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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:

[quote]charlotte49er wrote:
why does he have to post pics, he doesn’t owe you anything

edit: pinwheel curls for 65 is not very much.[/quote]

We’ve made an assertion that people with small arms (15 inches) can’t curl heavy weight (75 pounds). Pumped has asserted otherwise (not the exact terms). The burden of proof is on him.

And even if they’re just pinwheel curls (which I realize are not nearly as difficult as regular alternating dumbbell curls), pumped should still have some pretty decent sized forearms to be using 65 pounds.[/quote]

Not really, I keep record of almost everything so I checked and and I know that when I curled 65’s for the first time I got around 8 reps, had 14.5in arms and 11.5-12in. forearms. The pinwheels definitely helped to bring up forearm size.

And as your question about my current arm size and how much I curl, they were 16.25 this morning (16.5 last week but I took this week off which apparently had an impact) and I typically do pinwheels with 75’s or so keeping form a little better.

SteelyD: I tried to post that video but it’s not working for me for some reason, if I remember correctly though it’s similar to how I do mine

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]charlotte49er wrote:
why does he have to post pics, he doesn’t owe you anything

edit: pinwheel curls for 65 is not very much.[/quote]

Yes, that’s typically the excuse, right below “I don’t have a cellphone or camera”…

He actually does “owe” something. You can say he doesn’t, and he can say he doesn’t, but the fact of the matter is: If you’re going to brag about your lifts and physique, and take shots at other people, you should have the balls to post proof of your claims.

I mean, it befuddles me how people don’t get that - this whole “I don’t owe you anything” is insane. Oh, he doesn’t personally owe me, or any specific person anything, that much is true.

However, if you are going to make specific claims, particularly about something that is completely visual, you shouldn’t have a problem posting something. We won’t use the word “owe” - we’ll use the word “balls”. Have the balls to back up your mouth - it’s really that simple.

Personally, I couldn’t care less about it, I’m just making an observation. Somehow, the Internet has made people really believe that they can say anything they like, then refuse to back it up under some mythical Internet law of “I don’t owe you anything”. It just seems obvious to me. [/quote]

I don’t do it because I don’t feel like it. I can have an opinion without taking the time to take a video and upload it on to my computer and then post it here. Why on earth would I come on here for the sake of making up numbers about how much I curl. Just for the sake of arguing a side that’s not even true?

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:
Why on earth would I come on here for the sake of making up numbers about how much I curl. Just for the sake of arguing a side that’s not even true?[/quote]

I don’t know. Why would you? Why would anybody? Yet people do it all the time.

I’m not even saying you’re totally full of shit. In 20 years of training I’ve seen plenty of shit in plenty of gyms that you wouldn’t think possible unless you personally saw it. So, you may be telling the truth.

And my post was not directed specifically at you anyway. There are a couple of folks talking shit in this thread taking the “don’t owe you” approach. It was more of a general statement on Internet accountability.

A billion assholes don’t think there is any, and I personally disagree - that’s all.

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The reason for internet lying is still unknown to the world considering all internet liars “don’t come to websites to impress people and have no reason to lie.”

And pumped, you’re saying your arms grew 2 inches and your pinwheel curls only went up 10 pounds? That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.

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[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]charlotte49er wrote:
why does he have to post pics, he doesn’t owe you anything

edit: pinwheel curls for 65 is not very much.[/quote]

Yes, that’s typically the excuse, right below “I don’t have a cellphone or camera”…

He actually does “owe” something. You can say he doesn’t, and he can say he doesn’t, but the fact of the matter is: If you’re going to brag about your lifts and physique, and take shots at other people, you should have the balls to post proof of your claims.

I mean, it befuddles me how people don’t get that - this whole “I don’t owe you anything” is insane. Oh, he doesn’t personally owe me, or any specific person anything, that much is true.

However, if you are going to make specific claims, particularly about something that is completely visual, you shouldn’t have a problem posting something. We won’t use the word “owe” - we’ll use the word “balls”. Have the balls to back up your mouth - it’s really that simple.

