where do you think this program could go if you were to use a year long fat loss schedule that Waterbury outlines in some of his other literature?
Should I start with BBB or this one?
[quote]chris0374 wrote:
TwistofCain_73, I just clarified this again with CW via e-mail. What CW says is that during cutting phases, the Pre and post workout drink should take the place of one of your meals. During the bulking phases, it can be added to your other meals.
You can do whatever you want (obviously, it’s working for you), but I’d rather follow the instructions from the author of the program.[/quote]
Thanks for checking into that,I was wondering myself. Now, does that mean that at breakfast on workout days, we don’t take the Greens/Fishoil/Acai?
[quote]sodomojo wrote:
Thanks for checking into that,I was wondering myself. Now, does that mean that at breakfast on workout days, we don’t take the Greens/Fishoil/Acai?[/quote]
I would’ve thought those are staples regardless of the day or phase.
I’ll be giving this a shot early next year, but planning on sticking to the plan as closely as possible.
Im in in the middle of phase 2 and am abbout the same weight and lost a little more body fat. I am eating as much as it tells me to. I Think I will add one more snack or meal for the next bulking phase.
[quote]chris0374 wrote:
TwistofCain_73, I just clarified this again with CW via e-mail. What CW says is that during cutting phases, the Pre and post workout drink should take the place of one of your meals. During the bulking phases, it can be added to your other meals.
You can do whatever you want (obviously, it’s working for you), but I’d rather follow the instructions from the author of the program.[/quote]
Glad we clarified that. Thanks for checking.
[quote]TwistofCain_73 wrote:
PharmD Pete wrote:
One more quick question.
On the days that you weight train, are you adding the pre and post workout meals to you already scheduled meals?
In other words if you were to have 6 meals on non-training days are you having 8 on training days?
Or are you subbing the pre and post workout meals for other meals during the day and staying at 6 total?
The pre & post workout meals are in addition to your other 6 meals on training days, so you will have 8 ‘meals’ altogether.
Wrapped up week 1 of Phase II and am very happy so far. I just spent the weekend getting props from my wife about improvements she’s noticed - keeping me fired up about moving through the remaining program. I really believe that Chad may be on to something here…
Also, regarding the Flameout/liquid fish oil question - I’m on the liquid twice a day, mixed into that ungodly concoction Chad outlines in the book…although, I’ve noticed that, if I have that breakfast/dinner drink made with Vanilla protein powder (in lieu of a solid protein), it’s actually quite good.
Something as a bit of an aside for those that are living with a spouse or significant other and know how hard meal planning can be (especially if you have kids to feed as well) - my wife has been following Joel Marion’s “Cheat to Lose” plan (with solid results) and it meshes pretty well with what I’m doing on Chad’s Transformation plan. We just make the minor ‘extra carb’ adjustments for her on the relevant days, but it’s no real biggie since so many of the meals on both plans are eaten ‘out of the home’ throughout the workday. She gets her cheat day on the weekend and I simply have one of my cheat meals with her then. The only thing I get the ‘evil eye’ over is the chocolate!
Again, props to those contributing![/quote]
Excellent. Thanks for the feedback.
[quote]kylmo wrote:
Chad Waterbury wrote:
Hey guys,
First off, I’m glad to see this thread has plenty of “legs.” This program is awesome, and it WILL work if you stick to the guidelines.
Second, I haven’t read most of the posts but if you have a burning question, post it here and I’ll try to check in every now and then as I’m finishing up my book for Rodale.
Chad,
I have an ankle that can’t sprint anymore, if I use a stepper on sprint day is 50:10 going to be sufficient?
Cheers
[/quote]
Probably not. Here’s what you need to do: start sweating by the 5 minute mark. If you’re not, the intensity is too low. You might need to augment your “sprint” time to 20 seconds.
[quote]chris0374 wrote:
TwistofCain_73 wrote:
PharmD Pete wrote:
One more quick question.
On the days that you weight train, are you adding the pre and post workout meals to you already scheduled meals?
In other words if you were to have 6 meals on non-training days are you having 8 on training days?
Or are you subbing the pre and post workout meals for other meals during the day and staying at 6 total?
The pre & post workout meals are in addition to your other 6 meals on training days, so you will have 8 ‘meals’ altogether.
Wrapped up week 1 of Phase II and am very happy so far. I just spent the weekend getting props from my wife about improvements she’s noticed - keeping me fired up about moving through the remaining program. I really believe that Chad may be on to something here…
Also, regarding the Flameout/liquid fish oil question - I’m on the liquid twice a day, mixed into that ungodly concoction Chad outlines in the book…although, I’ve noticed that, if I have that breakfast/dinner drink made with Vanilla protein powder (in lieu of a solid protein), it’s actually quite good.
