if your fuck buddy is so fucking qualified and knows more than everyone on this site, why in the hell are you asking anyone on here? stop being an arrogant fuckwad. my friends friends sister who im fucking so she wouldnt lie to me EVER tells me your an idiot.
Prof, thanks. That was at least a constructive post. I did use the calorie calc. from Dr. B. According to the calc I should be getting about 2600 cals a day for maint for my height and physical activity (I was assuming a 1.6 multiplier) because I have a desk job for 12 hours a day. Sooo based on this calculator I’m about 600 cals a day in debt at the moment. I’m just working with the numbers I figured here. In time I’m sure I will most likely up my cals to about 2225, which would allow .75lbs of body fat loss per week (which is my long term average goal) over the next year.
What I am surprised at, and thus my post is that under this caloric debt (which I’m aware I’m under) I’m gaining muscle mass. That’s my surprise. Some of you have posted that this is common for people who are increasing the QUALITY of their food, and are new to lifting, and that’s fine.
There is a lot of great information on this site. Prof-X I’ve seen your photo’s and your build is impressive, but not every one who asks a question is a retard, or seeking to be a teen boy model. Some of us have tried to rush head long into the “perfect life style” only to fail because it was to much to fast. This time around I’m doing things slowly, making small adjustments here and there until I’m right where I should be.
This is why I asked a specific question. I was looking for a specific answer. Some of you were kind enough to give it. To those thank you.
[quote]aussie_jono wrote:
Ignore all of the generic “Dood u like totally needz ta eet more, u r like starving youself!”
How much do you weigh? If you only weigh around 60kgs (approx 135lb for those who can’t understand metric) eating around 2,000 cals is probably enough.
I can’t believe that anyone is stupid enough to offer an opinion on your approximate caloric expenditure without knowing your weight. That is the main factor in determining BMR.
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His profile says 195, and 5’8". You can do the math, 2,000 for someone of that height and weight who’s also working out is not enough. I was that weight with pretty much the same from 7 months ago.
I had something similar to the OP happen. My weight also didn’t drop, at all, no matter how few calories and cardio I did, for weeks. Sub-2000 Cals and still didn’t go under 210 except for when dehydrated.
Upped the calories to 2400, and like the OP, started feeling like utter crap, sluggish and tired. However, instead of doing what he’s doing, and going back under 2000, where I had been feeling ok at, I upped them to 3000 instead. Now the mass changes are coming alot quicker, and have more energy.
As someone else pointed out, your metabolism slows when you cut the cal’s. It’s not effective, and no, your body does not become super efficient and all of a sudden need less calories, the current path will have you burn out sooner or later. Slow, steady, controlled weight loss with a correct calorie intake is much much better.
[quote]john-lennon wrote:
if your fuck buddy is so fucking qualified and knows more than everyone on this site, why in the hell are you asking anyone on here? stop being an arrogant fuckwad. my friends friends sister who im fucking so she wouldnt lie to me EVER tells me your an idiot.[/quote]
Hey john-lennon why don’t you go get shot in the head and die. Read the OP, I was asking if anyone else has had this type of experience while in calorie debt.
Have a good night…
[quote]aussie_jono wrote:
Ignore all of the generic “Dood u like totally needz ta eet more, u r like starving youself!”
How much do you weigh? If you only weigh around 60kgs (approx 135lb for those who can’t understand metric) eating around 2,000 cals is probably enough.
I can’t believe that anyone is stupid enough to offer an opinion on your approximate caloric expenditure without knowing your weight. That is the main factor in determining BMR.
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You happen to be the stupid one this time. I think everyone else BUT YOU clicked on his name to see his stats.
[quote]Kelin wrote:
His profile says 195, and 5’8"[/quote]
Ok, I didn’t read his profile. That involves clicking another link, and seeing as I’m extremely busy I didn’t have time to do that (Note for slow people - I was using sarcasm in a poor attempt at humour) Seeing as this is the internet, I’d suggest he’s probably 5’7" and 180. Even so, he should be losing weight at that level of calorie deficit.
To the OP: Are you physically active during the day? Or do you spend 12+ hours a day sitting on your ass like I do? If you are extremely inactive, a little cardio might do you good and help raise your metabolism a bit. Don’t overdo it though.
If you are already somewhat active, you are a lost cause 
I have had some similar experiences. However they differ from yours in the sense that I did not lower my intake I just changed the compostion of it.
Basically I dumped the carbs, to about 1 - 2 portions for a two week period, then ate carbs for a week then did the almost no carb thing again for 2 weeks.