Personally, I couldn’t care less about it, I’m just making an observation. Somehow, the Internet has made people really believe that they can say anything they like, then refuse to back it up under some mythical Internet law of “I don’t owe you anything”. It just seems obvious to me. [/quote]

Yea I was just being sarcastic, that seems to be the excuse everyone gave celtics in that stupid thread.

Bottom-line: I don’t caqre if you have pics, it just pisses me off when everyone asks for pics and vids, i mean honestly who gives a damn if OP can or can’t curl 65lbs

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
The reason for internet lying is still unknown to the world considering all internet liars “don’t come to websites to impress people and have no reason to lie.”

And pumped, you’re saying your arms grew 2 inches and your pinwheel curls only went up 10 pounds? That doesn’t make a whole lot of sense.[/quote]

I stopped doing them for awhile and when I went back I guess there wasn’t a ton of carry over to it, but more importantly I use less momentum now. My form wasn’t terrible in the past but not I keep it stricter, partly because my grip needs work and trying to hold onto more than 80’s while curling higher reps can be a bitch. I guess I could use straps…

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[quote]charlotte49er wrote:
it just pisses me off when everyone asks for pics and vids, i mean honestly who gives a damn if OP can or can’t curl 65lbs[/quote]

People asking for pics and vids give a damn…

If your pissed, feel free to not read the thread.

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Lol@anyone actually expecting pics from pumped.

He wouldn’t even post them when he was asking for personal help in his training and pics were directly relevant and necessary. He’s not going to post them now.

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pumped, who is that in your avatar and why is it your avatar? is that there for inspiration?

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[quote]WormwoodTheory wrote:
pumped, who is that in your avatar and why is it your avatar? is that there for inspiration?[/quote]

Frank McGrath. He’s there because he’s a beast.

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]pumped340 wrote:
I don’t think that’s really all that much with pinwheels. I do seem to be able to do a decent amount, as I usually don’t see people (in my gym) curling more than 40’s but yea. And like I mentioned that’s when I was smaller too. [/quote]

Please. You have no pics posted and I have NEVER seen someone curling heavier than 60lbs dumbbells for reps with anything resembling decent form (even with cheating to a small degree) who didn’t have big arms (as in at least bigger than about 16").

Everyone is fucking Hercules over the internet.

I guess this is where someone tries to find one exception on youtube as if every gym goer with 15" arms is anywhere near capable of moving that much weight.[/quote]

lmao and you think I have the goal to randomly point out a fake number for how much I can curl? I mean I know that will impress everything and I’ll get tons of internet respect, which is really what I live for, but no.

For comparison, my pinwheel curls (with 60’s ) at the time were considerably “better form” than this Max-OT Training Pinwheel Curls 125x6 Reps 2nd Set - YouTube
Probably closer to this: Pinwheel Curls 60x13 or 14 (not all shown) 6-11-8 part one - YouTube but brought up higher.
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The difference in those two videos is that the second one the guy uses more shoulder momentum. It’s likely that the first vid put more stress on the arms.

If you asked me to show a vid to a newb demonstrating proper “pinwheel curls” I’d choose the first vid in this post.

FTR I can curl 65lb DBs 10 times. And pinwheel curls the 100’s easily for 10 reps. Arms are over 17.25

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It seems like every Pumped thread ends with his pics being demanded, lol.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
The difference in those two videos is that the second one the guy uses more shoulder momentum. It’s likely that the first vid put more stress on the arms.

If you asked me to show a vid to a newb demonstrating proper “pinwheel curls” I’d choose the first vid in this post.

FTR I can curl 65lb DBs 10 times. And pinwheel curls the 100’s easily for 10 reps. Arms are over 17.25[/quote]

I probably wouldn’t choose either lol, but honestly it looks to me like the first guy is swinging just as much as the second guy but is barely going up. Not that he doesn’t know what he’s doing, but I would think the 2nd form would be better. Either way though I think you see my point that 65’s at 14.5in arms isn’t too crazy given you can do 100’s for 10 reps.

