Weak People on T-Nation

Professor X said it best, “the people with the discipline to get big and strong are few, they always have been few”

This is true. And I have learned through experience to be very cautious when giving people credit (even if it is just in my head) for getting big and strong.

I used to be very impressed whenever I saw a big strong dude, but I cant tell you how many times they have turned out to be juicers.

Not to say I think of everyone that is big and or strong as a juicer, I just know how rare it is to see someone with the discipline to achieve what their body says they have.

It is a walking contradiction. A body that says you are a hard working machine, with the exercise and nutritional approach of a fucking retard.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
njrusmc wrote:
I don’t think T-Nation was meant to be a collection of only strong people. Rather I find it to be a community of strong WILLED people with a hard-core, die-hard attitude towards training. LUEshi is correct, the entire focus of training is the journey. For most of us, that journey never ends.

That sounds great on a greeting card. The truth is, even though it is about the journey, if you are still stuck in the first quarter mile of it for 10 years, you may want to sit your ass down on the road and die so the rest of us can have more room to walk.[/quote]

I agree with this. Progression is necessary to even continue the journey, otherwise you are just wasting your time (and getting in people’s way in the gym). Then again, if you really have a no-shit attitude towards training and you don’t lose sight of your goals, I don’t foresee anyone really spinning their wheels for long.

[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:

So now work ethic is genetic? (as well as fat level)

Everything can be blamed on genetics, if you can deceive yourself enough.

Earlier today, I bumped my funny-bone on the desk as I sat down. You know, if I didn’t have such fucking shitty genetics, my arm probably wouldn’t have been the exact length needed for that to occur.

I give up on life, this is too hard.[/quote]

The Funny Bone has felled many. That’s how the Titans went down, if memory serves.

[quote]Shadowzz4 wrote:

Professor X said it best, “the people with the discipline to get big and strong are few, they always have been few”

This is true. And I have learned through experience to be very cautious when giving people credit (even if it is just in my head) for getting big and strong.

I used to be very impressed whenever I saw a big strong dude, but I cant tell you how many times they have turned out to be juicers.

Not to say I think of everyone that is big and or strong as a juicer, I just know how rare it is to see someone with the discipline to achieve what their body says they have.

It is a walking contradiction. A body that says you are a hard working machine, with the exercise and nutritional approach of a fucking retard.
[/quote]

So, you really assume that every big guy you see who uses steroids somehow neglects to train hard and eat right? Do you think Ronnie Coleman looks the way he does simply because he used steroids?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Shadowzz4 wrote:

Professor X said it best, “the people with the discipline to get big and strong are few, they always have been few”

This is true. And I have learned through experience to be very cautious when giving people credit (even if it is just in my head) for getting big and strong.

I used to be very impressed whenever I saw a big strong dude, but I cant tell you how many times they have turned out to be juicers.

Not to say I think of everyone that is big and or strong as a juicer, I just know how rare it is to see someone with the discipline to achieve what their body says they have.

It is a walking contradiction. A body that says you are a hard working machine, with the exercise and nutritional approach of a fucking retard.

So, you really assume that every big guy you see who uses steroids somehow neglects to train hard and eat right? Do you think Ronnie Coleman looks the way he does simply because he used steroids?[/quote]

Thanks for jumping on this. Very ignorant post indeed. Most advanced trainees that use AAS are working harder and eating more than the natural athletes. You don’t get huge by sitting on your ass and poking yourself with a needle a few times a week.

[quote]njrusmc wrote:
I don’t think T-Nation was meant to be a collection of only strong people. Rather I find it to be a community of strong WILLED people with a hard-core, die-hard attitude towards training. LUEshi is correct, the entire focus of training is the journey. For most of us, that journey never ends.[/quote]

Although that sounds nice, actually lifting helps a little.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
njrusmc wrote:
I don’t think T-Nation was meant to be a collection of only strong people. Rather I find it to be a community of strong WILLED people with a hard-core, die-hard attitude towards training. LUEshi is correct, the entire focus of training is the journey. For most of us, that journey never ends.

Although that sounds nice, actually lifting helps a little.[/quote]

I guess I am uncertain as to where you implied that I said lifting was not important. I used to word “training” instead of “lifting”, so perform the substitution if you so desire. Training to me incorporates everything; lifting, diet, sleep, attitude, lifestyle.