Again though I drank a lot of milk, had a large quantity of Beef, cheese and kidney beans ( chilli anyone ? ).
Result was losing ( please for the love of God no more loosing please, and out weigh not out way) quite a bit a of body fat, though I didnt make massive gains in terms of lbm.
Looked better cause the fat loss just allowed the muscles to seen more clearly.
Hope that helps.
Azsdaha thank you, aussie_jono thank you. People asking questions as to why my cals may not need to be as high.
Yes I have a desk job 3 days a week, that I basiclly sit in a chair and don’t move much for 12 hours. Second I go to college where I sit for probibly about 6 hours a day. Out side of the gym I’m not really very active. I’m more into reading and so forth then playing sports. Sooo really the gym is where I burn a good chunk of my cals.
Thanks to those of you who provided constructive feed back, and those who asked questions about my routine in order to understand my current nutritional needs.
[quote]Smack78 wrote such gems as:
To those who are so fast to spew their opinions and make assumptions, I have increased my calories when my body has told me I need to do so. I will continue to adjust my calories up if my body tells me I need to do so, no sooner no later
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Hey john-lennon why don’t you go get shot in the head and die. Read the OP, I was asking if anyone else has had this type of experience while in calorie debt.[/quote]
First, your body isn’t going to tell you shit. It’s going to react to what you do to it. You can either learn enough to do the right things, or you can continue to fuck around and not be very happy with your long term results.
Second, while caustic, the person you are telling to read the OP described his situation as EXACTLY like yours and what he did about it… to which you chastise him for not providing advice to your situation.
SHUT THE FUCK UP AND LISTEN IF YOU ARE GOING TO ASK FOR ADVICE. IDIOT!
Ok, I think some of you have damaged your brain from working out to much.
READ!
In my OP I said (in summary) with my cals and cardio shouldn’t I be dropping more fat then the muscle mass I’m gaining. Is that clear? Do I have to state it any more clearly? Did I state ANY WHERE in my OP that I was WORRIED about fat gains? I was asking a question.
The person who replied to my post with an answer was THANKED
“Thanks to those of you who provided constructive feed back, and those who asked questions about my routine in order to understand my current nutritional needs.”
Did you read that? Can you read? If so did you see the part where I said I was slowly increasing the calories in my diet? Did you see that according to Dr. B’s calculator I need 2600 cals a day, because I don’t move much out side the gym? So if I stay to 2000 cals a day that means I’ll burn slightly over 1lb of fat a week. Did you read that? Did you read that I would most likely in the future up my cals to about 2225 a day, thus only having a caloric debt of about 400 cals a day? All these numbers are all Dr. B’s calculator that every one uses, so unless you’re going to tell me it’s wrong, LEARN TO FUCKING COMPREHEND! That’s what happens when you read the words on the page and attempt to understand the point that the person is making.
Never once did I say I was trying to drop cals, I said I was increasing them slowly. In fact Vroom it was you in a former post who told me if I felt I was feeling sluggish to increase my calories slowly. That?s exactly what I have been doing.
Comprehension 101 for the fucking win!
How much lean mass do you have?
your stomache shrinks when you eat less so you wont get as hungry as if you ate 8000 calories and droped it to 3000 but it dosent mean thats how many calories your body is telling you to eat [or how ever you put it] if you have 130 pounds of lean mass then I guess you could stick to 2000 calories but to be healthy like you talked about you need a good amount of mass and as you get thinner your gains will slow and you wont be putting on muscle and youl lose some muscle that you have put on cut down cardio a bit keep lifting how your lifting and raise your calories in healthy foods to like 2500-3000 and youl lose a “healthy” amount of fat a week 1-2 pounds unless you have put your metabalism through the floor wich is unhealthy and you said that you want to take things slow and listen to your body these guys are telling you how to do that if you realy wanted to end up healthy stronger than before athletic do what thier saying
Another case of someone looking for the answer they want to hear…
If your friend is so great you dont need anybody’s help here. Go ask her for her help. She’s all you need and she’ll tell you what you want to hear.
Take care,
PGA
I don’t think you’re building a lot of muscle. I think you’re getting stronger because of neural adaptations. That is, you learn how to do the exercises and your CNS learns how to use the muscles you have more efficiently.
You loose fat and that brings out the muscles more. Giving you a more muscular look.
Since you’re a beginner, you’re probably building some muscle, but not much.
Gradually eat more. Add like 100-150 kcal/daily a week, and keep it at that level for 1 or 2 weeks. Than add some more. Your body should adapt without storing fat by increasing your metabolism.
