Weird Results - What Is This Crap?

Bigger Stronger Leaner Competitive Bodybuilding
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Wreckless wrote:
I don’t think you’re building a lot of muscle. I think you’re getting stronger because of neural adaptations. That is, you learn how to do the exercises and your CNS learns how to use the muscles you have more efficiently.
You loose fat and that brings out the muscles more. Giving you a more muscular look.

Since you’re a beginner, you’re probably building some muscle, but not much.

Gradually eat more. Add like 100-150 kcal/daily a week, and keep it at that level for 1 or 2 weeks. Than add some more. Your body should adapt without storing fat by increasing your metabolism.

Why is anyone helping this guy at this point?[/quote]

Well clearly we all see what you don’t. He is the Next Arnold. I mean come on he has cut his calories drastically low and he is gaining muscle. How much more evidence do you need? Clearly Professor you don’t know shit and that 270lbs came by chance. Duh!

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[quote]WantAbs wrote:
I didn’t see this yet http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=640350 Do the research you’ll learn alot in the process and won’t ask stupid questions anymore and get flamed. I’m new at this too but somebody fired that link at me and I am still reading!! Do yourself a favor and read up.
[/quote]

Hey wantabs, did you read my thread? Clearly you didn’t. If you would have you would see my 2000 calorie a day intake is fine (even though I am upping it a tad), by Dr. B’s standards (and far above what the V diet) drops people to in a cutting phase.

I’ve read the beginners post and I’ve done my research. I think after some people did the math they figured that out.

But thanks for putting your two cents in.

EDIT" That would apply to mdragon as well. Learn to read.

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[quote]RoadWarrior wrote:
Two words…Precision Nutrition. Try it.[/quote]

Road, thanks. I haven’t seen that before. Right now I’m trying to unlearn a lift time of bad eating habits. I grew up on a lot of highly processed crabs, and processed sugars (IE refined pastas, were Italian).

Right now I’m trying to shift to a higher prot. diet.

Maybe something like 60%P/20%F/10%C.

All though I’ve read some articles about staying below 100 carbs (that’s hard for me). I really like fruit and fat free yogurt in my shakes which I think is putting over my carb goals. I’m trying to see exactly how my body reacts to different foods. Once I see how my body reacts to select foods (and at what time I eat them) I will know what diet style to follow. I’m trying to keep my carbs to post work outs to maximize recovery. I’ve been playing around with that is the latest times in the day I can eat carbs, and just eat in general. I try to go to bed around 10 to 10:30, having my last meal around 7pm really seems to work well for me for fat loss.

But thanks again, I’m sure I will reference that sight in the future.

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Just to put an end to all this, what does Smack need to eat bull shit:

The link - http://www.johnberardi.com/calc.htm

The results of what I need based on my weight, work out, and cardio. These are meals not having to switch ratios for non-workout days, and work out days. (Just straight 7 day a week meals for maintenance.)

2833 calories

1700 calories of protein 425 grams or protein a day (which I am a bit short on)
283 calories of carbs 71 carbs a day
850 calories of cat 94 grams of fat a day

Average Protein & Carb Meal: 85g Protein 35g Carb
Average Protein & Fat Meal: 85g Protein 31g Fat

So to all to “experts” who knew so much more then me and apparently Dr. Berardi, and where saying I was “dangerously” low. Suuuuuck it.

For the week I’m 5831 calories in debt, which is 1.66lbs of fat a week. Which is as far as I know an ambitions but safe goal for fat loss.

Any one else care to comment on my diet?

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lol yeah I’ll wear that.

Still, nobody asked about his activity levels etc which are still quite important.

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[quote]aussie_jono wrote:
Professor X wrote:You happen to be the stupid one this time. I think everyone else BUT YOU clicked on his name to see his stats.

lol yeah I’ll wear that.

Still, nobody asked about his activity levels etc which are still quite important.
[/quote]

Aussie,

I think you are the smartest person on these forums.