As I said in my response to Professor X, if someone has a serious attitude towards lifting then they will progress.

My original post was not meant to be a happy sounding, end-of-thread, lets-all-be-friends post. It was simply my observation about T-Nation members.

[quote]DaahsirRoon wrote:
Professor X wrote:
whereami wrote:
I’m weak but I’m a lot stronger than I was this time last year.

Cookie?

Cookies gave my dog aids.[/quote]

My name really isn’t Cookies!

[quote]bob_sander87 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Shadowzz4 wrote:

Professor X said it best, “the people with the discipline to get big and strong are few, they always have been few”

This is true. And I have learned through experience to be very cautious when giving people credit (even if it is just in my head) for getting big and strong.

I used to be very impressed whenever I saw a big strong dude, but I cant tell you how many times they have turned out to be juicers.

Not to say I think of everyone that is big and or strong as a juicer, I just know how rare it is to see someone with the discipline to achieve what their body says they have.

It is a walking contradiction. A body that says you are a hard working machine, with the exercise and nutritional approach of a fucking retard.

So, you really assume that every big guy you see who uses steroids somehow neglects to train hard and eat right? Do you think Ronnie Coleman looks the way he does simply because he used steroids?

Thanks for jumping on this. Very ignorant post indeed. Most advanced trainees that use AAS are working harder and eating more than the natural athletes. You don’t get huge by sitting on your ass and poking yourself with a needle a few times a week.

[/quote]

This prevailing attitude drives me insane. You know, once you “juice” you just getting fuckin huge. No need to work. WTF???

I agree with your post. Most “juicers” end up working harder and eating more than the average trainee. Why? Since most “juicers” before they were “juicers” were super committed to changing their body composition and achieved much more than most people.

However, they were still not satisfied with their achievements and decided to take it to the next level with the assistance of a favorable hormone profile.

Simply ignorant post.

[quote]njrusmc wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
njrusmc wrote:
I don’t think T-Nation was meant to be a collection of only strong people. Rather I find it to be a community of strong WILLED people with a hard-core, die-hard attitude towards training. LUEshi is correct, the entire focus of training is the journey. For most of us, that journey never ends.

Although that sounds nice, actually lifting helps a little.

I guess I am uncertain as to where you implied that I said lifting was not important. I used to word “training” instead of “lifting”, so perform the substitution if you so desire. Training to me incorporates everything; lifting, diet, sleep, attitude, lifestyle.

As I said in my response to Professor X, if someone has a serious attitude towards lifting then they will progress.

My original post was not meant to be a happy sounding, end-of-thread, lets-all-be-friends post. It was simply my observation about T-Nation members.[/quote]

I think people are responding because there don’t seem to be many people on this site who have a [quote]serious attitude towards lifting[/quote]. Most seem to have a half assed attitude about lifting and think you can’t be a normal person with a job and still train like a bodybuilder.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
njrusmc wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
njrusmc wrote:
I don’t think T-Nation was meant to be a collection of only strong people. Rather I find it to be a community of strong WILLED people with a hard-core, die-hard attitude towards training. LUEshi is correct, the entire focus of training is the journey. For most of us, that journey never ends.

Although that sounds nice, actually lifting helps a little.

I guess I am uncertain as to where you implied that I said lifting was not important. I used to word “training” instead of “lifting”, so perform the substitution if you so desire. Training to me incorporates everything; lifting, diet, sleep, attitude, lifestyle.

As I said in my response to Professor X, if someone has a serious attitude towards lifting then they will progress.

My original post was not meant to be a happy sounding, end-of-thread, lets-all-be-friends post. It was simply my observation about T-Nation members.

I think people are responding because there don’t seem to be many people on this site who have a serious attitude towards lifting. Most seem to have a half assed attitude about lifting and think you can’t be a normal person with a job and still train like a bodybuilder.[/quote]

Which is complete horse-shit. I’m so fucking sick of hearing this shit. People at my work come up to me and talk to me about lifting ALLL the time and telling me how they used to lift and be just like me but they just don’t have the time anymore and eventually I wont either.

I’m like what-the-fuck are you trying to say? I work the same fucking job that you do, and yours somehow takes up soooooooo much more time?

Well as far as genetics, I don’t know how you guys can ignore that alot of lifters have it easier than others. When I first walked into the gym 24 months ago, I couldn’t bench 65 pounds and was fat at 130 pounds and 5"8.