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[quote]pumped340 wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
The difference in those two videos is that the second one the guy uses more shoulder momentum. It’s likely that the first vid put more stress on the arms.

If you asked me to show a vid to a newb demonstrating proper “pinwheel curls” I’d choose the first vid in this post.

FTR I can curl 65lb DBs 10 times. And pinwheel curls the 100’s easily for 10 reps. Arms are over 17.25[/quote]

I probably wouldn’t choose either lol, but honestly it looks to me like the first guy is swinging just as much as the second guy but is barely going up. Not that he doesn’t know what he’s doing, but I would think the 2nd form would be better. Either way though I think you see my point that 65’s at 14.5in arms isn’t too crazy given you can do 100’s for 10 reps. [/quote]

Pinwheels are supposed to be swung, friend. That is the point of them. To allow the person to use a ton of weight and overload the muscles. Far different from something like a concentration curl. I wont go as far as saying “the looser the form the better” but not using any swing or momentum isn’t the goal. And in video 2 when the shoulders come up that is taking stress off the biceps and other arm muscles. Similar to doing a barbell shrug but bending at the elbows to get the bar higher.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Size matters. Sorry if that hurts.
[/quote]

LOL. Slowpoke here just got the reference due to not wanting to see the movie in a packed theater.

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pumped are you ever going to post picture/videos on this website? If not, stop making all sorts of claims/theories/complaints/observations, and don’t give advice to people.

It’s clear from your posting record you aren’t experienced…you need to read more, get stronger, and talk less for a couple years.

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My arms are 15 inches and i can curl 60lb DBs… ok i don’t know how big my arms are but i could curl 60lb DBs for reps.

I was under 150lbs curling 50’s for reps… how big could a guys arm be when he’s under 150 lbs @ 5 10/11?

To me it doesn’t seem like you need to be that big to curl 60 lb DBs, you just have to work on it.

Also i had already BP 225x2 when i was 140+ lbs… but i could barely get 135x7 on squats.

At that time all i focused on was the "beach muscles’ so my upper body numbers were equivalent to guys that weighed 20lbs more than i did but my lower body strength was pathetic. Needless to say now that i make it my duty to train legs my squat is well ahead of my BP.

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[quote]angus_beef wrote:
My arms are 15 inches and i can curl 60lb DBs… ok i don’t know how big my arms are but i could curl 60lb DBs for reps.

I was under 150lbs curling 50’s for reps… how big could a guys arm be when he’s under 150 lbs @ 5 10/11?

To me it doesn’t seem like you need to be that big to curl 60 lb DBs, you just have to work on it.

Also i had already BP 225x2 when i was 140+ lbs… but i could barely get 135x7 on squats.

At that time all i focused on was the "beach muscles’ so my upper body numbers were equivalent to guys that weighed 20lbs more than i did but my lower body strength was pathetic. Needless to say now that i make it my duty to train legs my squat is well ahead of my BP.

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60 lbs is no big deal. I curl the 60’s and my arms suck. A 75 lbs curl its what was originally being argued. I want to see 6 reps of that from a guy with 15" arms.

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60 pounders are not easy. My arms are 18.5 inches and I’m curling 60 pounders for ~ 10 reps. I’d like to see anyone with significantly smaller arms (15-16") curling 60 pounders for reps on video.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
60 pounders are not easy. My arms are 18.5 inches and I’m curling 60 pounders for ~ 10 reps. I’d like to see anyone with significantly smaller arms (15-16") curling 60 pounders for reps on video. [/quote]

Don’t know how big my arms are but they really don’t seem big to me and it don’t take much for me to curl 60lbs strict form for like the first 7 reps.

I will oblige to your video request.

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[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
60 pounders are not easy. My arms are 18.5 inches and I’m curling 60 pounders for ~ 10 reps. I’d like to see anyone with significantly smaller arms (15-16") curling 60 pounders for reps on video. [/quote]

Or you’re just using much better form/better ROM…hard to say.