Weed

For all of you that believe that smoking is not NECESSARILY a bad thing, I agree with you. However, I’d like to share my experiences in hopes of helping those interested in smoking bud.

I stopped smoking about a year ago.

I can honestly say that a combination of trying to look cool and marijuana sucked the ambition clean out of my balls and almost ruined my life for good.

I started smoking when I was about 15, I’m 21 now. I hung out with other potheads, and eventually ONLY hung out with other potheads. Some days I can remember smoking 5 blunts by myself and sharing 5 or 6 more with my friends. I eventually tried “hard” drugs but did not use them for lack of money. I also supplied other smokers for a while without even trying to earn money, just trying to have some free smoke. I completely stopped trying in school. I just stopped caring about pretty much everything. I became a heavy drinker for quite a wihle and racked up numerous alcohol charges.

Since I stopped, I can honestly say my life has completely changed. It all began when I started training again and visiting T-Nation. By the grace of God, I was able to wake up and realize how stupid I was for behaving that way. Today, I come across some of those who did not smarten up and continue to smoke. Most of them have now switched to cocaine as their drug of choice. Others still have a few brain cells left that steer them away but for how long? They have a difficult time carrying on a conversation. I realize I could have been just like them.

Maybe if I would have just used marijuana in moderation, I would not have fucked up so many things in my life. Who knows?

But for all you considering or currently smoking, you better have some sort of control and maintain awareness of how it is effecting your life.

What about the carbon monoxide in your lungs and bloodstream?

If you’re gonna do it, make some brownies and eat the shit.

quote ~Today, I come across some of those who did not smarten up and continue to smoke. Most of them have now switched to cocaine as their drug of choice. Others still have a few brain cells left that steer them away but for how long? They have a difficult time carrying on a conversation. I realize I could have been just like them.~

I also had a friend who smoked more than snoop dog for years, he also graduated from MI State with honors. I also had teammates in highschool football, that used to either smoke weed or do lines before the game, guess what, they also made all-conference, and were the best players in the school. My opinion, its your personality type + your enviroment(ie, parents, teachers, coaches, siblings) that can make people losers, not drugs. Its a shame that people pass judgements of others not knowing too much about them.

But I guess if that makes you happy to now look down on people for doing stuff that you yourself have done in the past and saying you could of ended up like your ‘loser’ friends, then to each his own!

Surprise,Surprise, No one acknowledging the estrogenic effects of T.H.C. How did they miss that? Probably too stoned.I know the debate is centered around a reduction in T levels,which seems to be a moot point, but I also know that you guys are asking the wrong question.If you tokers are willing to justify a “slight” reduction in T levels to get a good buzz on, thats one thing, but are you realy ready to risk the estrogenic side effects? Got bitch tits? Want some? Now that we’re past the idea that weed won’t negatively effect T levels,this would be the next line of thought to investigate.

I’ll tell you, T-Nation is awesome. I spun my wheels with Muscle & Fiction and Flex and the rest of those garbage publications until I discovered T-Mag. The stuff I’ve learned from here has gotten me real results. A gem amongst gravel.

That being said, bodybuilders in general (and some T-men) have this flawed ‘all or nothing’ mentality, this focusing on the minutia and not seeing the forest from the trees.

Moderation. That’s the word of the day. Having a few beers on the weekend isn’t going to kill you. Smoking weed the weekend isn’t going to kill you. Quoting Berardi’s article is great but did you read all of it? How stress and depression, by unemployment or otherwise, plays a big role in testosterone levels? From reading some of the responses it would seem that first toke would castrate you, kick out the Y chromosone and grow a pair of DD’s.

I guess my argument is a bit broader, but how can weed be condemned but steroids is discussed fairly? Some gear shrinks your balls, makes you grow bald prematurely and some other stuff that chicks don’t dig.

[quote]VinceDee wrote:
I’ll tell you, T-Nation is awesome. I spun my wheels with Muscle & Fiction and Flex and the rest of those garbage publications until I discovered T-Mag. The stuff I’ve learned from here has gotten me real results. A gem amongst gravel.

That being said, bodybuilders in general (and some T-men) have this flawed ‘all or nothing’ mentality, this focusing on the minutia and not seeing the forest from the trees.

Moderation. That’s the word of the day. Having a few beers on the weekend isn’t going to kill you. Smoking weed the weekend isn’t going to kill you. Quoting Berardi’s article is great but did you read all of it? How stress and depression, by unemployment or otherwise, plays a big role in testosterone levels? From reading some of the responses it would seem that first toke would castrate you, kick out the Y chromosone and grow a pair of DD’s.