Last week I saw this young, 6"6 buddy, pretty chubby himself, run into the gym for the first time. He repped 185 on the bench press, which is still pretty far from his body weight.

Let’s just say we didn’t exactly start at the same place. But I’ve overcome that and I still outlift that kid weighing 80 pounds less.

What matters is the progress you’ve made and your efforts, I’m much more impressed by a 150 guy lifting 250 than a 250 guy lifting 300.

[quote]josh86 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
njrusmc wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
njrusmc wrote:
I don’t think T-Nation was meant to be a collection of only strong people. Rather I find it to be a community of strong WILLED people with a hard-core, die-hard attitude towards training. LUEshi is correct, the entire focus of training is the journey. For most of us, that journey never ends.

Although that sounds nice, actually lifting helps a little.

I guess I am uncertain as to where you implied that I said lifting was not important. I used to word “training” instead of “lifting”, so perform the substitution if you so desire. Training to me incorporates everything; lifting, diet, sleep, attitude, lifestyle.

As I said in my response to Professor X, if someone has a serious attitude towards lifting then they will progress.

My original post was not meant to be a happy sounding, end-of-thread, lets-all-be-friends post. It was simply my observation about T-Nation members.

I think people are responding because there don’t seem to be many people on this site who have a serious attitude towards lifting. Most seem to have a half assed attitude about lifting and think you can’t be a normal person with a job and still train like a bodybuilder.

Which is complete horse-shit. I’m so fucking sick of hearing this shit. People at my work come up to me and talk to me about lifting ALLL the time and telling me how they used to lift and be just like me but they just don’t have the time anymore and eventually I wont either.

I’m like what-the-fuck are you trying to say? I work the same fucking job that you do, and yours somehow takes up soooooooo much more time? [/quote]

Agreed with both of you. Most people have a shitty attitude. Training mistakes are excusable to some extent (we have all made them), but there is no excuse for giving up or half-assing. Well put gentlemen.

[quote]Kataklysm wrote:
Well as far as genetics, I don’t know how you guys can ignore that alot of lifters have it easier than others. When I first walked into the gym 24 months ago, I couldn’t bench 65 pounds and was fat at 130 pounds and 5"8.

Last week I saw this young, 6"6 buddy, pretty chubby himself, run into the gym for the first time. He repped 185 on the bench press, which is still pretty far from his body weight.

Let’s just say we didn’t exactly start at the same place. But I’ve overcome that and I still outlift that kid weighing 80 pounds less.

What matters is the progress you’ve made and your efforts, I’m much more impressed by a 150 guy lifting 250 than a 250 guy lifting 300. [/quote]

Wow.

I was a 150lbs skinny kid when I started. Why do some of you make so many damned excuses?

Who cares if some other guy started out stronger than you. How the hell does that make it “easier” for them to get even bigger and even stronger?

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:
Well as far as genetics, I don’t know how you guys can ignore that alot of lifters have it easier than others. When I first walked into the gym 24 months ago, I couldn’t bench 65 pounds and was fat at 130 pounds and 5"8.

Last week I saw this young, 6"6 buddy, pretty chubby himself, run into the gym for the first time. He repped 185 on the bench press, which is still pretty far from his body weight.

Let’s just say we didn’t exactly start at the same place. But I’ve overcome that and I still outlift that kid weighing 80 pounds less.

What matters is the progress you’ve made and your efforts, I’m much more impressed by a 150 guy lifting 250 than a 250 guy lifting 300.

Wow.

I was a 150lbs skinny kid when I started. Why do some of you make so many damned excuses?

Who cares if some other guy started out stronger than you. How the hell does that make it “easier” for them to get even bigger and even stronger?[/quote]

I didn’t say that. Let’s say that if I had started working out on the same day that HE did and challenged him to the first who presses 225, I wouldn’t have stood a chance no matter how hard I tried.

All I was trying to address was that not everyone starts with the same potential and that you can’t have the same expectations from one person to another.

I’m not making excuses, I’m proud of the progress I’ve made and the strenght I’ve gained (I’ll take the cookie, thanks), and I’m pushing to be ever stronger and bigger.

[quote]Kataklysm wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:
Well as far as genetics, I don’t know how you guys can ignore that alot of lifters have it easier than others. When I first walked into the gym 24 months ago, I couldn’t bench 65 pounds and was fat at 130 pounds and 5"8.