Much love

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We need a “validate my eating/image disorder” section to the forums. :slight_smile:

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[quote]Smack78 wrote:
Just to put an end to all this, what does Smack need to eat bull shit:

The link - http://www.johnberardi.com/calc.htm

The results of what I need based on my weight, work out, and cardio. These are meals not having to switch ratios for non-workout days, and work out days. (Just straight 7 day a week meals for maintenance.)

2833 calories

1700 calories of protein 425 grams or protein a day (which I am a bit short on)
283 calories of carbs 71 carbs a day
850 calories of cat 94 grams of fat a day

Average Protein & Carb Meal: 85g Protein 35g Carb
Average Protein & Fat Meal: 85g Protein 31g Fat

So to all to “experts” who knew so much more then me and apparently Dr. Berardi, and where saying I was “dangerously” low. Suuuuuck it.

For the week I’m 5831 calories in debt, which is 1.66lbs of fat a week. Which is as far as I know an ambitions but safe goal for fat loss.

Any one else care to comment on my diet?
[/quote]

Finally you are in the right direction. If you just searched the forum and read the tons of articles available before you posted this thread, you could have spared a lot of people of wasted time.
Bottom line, at least you founnd the light at the end of the tunne.

Good luck!

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[quote]aussie_jono wrote:
Professor X wrote:You happen to be the stupid one this time. I think everyone else BUT YOU clicked on his name to see his stats.

lol yeah I’ll wear that.

Still, nobody asked about his activity levels etc which are still quite important.
[/quote]

They didnt have to. This person was/is burining 1/2 of his daily calories on cardio alone.

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[quote]Smack78 wrote:
WantAbs wrote:
I didn’t see this yet http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=640350 Do the research you’ll learn alot in the process and won’t ask stupid questions anymore and get flamed. I’m new at this too but somebody fired that link at me and I am still reading!! Do yourself a favor and read up.

Hey wantabs, did you read my thread? Clearly you didn’t. If you would have you would see my 2000 calorie a day intake is fine (even though I am upping it a tad), by Dr. B’s standards (and far above what the V diet) drops people to in a cutting phase.

I’ve read the beginners post and I’ve done my research. I think after some people did the math they figured that out.

But thanks for putting your two cents in.

EDIT" That would apply to mdragon as well. Learn to read.[/quote]

Yes I did read your thread and to me it seemed like you need to check out the beginners thread, I asked the same damn questions before I started reading the info on that thread, once I started reading I realized that if I just did what others said, RESEARCH, I found alot of answers to my questions. Now I have PM’d a few people here and there that seem very knowledgeable to clarify some stuff but for the most part reading the articles saved me some flaming. To me your attitude is what is going to keep you from any success, bad attitude = failure. By the way most of the eat,lift heavy,sleep,repeat advice is ACTUALLY what works. Good luck.

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[quote]PGA200X wrote:
aussie_jono wrote:
Professor X wrote:You happen to be the stupid one this time. I think everyone else BUT YOU clicked on his name to see his stats.

lol yeah I’ll wear that.

Still, nobody asked about his activity levels etc which are still quite important.

They didnt have to. This person was/is burining 1/2 of his daily calories on cardio alone.[/quote]

At this point I find your post a bit funny PGA. If I use the standard Dr. B calc. enter in my stats, including my work out and my cardio. Note: INCLUDING my cardio. I find my caloric needs for the day, which happens to be about 2800: again including my cardio. How does your math work?

Basically if I didn’t do cardio I would need about 1800 cals a day for maint. Why you may ask, because I sit on my ass due to school and work the other hours of the day. Aussie_jono seems to be the only one who gets this fact.

I’ll lay it out even more clear

9:00am Smack wakes up - has a protein shake
9:30am Goes to the gym
11:00am leave the gym
—eat through out the day—
11:30 go to class / work
11:30 on = sit on my ass at class / work
10:pm go to sleep

WHOA!

Sooo previously with out my gym routine I would have most likely needed about 1800 or so cals a day. With the gym it bumps me up another grand or so, which I burn off in an attempt to burn off body fat.

1800 = no gym maint
2800ish = maint + gym(and cardio included)
2800ish (maint) - 2000(cals) = 800 caloric def per day.

This is not even counting the fact I go to the gym 5 days a week so my maint on the other 2 days is lower.