I guess my argument is a bit broader, but how can weed be condemned but steroids is discussed fairly? Some gear shrinks your balls, makes you grow bald prematurely and some other stuff that chicks don’t dig.[/quote]

Steroids and marijuana are completely different, you can’t compare them with one another. Yes, steroids have negative side effects, they also have positive side effects - like more muscle mass. What are the benefits of smoking weed? You get a little bit relaxed. You don’t need marijuana to help you relax. Try some kava or chamomile tea. And besides if you need a substance to help you relax, then you have some bigger fuckin problems than “does weed affect my workouts and my T levels?”

Or theres the people that say that smoking weed is like an adventure and its exciting. Go bungee jumping, skydiving, drop a cinder block on your foot. Those are all adventurous and exciting things.

Downside:

  • drop in testosterone
  • increase in estrogen
  • carbon monoxide in your bloodstream
  • tar in your lungs

Upside:

  • good time
  • exhilirating

Like I said earlier, theres a lot of other things you can do that have just as many benefits without the drawbacks.

Chrismcl,

I guess you won’t be having any alcoholic drinks in this lifetime? You know, to bring in the New Year or during a toast for a large family dinner?

My god, get a grip folks. You’ve been so damned brainwashed by the “drugs are evil” group you don’t have any perspective. Sure, people can screw up their lives over alcohol or any other drug you name, but that doesn’t mean that others are unable to use it responsibly.

Some people abused ephedra, as well as other substances, and died. Now none of us are supposed to use ephedra. Steroids, especially in the early days, had some serious negative consequences. Now they are illegal even for responsible informed adult use. The same is true with prohormones.

Some substances are used socially. Some are used for other purposes. Some folks aren’t able to control themselves with respect to drugs – without even getting into the issue of extremely addictive substances.

Why don’t we just head straight back into prohibition and deny anything that anyone might want. No booze. No smoking. No sex. No fun. What is the point of being alive if you remove all the vices?

I am in charge of deciding what I want to do with my life. If I want to take some risks and enjoy some experiences, then let me. You make your choices for yourself and don’t bother worrying about what other people choose so much.

The world is full of busybodies who think we need another mom telling us how to live our lives.

By the way, I don’t smoke anything at all and I have no desire to. Put that in your pipe and smoke it!

Nevermind the whole brain degeneration thing, it’s the test in the body that degenerates from puffing herb.

Take some MAG-10 - if you still have any - the next day after you blaze to neutralize or counteract the test dropping hormones bieng produced.

Vit-E has been known as well to help stop the whole brain going bye-bye thing as well.

Don’t wake-'n-bake either. As cool as it might seem, nothing damages your innards more then smoke and THC before your body has any nutrients to work with to make your brain work. Im not here to judge, but I will add that no bodybuilder should smoke trees simply beacuse it will, above all else, hinder progress. We have enough of those through everyday life. Beer, pussy and chineese food being among the long, long list of distractions.

vroom said: “If I want to take some risks and enjoy some experiences, then let me.”

True to a point, however I wonder how many people are killed each year by drunken drivers who just wanted to “enjoy some experiences.”

With every liberty comes an equal amount of responsibility. Theoretically, anything and everything could be legal. The only problem is the above example. At what point do we say certain things are simply bad for society? Reason being that the persons behavior while under the influence of “whatever” effects society in a negative way, death, injury etc.

Keep in mind I am not for taking anyones rights away from them. I think we have to many restrictions as it is. Perhaps the answer lies with what the gun advocate groups such as the NRA have been saying for years: Prosecute those who actually commit a crime with a gun, and leave the rest of us alone.

Could this work with substances that can impair your ability to operate a motor vehicle or make a good decision? Perhaps. Would any of you be in favor of very strict penalities involving a motor vehicle accident if the driver was under the influence of any sort of drug, if it meant that that drug could in some form be legalized?

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Perhaps the answer lies with what the gun advocate groups such as the NRA have been saying for years: Prosecute those who actually commit a crime with a gun, and leave the rest of us alone. [/quote]

ZEB, I couldn’t help but notice that the views vroom expressed on these substances seem to contradict those that he holds regarding guns.

ived smoke weed for year and i have biggest arm ever.

Bandgeek,

Perhaps you could educate me as to what exactly my viewpoint is on guns and how it differs from my viewpoint on drugs, if it isn’t too off topic?