Something as a bit of an aside for those that are living with a spouse or significant other and know how hard meal planning can be (especially if you have kids to feed as well) - my wife has been following Joel Marion’s “Cheat to Lose” plan (with solid results) and it meshes pretty well with what I’m doing on Chad’s Transformation plan. We just make the minor ‘extra carb’ adjustments for her on the relevant days, but it’s no real biggie since so many of the meals on both plans are eaten ‘out of the home’ throughout the workday. She gets her cheat day on the weekend and I simply have one of my cheat meals with her then. The only thing I get the ‘evil eye’ over is the chocolate!
Again, props to those contributing!
Actually, about the pre and post workout during workout days making it 8 meals a day on weight training days… i actually e-mailed Chad about this and he said the pre&post workout drink together counts as a meal. Which means that it’s 6 meals a day, not 8.[/quote]
The pre- and post-workout feedings counts as one meal during the fat loss phase. On the bulking phases, it should be added to your other meals.
Sorry for the confusion.
[quote]jarc wrote:
Any results so far? Whatever happened to teencraft? He starts the log and “poof” he is gone. His last log was more than a month ago.
Is there any one else that has been using this program with some update?
I am planning on buying the book today and was wondering what kind of money should I plan on spending for supps?
Any insight would be appreciated.
[/quote]
Supplements aren’t mandatory on any program of mine…well, except for fish oil. The supplements I mentioned will aid your efforts but they shouldn’t distract you from buying/following the program - especially if you adhere to the food choices I outlined.
[quote]adrucker wrote:
I am in the middle of week 2 of phase 2, and these have been my results so far:
Day 1, phase 1 (3 weeks long): Weight=201.4 BF=17.6%
Day 1, Phase 2: Weight= 200.4 BF=15.7%
So it seems like the program is working just fine, ill be measuring my progress again at the end of phase 2 next week.
I have been using the post-workout nutrition as reccomended, but for pre-workout have only been having a protein shake. Other than that change I am eating as Waterbury reccomends (except for the acai juice and BCAA as they are wicked expensive). I found Lindt 85% dark chocolate at Wal-mart and it wasnt too pricey, and it is nice to have at night.
My breakfast is 1 scoop Metabolic Drive, 1 box blueberries, 3 scoops greens plus.
snacks are string cheese, or handful of nuts
rest of meals are veggie, protein fruit.
Diet isnt very expensive as most of it consists of food, and very little supplements actually. I would highly reccomend getting the e-book
[/quote]
Good feedback. Thanks.
[quote]paul_b wrote:
where do you think this program could go if you were to use a year long fat loss schedule that Waterbury outlines in some of his other literature?
Should I start with BBB or this one?[/quote]
Depends on your training experience. The 10/10 is not for beginners since the bulking phase revolves around HFT. If you’ve been training for less than a year, start with ABBH, then to BBB, then to the Waterbury Method. At that point you can start the 10/10.
[quote]sodomojo wrote:
chris0374 wrote:
TwistofCain_73, I just clarified this again with CW via e-mail. What CW says is that during cutting phases, the Pre and post workout drink should take the place of one of your meals. During the bulking phases, it can be added to your other meals.
You can do whatever you want (obviously, it’s working for you), but I’d rather follow the instructions from the author of the program.
Thanks for checking into that,I was wondering myself. Now, does that mean that at breakfast on workout days, we don’t take the Greens/Fishoil/Acai?[/quote]
You should take those supplements every day, provided that you can buy them.
[quote]Chad Waterbury wrote:
paul_b wrote:
where do you think this program could go if you were to use a year long fat loss schedule that Waterbury outlines in some of his other literature?
Should I start with BBB or this one?
Depends on your training experience. The 10/10 is not for beginners since the bulking phase revolves around HFT. If you’ve been training for less than a year, start with ABBH, then to BBB, then to the Waterbury Method. At that point you can start the 10/10.[/quote]
Chad,
thanks for the reply.
I have purchased Muscle Revolution, great book!!
I guess I could follow what you suggested above or follow one of your many suggested year long plans in the book??
thanks again.
[quote]Chad Waterbury wrote:
jarc wrote:
Any results so far? Whatever happened to teencraft? He starts the log and “poof” he is gone. His last log was more than a month ago.
Is there any one else that has been using this program with some update?
I am planning on buying the book today and was wondering what kind of money should I plan on spending for supps?
Any insight would be appreciated.
Supplements aren’t mandatory on any program of mine…well, except for fish oil. The supplements I mentioned will aid your efforts but they shouldn’t distract you from buying/following the program - especially if you adhere to the food choices I outlined.[/quote]
Thanks for the reply Chad, appreciate it.
I bought the book and it looks like a great program. I do have another question on nutrition, this is not really just for this program but probably for all diets when working out.
Sometimes I can only go to the gym in the morning so eating breakfast and eating the pre/post wo drinks can be tricky and I don’t know if my feed timings are screwed up, or will screw me up? Here is what I did on Wednesday.
