Weak People on T-Nation

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:

I didn’t say that. Let’s say that if I had started working out on the same day that HE did and challenged him to the first who presses 225, I wouldn’t have stood a chance no matter how hard I tried.

Which is why the goal isn’t to reach someone else’s goal. It isn’t “easier” for that guy to see the same progress as you at all. It takes effort for all of us to see progress. You may have to eat more than someone else.

It may take you years longer to reach your own personal goal, bit none of that changes the fact that you did have to work for it.

When Gifted (Brandon Curry) posted here, everyone jumped on him because he seemed to make it look too easy. Mind you, he still trained harder and lifted more back then than most on this site. He just didn’t respond as if that hard work was so…hard.

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I agree man, and I’m hoping to build a 200+ lean body myself one day, knowing that some guys who don’t train could just go on a cut and have it right there. If you started out skinny at 150 I’m sure you’ve experienced the same frustration of seeing people start out where you worked so hard to be.

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[quote]B rocK wrote:
"Please define “weak.” "

It’s all a peronal definition.

I’m almost at a 300lb bench, and even then I will see 315, 350 etc…and think “I’m still weak”.

I used to be alot weaker and smaller.

for the fun of it; i look at some of my oldest posts.

haa i was little and stupid.

“was”[/quote]

if you dont consider yourself strong (and a sub 300 pound bench would indicate this, as well) why are you calling out others on not being strong? are you saying you yourself are part of the ‘problem’ on this site?

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Starting point is no excuse for anything…the first time I ever touched weights was in high school my freshman or sophomore year. I weighed 120lbs and I could barely bench the olympic bar 4-5 times.

You know what I hear now form people? “I wish I could be like you”, “I wish I was as lucky as you.” Ummm luck? Luck had fucking NOTHING to do with any of it, and it continues to have nothing to do with it.

I will keep putting in the dedication, blood and sweat until I get to my goal. And continue to laugh at the people who say I am “lucky” along the way.

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[quote]Kataklysm wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:

I didn’t say that. Let’s say that if I had started working out on the same day that HE did and challenged him to the first who presses 225, I wouldn’t have stood a chance no matter how hard I tried.

Which is why the goal isn’t to reach someone else’s goal. It isn’t “easier” for that guy to see the same progress as you at all. It takes effort for all of us to see progress.

You may have to eat more than someone else. It may take you years longer to reach your own personal goal, bit none of that changes the fact that you did have to work for it.

When Gifted (Brandon Curry) posted here, everyone jumped on him because he seemed to make it look too easy. Mind you, he still trained harder and lifted more back then than most on this site. He just didn’t respond as if that hard work was so…hard.

I agree man, and I’m hoping to build a 200+ lean body myself one day, knowing that some guys who don’t train could just go on a cut and have it right there. If you started out skinny at 150 I’m sure you’ve experienced the same frustration of seeing people start out where you worked so hard to be. [/quote]

That’s the point. I didn’t feel frustration. I felt motivation. That is why I’m one of those big guys now. The “frustrated” people don’t seem to push as hard.

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[quote]josh86 wrote:
Starting point is no excuse for anything…the first time I ever touched weights was in high school my freshman or sophomore year. I weighed 120lbs and I could barely bench the olympic bar 4-5 times.

You know what I hear now form people? “I wish I could be like you”, “I wish I was as lucky as you.” Ummm luck? Luck had fucking NOTHING to do with any of it, and it continues to have nothing to do with it.

I will keep putting in the dedication, blood and sweat until I get to my goal. And continue to laugh at the people who say I am “lucky” along the way.[/quote]

I usually get, “well, you’ve always been big” as if they can’t comprehend someone working hard. They just assume that if you have muscle on you now that it came easy to you.

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I sure as hell ain’t the strongest or biggest guy on the site, I am probably o the weak side, but my idea of a strong lifter has nothing to do with numbers, bodyfat etc. A strong lifter are the guys who are in their every day, two a days even.