Last week I saw this young, 6"6 buddy, pretty chubby himself, run into the gym for the first time. He repped 185 on the bench press, which is still pretty far from his body weight.

Let’s just say we didn’t exactly start at the same place. But I’ve overcome that and I still outlift that kid weighing 80 pounds less.

What matters is the progress you’ve made and your efforts, I’m much more impressed by a 150 guy lifting 250 than a 250 guy lifting 300.

Wow.

I was a 150lbs skinny kid when I started. Why do some of you make so many damned excuses?

Who cares if some other guy started out stronger than you. How the hell does that make it “easier” for them to get even bigger and even stronger?

I didn’t say that. Let’s say that if I had started working out on the same day that HE did and challenged him to the first who presses 225, I wouldn’t have stood a chance no matter how hard I tried. All I was trying to address was that not everyone starts with the same potential and that you can’t have the same expectations from one person to another.

I’m not making excuses, I’m proud of the progress I’ve made and the strenght I’ve gained (I’ll take the cookie, thanks), and I’m pushing to be ever stronger and bigger. [/quote]

In a contest of pure strength potential, then yes, that man has you beat. But if we’re talking size, it’s a different story. Strength GAIN = growth. So some kid, like yourself, who starts out barely benching 95 pounds or whatever works his way up to a 300lb bench is gonna look stacked as fuck compared to someone that can already throw up heavy weights untrained.

[quote]Kataklysm wrote:

I didn’t say that. Let’s say that if I had started working out on the same day that HE did and challenged him to the first who presses 225, I wouldn’t have stood a chance no matter how hard I tried. [/quote]

Which is why the goal isn’t to reach someone else’s goal. It isn’t “easier” for that guy to see the same progress as you at all. It takes effort for all of us to see progress. You may have to eat more than someone else.

It may take you years longer to reach your own personal goal, bit none of that changes the fact that you did have to work for it.

When Gifted (Brandon Curry) posted here, everyone jumped on him because he seemed to make it look too easy. Mind you, he still trained harder and lifted more back then than most on this site. He just didn’t respond as if that hard work was so…hard.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
jayski wrote:
as for me, im 5’6, 165lbs, my build isn’t near huge, nor will it ever be, but thats ok, i don’t let my lack of genetics keep me from trying to constantly improve.

Theres another excuse that gets tossed around, too much.

That’s what I was trying to say. I’m not sure what “lack of genetics” even means. Do you have fewer chromosomes?

They have problems with feeling full in order to grow and with the pain involved with lifting heavy. It’s uncomfortable and reaching goals is all about comfort.

So now work ethic is genetic? (as well as fat level)

You didn’t know? The ONLY reason someone would push really hard to reach a goal as well as sacrifice some things is because they are either insecure, mentally ill, or flaming gay.[/quote]

And yet character could still be destiny, a concept that might not be totally unfamiliar to you?

[quote]bob_sander87 wrote:

In a contest of pure strength potential, then yes, that man has you beat. But if we’re talking size, it’s a different story.

Strength GAIN = growth. So some kid, like yourself, who starts out barely benching 95 pounds or whatever works his way up to a 300lb bench is gonna look stacked as fuck compared to someone that can already throw up heavy weights untrained.
[/quote]

Yeah that’s exactly how I see it. I’m proud of my 315 deadlift because when I first tried deadlifting I couldn’t lift 95 with good form and my back hurt for days after. But I realize my lift is weak as fuck and that alot of people started out with a 225 deadlift.

[quote]orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
Professor X wrote:
DoubleDuce wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
jayski wrote:
as for me, im 5’6, 165lbs, my build isn’t near huge, nor will it ever be, but thats ok, i don’t let my lack of genetics keep me from trying to constantly improve.

Theres another excuse that gets tossed around, too much.

That’s what I was trying to say. I’m not sure what “lack of genetics” even means. Do you have fewer chromosomes?

They have problems with feeling full in order to grow and with the pain involved with lifting heavy. It’s uncomfortable and reaching goals is all about comfort.

So now work ethic is genetic? (as well as fat level)

You didn’t know? The ONLY reason someone would push really hard to reach a goal as well as sacrifice some things is because they are either insecure, mentally ill, or flaming gay.

And yet character could still be destiny, a concept that might not be totally unfamiliar to you?
[/quote]

I am familiar with the fact that character is built through life experience. Destiny involves purpose by design.