[quote]Mack wrote:
quote ~Today, I come across some of those who did not smarten up and continue to smoke. Most of them have now switched to cocaine as their drug of choice. Others still have a few brain cells left that steer them away but for how long? They have a difficult time carrying on a conversation. I realize I could have been just like them.~

I also had a friend who smoked more than snoop dog for years, he also graduated from MI State with honors. I also had teammates in highschool football, that used to either smoke weed or do lines before the game, guess what, they also made all-conference, and were the best players in the school. My opinion, its your personality type + your enviroment(ie, parents, teachers, coaches, siblings) that can make people losers, not drugs. Its a shame that people pass judgements of others not knowing too much about them.

But I guess if that makes you happy to now look down on people for doing stuff that you yourself have done in the past and saying you could of ended up like your ‘loser’ friends, then to each his own![/quote]

I don’t look down on those who continue to run themselves down a dead end road. Instead, I use them as motivation. I maintain contact with those friends and hope that I can be of some help to stop their negative behaviors. I had a great time while I was smoking weed and sitting around my hometown being a lame ass loser. Hell I was getting plenty of pussy and partying with good friends. Friends that I would have died for and most of them I still would.

But the point of my post was to give an example of what can go wrong if a person isn’t aware of their behaviors. I don’t give a damn what anybody says, a person who smokes weed in excess will eventually give up on living their dreams. Maybe not all of them, but at least some of them. Instead of simply relaxing, they become complacent. It’s a lot of fun but it’s just not for some people. Control and moderation, as said earlier, is the best advice.

[quote]chrismcl wrote:
What about the carbon monoxide in your lungs and bloodstream?

If you’re gonna do it, make some brownies and eat the shit.[/quote]

Correct!!
Add flax seeds, peanut butter, and some Low-Carb Grow! and you have the perfect protein bar :wink:

Thank God (no, not the poster of this topic) that I live in Canada. Here in 2005 weed is going to be decriminalized because of the lack of hard data (yes, government research has been done) indicating any serious detrimental effects.The majority of people responding to this post demonstrate how pathetically uninformed they are about this topic.

I, personally have been smoking pot for 38 years and I’m waiting to experience any of the negative effects the repondents of this post so vehemently state will affect any pot smoker.

While being a pot smoker I have won the provincial olympic lifting championships; set a 500 lb. squat, a 515 lb. deadlift and a 295 lb. bench at a bodyweight of 174 lbs. and placed 3rd in the provincial bodybuilding championships (sans bb drugs) - and not a bitch tit in sight; or any stretch marks that all the pro roid, anti pot respondents probably sport.
So much for pot’s testosterone lowering effects.

Accademically I have an Honours English and a Master’s of Education degree all earned while smoking pot. I have been a very successful teacher (oh my God, a pot smoking teacher; save the children) in both secondary and post secondary educational institutions for 26 years.
So much for pot’s brain damaging effects.

I have lifted for 40 years and still do so 3 times per week and presntly maintain a 31" waist.
So much for pot destroying motivation and eating habits.

I realize that the religious right (that’s who appears to be responding negatively to this thread as they use no scientific evidence to support their stance, only moral indignation) will condemn me as a braggart for listing my personal accomplishments, but I did so to let god (original post) know that you can succeed in any endeavour whether or not you smoke pot as the negative effects are grossly overstated.

To further impugn the naysayers of pot smoking I’ve included the results of a group of studies found on Medline that refute some of the posted arguments against pot use and indeed, may suggest that it is necessary for proper memory function, sleep and blood pressure.

The natural brain cannabinoid anandamide functions as a neurotransmitter. In 1991 it was shown that the properties of the cannabinoid receptors in the brain were not irreversibly altered in monkeys given chronic doses of THC and marijuana. (2) This toxicology study shows that marijuana is not a neurotoxin.

Cannabinoids, memory and sleep

A useful tool in the study of a neuroreceptor system is some molecule that prevents the neurotransmitter from binding to the receptor. That way you can figure out what the natural neurotranmsitter does by watching what happens when it can’t do it any more. A molecule that does this is called a receptor antagonist.
For THC, the cannabinoid synthesized by cannabis sativa and indica, and andandamide, the cannabinoid synthesized in the central nervous systems of most animals on Earth, the receptor antagonist is called SR141716. (3) SR141716 is like “anti-marijuana” – it enhances the same memory functions that the natural brain cannabinoid anandamide and THC inhibit through the cannabinoid receptor. (4)
SR141716 improves short term memory in rodents by blocking the CB1 cannabinoid receptor from binding to andandamide, not just THC. But anandamide is made by the brain naturally. Why would the brain be making a chemical – andandamide – that seems to inhibit short-term memory?
This question is partly answered by the effect of SR141716 on the sleep cycles of rats. (5) SR141716 administered to rats interrupts their sleep cycles, causing a deficit in both short-wave and REM sleep. This research indicates that cannabinoids are important in the brain’s regulation of the sleeping process.
The cost of improving short-term memory by blocking cannabinoids from the brain is deficient and delayed slow-wave and REM sleep. In studying marijuana, we have learned something important about the brain. Inhibition of short-term memory-related processes occurring in the hippocampus might be necessary for a healthy sleep cycle.