Who get up early in the morning to train. Who do cardio, and don’t just do it, but actually run. When the squat, the go all the way down. They put everything into the lift, no token weights or warmup sets for them. They just get in and lift.

The strive to get better. They do shrugs and rows with big weights, and everyone in the gym hears all those 45’s stacked togethor rattle when they get going. They flip tractor tires. They hit that tractor tires with the 16 pound sledgehammer.

They run sprints, use sleds. They also are not afraid to do bodyweight excersizes either. Pullups, Dips, Pushpups, Clap pushups, it’s all good if it makes you stronger faster better.

Sure I just may be starting out, don’t have much expereice or that, but i like to think i am doing the right things to get there.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Kataklysm wrote:

I didn’t say that. Let’s say that if I had started working out on the same day that HE did and challenged him to the first who presses 225, I wouldn’t have stood a chance no matter how hard I tried.

Which is why the goal isn’t to reach someone else’s goal. It isn’t “easier” for that guy to see the same progress as you at all. It takes effort for all of us to see progress. You may have to eat more than someone else.

It may take you years longer to reach your own personal goal, bit none of that changes the fact that you did have to work for it.

When Gifted (Brandon Curry) posted here, everyone jumped on him because he seemed to make it look too easy. Mind you, he still trained harder and lifted more back then than most on this site. He just didn’t respond as if that hard work was so…hard.

I agree man, and I’m hoping to build a 200+ lean body myself one day, knowing that some guys who don’t train could just go on a cut and have it right there. If you started out skinny at 150 I’m sure you’ve experienced the same frustration of seeing people start out where you worked so hard to be.

That’s the point. I didn’t feel frustration. I felt motivation. That is why I’m one of those big guys now. The “frustrated” people don’t seem to push as hard.[/quote]

Well it’s easy to say that you push harder than me with your physique, I can’t take anything from you but I sure as fuck don’t push less than you. We don’t have the same goals and the same views (I’m not gonna mention steroids it’s irrelevant), but I throw all I have in the gym and in the kitchen just as much.

Anyways, I don’t wanna get into a pointless arguement about who e-pushes more in the gym, otherwise I’ll have half the posters on this site shit on my back in about 10 minutes.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
josh86 wrote:
Starting point is no excuse for anything…the first time I ever touched weights was in high school my freshman or sophomore year. I weighed 120lbs and I could barely bench the olympic bar 4-5 times.

You know what I hear now form people? “I wish I could be like you”, “I wish I was as lucky as you.” Ummm luck? Luck had fucking NOTHING to do with any of it, and it continues to have nothing to do with it.

I will keep putting in the dedication, blood and sweat until I get to my goal. And continue to laugh at the people who say I am “lucky” along the way.

I usually get, “well, you’ve always been big” as if they can’t comprehend someone working hard. They just assume that if you have muscle on you now that it came easy to you.[/quote]

Yeah I can’t even imagine the crap you hear at your level of development. People see me making excellent gains now and getting bigger and bigger than them constantly and think that its easy for me and I’m on AAS and every other stupid excuse you can imagine.

They don’t understand that I put in at least 2 solid years of consistent training b4 I even started to look like I lifted at all, though I wont deny those 2 years weren’t done properly (training was good, food intake was poor).

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[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
jayski wrote:
as for me, im 5’6, 165lbs, my build isn’t near huge, nor will it ever be, but thats ok, i don’t let my lack of genetics keep me from trying to constantly improve.

Theres another excuse that gets tossed around, too much.[/quote]

Amen to that brother. I have shit genetics too. But you know what? It didn’t stop me from putting on 80 lbs of muscle since I started training, and about 450 lbs on my squat and dl. And I have a long way to go yet.

It’s funny–the harder I work the better my genetics get. :slight_smile:

It’s ALLL about hard work and hard eating 24/7/365, FOR YEARS ON END (that and educating yourself). Same with the whole “overtraining” thing. I will say this though: I posted some dumb things when I was younger too. Mostly I lurked, but every once in a while…

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[quote]Pluto wrote:
They put everything into the lift, no token weights or warmup sets for them. They just get in and lift.
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No warm up sets? That’s not hardcore - that’s stupidity.