TOTAL = 5600 calorie a week caloric loss (or about 1.6lbs of fat)

PGA: This is specifically at you. I had a physics class this past semester. Wonderful teacher. One thing he taught us is the numbers don’t lie. Do the math man, and do it again, and again. There is a reason I am eat the calories I am. You clearly lack faith in the math. Every one has told me to read up on this site use it to be healthy, I have done EXACTLY that. The difference is I trust the math.

But at this point I’m just not angry andy more. In fact thank you for forcing me to go back and check my numbers again.

Much love,
Smack!

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you have a bad attitude problem for a total newb, i sense you are going to go far

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[quote]john-lennon wrote:
you have a bad attitude problem for a total newb, i sense you are going to go far [/quote]

Well since you can make no actual reply to the FACTS that I have posted, thanks. I like my attitude problem when people make assumptions about my diet with out asking any sorts of questions about my daily activities, or what my training goals are.

Until you have something of actual relevance to say, have a nice day.

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[quote]WantAbs wrote:
Smack78 wrote:
WantAbs wrote:
I didn’t see this yet http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=640350 Do the research you’ll learn alot in the process and won’t ask stupid questions anymore and get flamed. I’m new at this too but somebody fired that link at me and I am still reading!! Do yourself a favor and read up.

Hey wantabs, did you read my thread? Clearly you didn’t. If you would have you would see my 2000 calorie a day intake is fine (even though I am upping it a tad), by Dr. B’s standards (and far above what the V diet) drops people to in a cutting phase.

I’ve read the beginners post and I’ve done my research. I think after some people did the math they figured that out.

But thanks for putting your two cents in.

EDIT" That would apply to mdragon as well. Learn to read.

Yes I did read your thread and to me it seemed like you need to check out the beginners thread, I asked the same damn questions before I started reading the info on that thread, once I started reading I realized that if I just did what others said, RESEARCH, I found alot of answers to my questions. Now I have PM’d a few people here and there that seem very knowledgeable to clarify some stuff but for the most part reading the articles saved me some flaming. To me your attitude is what is going to keep you from any success, bad attitude = failure. By the way most of the eat,lift heavy,sleep,repeat advice is ACTUALLY what works. Good luck.[/quote]

Again Wantabs can you read? Did you read my work out? Did you ask how much sleep I got? Clearly you did neither. As far as peoples comments about my attitude, yup I have one. Want to know why, because people think they know every thing about me with out asking one question.

Now if on the other hand you wish to find a flaw in my math for my consumption of calories. Well have at it. I clearly posted my caloric needs according to Dr. B in the above post. Until you can take your e-peen out of your mount and show up with some facts,
have a nice day.

And for the record - I try and sleep 9 to 10 hours a night, my cardio is blow a jogging pace 60 to 65% heart rate, I lift according to a plain I based of the Prof’s actually. Many compound movements (IE squats, deadlifts, bench, etc)

KK thx by,
Smack!

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[quote]Smack78 wrote:
Azsdaha thank you, aussie_jono thank you. People asking questions as to why my cals may not need to be as high.

Yes I have a desk job 3 days a week, that I basiclly sit in a chair and don’t move much for 12 hours. Second I go to college where I sit for probibly about 6 hours a day. Out side of the gym I’m not really very active. I’m more into reading and so forth then playing sports. Sooo really the gym is where I burn a good chunk of my cals.

Thanks to those of you who provided constructive feed back, and those who asked questions about my routine in order to understand my current nutritional needs.[/quote]

I go to college where I learn how to spell probably correctly.

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[quote]Smack78 wrote:
At this point I find your post a bit funny PGA. If I use the standard Dr. B calc. enter in my stats, including my work out and my cardio. Note: INCLUDING my cardio. I find my caloric needs for the day, which happens to be about 2800: again including my cardio. How does your math work?

Basically if I didn’t do cardio I would need about 1800 cals a day for maint. Why you may ask, because I sit on my ass due to school and work the other hours of the day. Aussie_jono seems to be the only one who gets this fact.