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I don’t think you’re building a lot of muscle. I think you’re getting stronger because of neural adaptations. That is, you learn how to do the exercises and your CNS learns how to use the muscles you have more efficiently.
You loose fat and that brings out the muscles more. Giving you a more muscular look.
Since you’re a beginner, you’re probably building some muscle, but not much.
Gradually eat more. Add like 100-150 kcal/daily a week, and keep it at that level for 1 or 2 weeks. Than add some more. Your body should adapt without storing fat by increasing your metabolism.[/quote]
Why is anyone helping this guy at this point?
[quote]Wreckless wrote:
I don’t think you’re building a lot of muscle. I think you’re getting stronger because of neural adaptations. That is, you learn how to do the exercises and your CNS learns how to use the muscles you have more efficiently.
You loose fat and that brings out the muscles more. Giving you a more muscular look.
Since you’re a beginner, you’re probably building some muscle, but not much.
Gradually eat more. Add like 100-150 kcal/daily a week, and keep it at that level for 1 or 2 weeks. Than add some more. Your body should adapt without storing fat by increasing your metabolism.[/quote]
Wreckless thank you! You gave me information, that’s the type of reasonable reply I was looking for. This week I’m going to add in another 150 to 250 calories into my diet by adding in organic penut butter into my post work out protein shakes. I was reading in a sports journal that adding good fats specifically post work out can help in the recovery process.
This should bump me up to about 2200 to 2300 calories a day. As I stated before according to Dr. B’s calorie calculator that will put me 300 to 400 calories in the hole for the day, allowing a pound of fat loss a week.
[quote]Smack78 wrote:
You gave me information, that’s the type of reasonable reply I was looking for.[/quote]
Dude, a lot of folks have given you good information. I think perhaps you don’t recognize it yet.
Keep on reading up around the site. There are a ton of good articles on here with respect to nutrition and training. Eventually you’ll recognize the value of the other posts…
[quote]Smack78 wrote:
Well here’s the thing. I’ve got body fat that I need to loose I know this.
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It never ends, does it?
[quote]vroom wrote:
Smack78 wrote:
You gave me information, that’s the type of reasonable reply I was looking for.
Dude, a lot of folks have given you good information. I think perhaps you don’t recognize it yet.
Keep on reading up around the site. There are a ton of good articles on here with respect to nutrition and training. Eventually you recognize the value of the other posts…[/quote]
Vroom, I totally agree there is a wealth of information on this site, you being one of them. However it’s an irritation when people answer a specific question about fat loss to muscle gain ratio with: EAT MORE BITCH!
I’m well aware that to get my metabolism fired up I will need to take in more calories. However what I don’t want to do is fall into a pattern of eating unhealthy just to fill my calories. The fact is I hate meal planning, so I need to find simple and convenient ways to add just the right amount of healthy calories into my diet so I can continue my fat loss while minimizing muscle loss.
A dietitian told a friend of mine: “you didn’t get fat in a matter of weeks, so don’t expect to get fit in weeks”. I grew up on a lot of junk food due to what was provided for me. I’m learning how to eat healthy in a manner I can manage. For some reason people seemed to get all prissy don’t eat X amount of calories a day RIGHT NOW. I have worked out in the past, but that what it was just working out. This time I’m trying to make life style changes and that takes time; it has to be done at a rate that I can sustain and not burn out on.
In all reality like I have stated many times eating 2000 calories is not bad for me. I have a desk job for 12 hours a day 3 days a week, and I have college where I sit for 6 hours a day the other days. According to Dr. B’s calorie calculator I should get 2600 calories a day for my weight height and activity (that’s at a 1.2 multiplier) even if I bump up to the 1.6 multiplier I would need about 3000 calories a day. Now if I’m eating 2000 calories a day that would be 1000 below my high end calculation. This would mean I’m 7000 calories a week in debt aka 2lbs of fat loss a week. This is not “dangerous” like some of you are saying. 2lbs a week is aggressive, but by no means anorexic.
I have done my research; I want this to be a life change not a quick fix. Before people start yelling: EAT MORE BITCH, they should ask a few questions. Maybe the person has done a bit of research, and even though on the surface things my seem strange there may be a reason to their madness.
PS Thanks for the feedback Vroom = )
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I didn’t see this yet http://www.T-Nation.com/readTopic.do?id=640350 Do the research you’ll learn alot in the process and won’t ask stupid questions anymore and get flamed. I’m new at this too but somebody fired that link at me and I am still reading!! Do yourself a favor and read up.