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I don’t think a philosophical attitude towards training precludes progress. At all. If that were the case I wouldn’t have made any.

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[quote]josh86 wrote:

Starting point is no excuse for anything…the first time I ever touched weights was in high school my freshman or sophomore year. I weighed 120lbs and I could barely bench the olympic bar 4-5 times.

You know what I hear now form people? “I wish I could be like you”, “I wish I was as lucky as you.” Ummm luck? Luck had fucking NOTHING to do with any of it, and it continues to have nothing to do with it.

I will keep putting in the dedication, blood and sweat until I get to my goal. And continue to laugh at the people who say I am “lucky” along the way.

Professor X wrote:

That’s the point. I didn’t feel frustration. I felt motivation. That is why I’m one of those big guys now. The “frustrated” people don’t seem to push as hard.[/quote]

A-Fuckin-men. On all counts, and with just a little fidgeting on josh’s starting lifts as well.

I didn’t feel frustration. I felt anger and rage and motivation. Fuck them. You know what? They’re all the same damn size as they were then. Light yourself on fire. No one else is going to do it for you.

You don’t get ‘frustrated’ and work hard, you get ‘frustrated’ and give up. If you get pissed on the other hand…

…and this is not to say that you cannot have a philosophical outlook on training. I know a bunch of successful people who do. But the “frustration” card gets played too much IMHO (no offense to the OP on that). There’s a difference between frustration and getting angry and staying angry and motivated.

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OP:

If I am interpreting this discussion correctly, the problem is that there are people here who insist on talking the talk who at the same time cannot walk the walk. They have no experience, claim to know everything, and are somehow always better than you and, to top things off, always know what YOU should be doing.

I think these people and their ilk can be found in all walks of life, and the best method of dealing with them is to just ignore them. I am sure that a lot of rain has fallen on a lot of us, but we just let it roll off our backs, and keep going on.

These annoyances will always be there, as the world has no shortage of dick heads, but, those who know what they are doing and actually achieve goals will always be there also.

I don’t think there is really much point in arguing with the assholes, as an argument with the truly ignorant can never be won, to paraphrase a quote that I can’t remember exactly.

Ok, so my 2 cents can be summed up by: Don’t let the bastards get you down. End rant/pep talk/sermon or whatever.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
DaahsirRoon wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
Is everyone going to try to justify their weakness now?

I have no excuses. I’ve been fucking around.

I’m glad someone else noticed this. Nothing could be more pathetic than an entire thread of people claiming they are all weak.

The people are what make this site what it is. It is apparently now very weak with limited mental capacity.

Gotta start somewhere man. I don’t think you should be knocking on the weak as much as the weak who aren’t doing anything to change their situation.

I am knocking on weak people who feel the need to tell everyone they are weak. No one cares. Get strong and then tell us about how you succeeded.

There doesn’t need to be any hand holding. Yes, we all started somewhere, but not once did I feel the need to exclaim how weak I was…until it was IN THE PAST.

This board seems FILLED with people who are the types who start threads like, "this is my before picture and I am using this as motivation. I don’t have an “after pic yet.”. It is FILLED with people who are weak and will be weak still talking about how they plan to get strong 5 years from now.

The lack of drive will keep most from reaching any of these goals. They will forever be, “stronger than I was but still weak”.[/quote]

You should take a stupidly unpopular position on an issue, support it with well written posts, and I’ll bet it will be a new religion on the boards.

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[quote]Aragorn wrote:
rrjc5488 wrote:
jayski wrote:
as for me, im 5’6, 165lbs, my build isn’t near huge, nor will it ever be, but thats ok, i don’t let my lack of genetics keep me from trying to constantly improve.

Theres another excuse that gets tossed around, too much.

Amen to that brother. I have shit genetics too. But you know what? It didn’t stop me from putting on 80 lbs of muscle since I started training, and about 450 lbs on my squat and dl. And I have a long way to go yet.