4am wake up
~4:15am eat 3 eggs with 1/4 cup green bell peppers and 1 piece of whole wheat toast
~4:40am drink 20g protein mixed with water
5am workout (Total-Body Training
The 3-day-per-week, full-body workout plan by Chad W.)*** on my 8th week by the way***
~6:15am drink 20g protein and 5g creatine with water
~6:45am eat two oranges
7am start the 1 hour drive to work
9am snack
12pm lunch
3pm snack
5pm driving home for an hour and eating snack
~630 or 7pm eating dinner
between 8 and 9 eating cookies.(I know)
Am I eating too much too close together? With the 10/10 program would you suggest skipping breakfast all together on fat loss phases and not eat again until the first snack? or would it be ok to eat the pre and post drinks in morning and wait 2-3 hours and eat something for breakfast and skip the snack between breakfast and lunch?
I am sorry for the long post but I am out of my mind trying to figure out what I should do? My wife told my last night that I am obsessed and I think she is right. I can’t figure out what supps to buy(I will get fish oil) and when to eat…and I haven’t even started the damn program yet.
I should probably just start the damn thing and figure out what works?
Ok everybody, I have opened the door for all the slinging of advice and I openly welcome anything; even some of the insults.
HAVE AT IT!!!
Does it matter what fish oil you get? I got some fancy flavored stuff online and it was pricy. I’m thinking the WAL MART fish oil caps may be the better way to go.
[quote]sodomojo wrote:
Does it matter what fish oil you get? I got some fancy flavored stuff online and it was pricy. I’m thinking the WAL MART fish oil caps may be the better way to go.[/quote]
YES, it absolutely DOES matter! Don’t buy fish oil from Wal-Mart - please. Buy Carlson’s liquid fish oil and/or Flameout. It’s the best investment you’ll ever make for your body.
[quote]Chad Waterbury wrote:
sodomojo wrote:
Does it matter what fish oil you get? I got some fancy flavored stuff online and it was pricy. I’m thinking the WAL MART fish oil caps may be the better way to go.
YES, it absolutely DOES matter! Don’t buy fish oil from Wal-Mart - please. Buy Carlson’s liquid fish oil and/or Flameout. It’s the best investment you’ll ever make for your body. [/quote]
Can you take em both?
Hi all, I’m starting the program Monday. For this week I’ve been slowly breaking into the eating plan. I have to say there is a huge difference between the eating plan outlined in 10/10 compared to what I’m used to: Precision Nutrition. But it’s going to be nice to take a break and try something different.
I’m able to get all the supplements outlined save the fish oil. Instead I’ll use fish oil caps and Ascenta NutraSea oil.
I will have to do most of my HIIT days on an exercise bike. It’s winter and believe it or not my gym doesn’t have a treadmill.I was looking at buying a used exercise bike but through unbelievable luck I got one free today when someone decided to throw their old one out.
[quote]Chad Waterbury wrote:
The pre- and post-workout feedings counts as one meal during the fat loss phase. On the bulking phases, it should be added to your other meals.
Sorry for the confusion.[/quote]
Thanks for clearing that up Chad! I will make the necessary adjustment when starting Phase III. Seeing as how I was happy with my results by having the P/P WO feedings in addition to the 3 meals in Phase I, I am very excited about how this plays out during the next fat-loss phase.
Changing gears - some posts have come up re: fish oil and the importance of the one you select. Chad has already given his thoughts on this and, although this is just my ‘anecdotal’ commentary, I have to agree with the guy. I have been using a ‘decent’ quality fish oil cap for the last two years (wild salmon & all that) but switched to the Carlson’s liquid as advised in the program. I really believe that it is a major player in my current success. Also, I just feel better overall…despite intense HF TBT, a household with two sick girls and a sick wife (all in various stages of the flu), and my days only allowing for a few hours of sleep at night, I feel better in the gym, more energized during the day and very mentally focused.
Maybe it’s just part of the overall additions/subtractions from my diet (i.e. the Greens+, acai, BCAA’s, lack of coffee - I’m an addict -, etc.); however, I’m now a believer in the high-quality liquid stuff. Take a look at the EPA/DHA profile of Carlsons…you’re not going to find that in a pill at Wal-mart.
Great thread, glad to see Chad take some time out to jump in as well. Props to all!
OK. I order some Flameout, Creatine and Grow! I know the book says Metabolic Drive but I have 2 kids to feed and Grow! has to be better than Walmart shit.
I will order the BCAA’s for the Hypertrophy phases. I wanted to get it all but, can’t at this time.
I am going to start probably on the 31st? I have small kids so I don’t really party anymore.
I just finished 8 weeks of a program designed around Chad’s Total Body Training and gained at least an inch on my arms, legs and chest.
I do admit that my diet sucked and too much of the 10 pounds I gained was fat, but I am loving total body workouts.
Good luck everybody. I will start a post on my progress when I start.