Cannabinoids and Alzheimer’s Disease

Another very intriguing link between natural cannabinoids and memory was found in the brains of people who died of Alzheimer’s disease. (6) The researchers discovered that the brains of people died of Alzheimer’s showed substantially less cannabinoid binding than shown by the brains of the control group. The abnormal absences of cannabinoid receptors weren’t located in regions correleated with the damage done by Alzhemier’s disease itself, so the researchers did not believe that the Alzheimer’s disease caused the disappearance of CB1 receptors.
The difference between the Alzheimer’s and control CB1 levels was the highest in the hippocampus, the same region of the brain where cannabinoids help regulate short-term memory. The Alzheimer’s brains showed binding to the test cannabinoid that was reduced by 49% compared to the binding observed in the control brains.
There is not yet an explanation for this difference. Research (7,8) showed that in rats, cannabinoid receptors and the ability to respond to anandamide (and THC) develop gradually from birth until adulthood, and then remain fairly constant as the animals age.

Cannabinoids and Circulation

The “endogenous” cannabinoid anandamide was shown to lower blood pressure and heart rate through the CB1 receptor. (9) The CB1 antagonist SR141716 was shown to block the blood-pressure-lowering effects of anandamide. The researchers guessed that the CB1 receptors were lowering blood pressure by vasodilation through the sympathetic nervous system. The manner in which anandamide and THC dilate small blood vessels in the brain was studied in (10,11).

No doubt after reading the studies the morally right would argue that it refers to “endogenous anandamide” the body’s own thc and not exogenous marijuana. But,as we are all A-typical there is a high probability that many pot smokers, such as myself, may be deficient in anandamide and that is why we gravitate towards pot as our drug of choice.

So, god (original post) if you choose to stop smoking pot do it because it is your choice and not because it is argued to be morally wrong.

One of the best posts I’ve read in awhile. Thanks.

Ive lifted for several months without smoking and I’ve lifted for several months while smoking, and marijuana has not affected my progress negatively.

Actually, I have gotten better results while smoking marijuana, but I do not atribute these results to the smoking as it could have been certain changes in my training.

Smoking does not affect my healthy diet at all or my workouts.

At the end it depends on the person, this is a drug that reacts with each person in a different way, it is helpful for some while negative for others.

If anyone has any links to a study or a source that shows that marijuana lowers testosterone or increases estrogen I would be very interested in reading it.

Check these out!:

http://naihc.org/hemp_information/content/nova_report/part2b.html#hormonal

Excellent to hear some successful pot smokers chime in.

I personally know quite a few, very successful smokers. A few own their own businesses, one has a PHD in architecture and another in engineering.

It’s not the drug, it’s the individual. I smoked through university and had no problems achieving my degree in psychology. I’m about to go back and do another degree in physiotherapy. I’m also starting up a martial arts school early next year as well as starting a new full time job. I currently lift weights about 4 times a week and practise martials arts 2 or 3 times. I don’t eat junk food.

As you can see, i haven’t given up on ANY of my goals or turned into an amotivated fatarse.

When substances like tobacco and alcohol are freely sold, it’s seems funny that something like marijuana can bring up such strong feelings.

[quote]vroom wrote:
Perhaps you could educate me as to what exactly my viewpoint is on guns and how it differs from my viewpoint on drugs, if it isn’t too off topic?[/quote]

Why of course, vroom. I would be honored! I do realize it was off topic, and after this reply I will get out of this thread where I really have no interest to begin with. You clearly have a laissez-faire attitude of “personal choice” and responsibility when it comes to drugs. I happen to wholeheartedly agree with you, and think they (at very least the weed) should be 100% legal for adults! However, as I recall from the second amendment threads, you indicated that there needs to be regulation as to what types a of weapons a person can own and you expressed a belief in a need for licensing and/or registration. It seems you want it both ways. People either own their lives or they don’t. Sorry, it was just an observation I made, even before ZEB’s post. You may now return to your thread. I’m going to go rub my chin and snap a spliff…