It’s funny–the harder I work the better my genetics get. :slight_smile:

It’s ALLL about hard work and hard eating 24/7/365, FOR YEARS ON END (that and educating yourself). Same with the whole “overtraining” thing. I will say this though: I posted some dumb things when I was younger too. Mostly I lurked, but every once in a while…[/quote]

So is going from a bodyweight of 120lbs to 165lbs in the last several years making up excuses?

I work my ass off, i push myself to my limits, and my lifts go up but my bodyweight is slow to catch up and i’ve come to the realization that the muscles of my body will never be huge. but do i care?

i did once, but now i don’t let it bother me cause i approve how my body looks. why? cause i was practically a skeleton at 120lbs and couldn’t even do 10 pushups and thought an empty olympic bar was heavy… I’ve improved a lot and my progress does continue and pretty damn proud of myself cause of my personal accomplishments.

Also i think some of you need to read entire sentences rather than focus on a part of one. Did i not say “i don’t let my lack of genetics keep me from trying to constantly improve.” you all who quoted me focused on the part before keep, but failed to read or understand the rest of it.

i suggest learning to read till you understand it, and perhaps learn a little bit of comprehension before jumping to conclusions and giving me lectures on shit im already doing.

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[quote]josh86 wrote:
Starting point is no excuse for anything…the first time I ever touched weights was in high school my freshman or sophomore year. I weighed 120lbs and I could barely bench the olympic bar 4-5 times.

You know what I hear now form people? “I wish I could be like you”, “I wish I was as lucky as you.” Ummm luck? Luck had fucking NOTHING to do with any of it, and it continues to have nothing to do with it.

I will keep putting in the dedication, blood and sweat until I get to my goal. And continue to laugh at the people who say I am “lucky” along the way.[/quote]

“The harder I work, the luckier I get”

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fuck this shit im strong

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The problems I have with site are:

  1. The hardcore attitude - honestly, we all know that people on this site act like they are so hardcore just because they lift weights regularly and are a member of this website

  2. Elitist Attitude - this goes along with #1. Somehow, people on this site think that because they train consistently and because they are a member of the infamous T-Nation.com, they are somehow better than everybody else.

[Example: that post made awhile back on the new male model who joined T-Nation who everyone thought was gay. DONT YOU GET IT PEOPLE, HE IS MORE DEVELOPED THAN 90% OF YOU! AND YOU SIT AROUND AT YOUR COMPUTERS TRYING TO MAKE A MOCKERY OF HIM? PATHETIC]

  1. Intelligence vs. Results

Most people on this site know a lot about bodybuilding. However, just because you know more than the jacked guy sitting next to you, he is more developed!

The general public doesn’t give a shit about how much you KNOW, they care about your RESULTS, if you can back up what you say. This is a segway to #2, intelligence does not make you superior in bodybuilding…results is what matters

  1. Excuses and Self-justiication
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Sure, I’ll admit i’m weak.

I’ve put on 20lbs in the past year or so, however. I don’t plan on stopping.
I don’t feel a need to justify my being weak, because it won’t matter. What matters is that i get in the gym and try harder, push for new PR’s, and do work in the kitchen.

Strength is relative.
The average desk jockey likely couldn’t deadlift their bodyweight or bench close to bodyweight.

A lot of people here are weak by senior member’s standards, but still stronger than the majority.

In my mind, i’ll always be weak, i suppose. It’s the desire to be strong that keeps me going.

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I think it’s sad as hell that some fo you think you’re super awesome and hardcore because your consistent with lifting.

So fucking what. Unless you’re busting your ass to the point where you’re seeing dots flying over the walls, and trying to hold back the puke, you’re still a bitch.

Yeah, most of you will consider me “weak” with a 315 squat and a 425 deadlift at !190 pounds. But fuck you guys. I’ve put on 70pounds in like 2 years, I’m gonna be a big man some day.

You set yourself apart from the rest of them when you prove you are ready to get under some heavy ass weight. A weight you’ve never tried before. You don’t allow yourself to be defeated by a metal rod and some plates.