I’ll lay it out even more clear

9:00am Smack wakes up - has a protein shake
9:30am Goes to the gym
11:00am leave the gym
—eat through out the day—
11:30 go to class / work
11:30 on = sit on my ass at class / work
10:pm go to sleep

WHOA!

Sooo previously with out my gym routine I would have most likely needed about 1800 or so cals a day. With the gym it bumps me up another grand or so, which I burn off in an attempt to burn off body fat.

1800 = no gym maint
2800ish = maint + gym(and cardio included)
2800ish (maint) - 2000(cals) = 800 caloric def per day.

This is not even counting the fact I go to the gym 5 days a week so my maint on the other 2 days is lower.

TOTAL = 5600 calorie a week caloric loss (or about 1.6lbs of fat)

PGA: This is specifically at you. I had a physics class this past semester. Wonderful teacher. One thing he taught us is the numbers don’t lie. Do the math man, and do it again, and again. There is a reason I am eat the calories I am. You clearly lack faith in the math. Every one has told me to read up on this site use it to be healthy, I have done EXACTLY that. The difference is I trust the math.

But at this point I’m just not angry andy more. In fact thank you for forcing me to go back and check my numbers again.

Much love,
Smack![/quote]

A 195lb person with 20% BF who doesnt work out, according to JB’s calculator needs 2987 cals a day to maintain.

A 195lb man with 20% BF that wants to “dont diet” requires 2539 cals, with no working out.

A 195lb man with 20% BF that wants to do the “Winning Formula” with 60 minutes of cardio needs 2802 cals a day.

A 195lb man with 20% BF that uses free weights for 45 minutes and does light running cardio for 60 minutes requires 4116 cals on training day and 3296 cals on non training days to maintain.

A 195lb man with 20% BF that does no gym work whatssoever and light office work needs 3296 to maintain.

This is all according to JB’s calculator…

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[quote]PGA200X wrote:
A 195lb person with 20% BF who doesnt work out, according to JB’s calculator needs 2987 cals a day to maintain.

A 195lb man with 20% BF that wants to “dont diet” requires 2539 cals, with no working out.

A 195lb man with 20% BF that wants to do the “Winning Formula” with 60 minutes of cardio needs 2802 cals a day.

A 195lb man with 20% BF that uses free weights for 45 minutes and does light running cardio for 60 minutes requires 4116 cals on training day and 3296 cals on non training days to maintain.

A 195lb man with 20% BF that does no gym work whatssoever and light office work needs 3296 to maintain.

This is all according to JB’s calculator…[/quote]

Now now, don’t confuse attitude boy with facts and figures man.

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Ok PGA, I’m going to ask a ligit question here. Maybe I’m using the calc wrong.

Here is what I put in:

Don’t diet
Male
195lbs
20% BF
Activity - Very light because out side the gym I really don’t do shit. Moslty I sit in a chair.
High Protien intake
Intense Free wiehgt training: 45min
Walking high intensity 60 min (I don’t break a sweat when I use the eliptical mech) but according to the mach I’m burning about 900 cals over the hour.

Prot60% Carb10% Fat30%

2 P+C meals
3 P+F meals

And it works out my maint is 2900?

What exactly are you entering, because when I enter that in I get 2900 for maint?

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[quote]Smack78 wrote:
Ok PGA, I’m going to ask a ligit question here. Maybe I’m using the calc wrong.

Here is what I put in:

Don’t diet
Male
195lbs
20% BF
Activity - Very light because out side the gym I really don’t do shit. Moslty I sit in a chair.
High Protien intake
Intense Free wiehgt training: 45min
Walking high intensity 60 min (I don’t break a sweat when I use the eliptical mech) but according to the mach I’m burning about 900 cals over the hour.

Prot60% Carb10% Fat30%

2 P+C meals
3 P+F meals

And it works out my maint is 2900?

What exactly are you entering, because when I enter that in I get 2900 for maint?
[/quote]

I get the same number as you. You DONT subtract 500 cals from that number. Thats NOT to maintain, thats to “DONT DIET!” That IS your cutting caloric level.

Your MAINTENANCE for the same specs is 4374 cals on training day and 3399 cals for non-training days.

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I hear by admit I can not read the fucking calculator!