrote:
If you have lockout troubles, I think they are touch notch.
Honestly, I feel these are better than rack pulls. They even help produce great speed so you don’t lose momentum.
Bands + chains are nice when you’re feeling REALLY good and want to punish yourself. The bar weight will be light, but the top end is insane.
It has its place if you are slow or your lockout sucks. Otherwise, it won’t fill that niche of helping people get the bar off the ground (that’s a given).
I only did them pulling sumo, but I can’t see why they won’t help a conventional lifter either.
Doing bands & chains from a deficit is just hell. The tension kinds in instantly and you have better pull hard or it will stop you dead.
You’d probably wanna do those as singles. At the most, triples. Its going to wear you out very quickly. Its a very westside barbell type exercise. You really can’t do a lot of volume with it and it seems like working up to a PR will help typically. I do think triples might help to maintain speed so you don’t lose it before that 3rd pull at a meet.
It really depends on your work load and gpp. It will help if you want to do them for triples.
I’ve actually been pulling from a deficit lately, just 35 lbs plates. I think is just super hard. I might have to throw bands in again. Thanks for making my life hell for me![/quote]
Im slow and my lockout sucks, its a win win lol
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Kind of curious if anyone has tried any of this:
-wide stance zercher squats to help your sumo deadlift
-Any reason to add chains to the floor press as a raw bencher?
-defecit deadlifts, with chains so you still lockout with challenging weight
does anyone else have random ideas they’d like to share?[/quote]
How about sumo zercher deadlifts w/ chains?
[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
-defecit deadlifts, with chains so you still lockout with challenging weight
[/quote]
I have done these. It makes for a long damn grinding pull. I’ve also done then with band from a deficit.
I also like pulling the weight off of 4 inch high blocks with chains.