i’m 33 years young.
healthy diet, high stress life
no libido, depression, apathy, fatigue all of my life
You’re going to compare the abuse of synthetic testosterone derivatives to bio-identical testosterone for replacement purposes? That is your argument?
It is amazing how many questions I ask you and how many of them you avoid and deflect.
Give up. You’re a troll.
bodybuilders used a lot of stuff before death. natural testosterone and synthetic. we dont know which exactly killed them. most steroids are testosterone based anyway
Testosterone is cardio protective.
Synthetic testosterone derivatives are not.
I think it is pretty clear which ones kill them. Do you know how many compounds a typical bodybuilder takes by the way? Answer me that one at least.
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estradiol is cardioprotective, not testosterone.
i dont know. i dont give a fuck about bodybuilding
What raises estradiol? Oh, I know. TESTOSTERONE.
You need BOTH testosterone and estradiol to have the cardio-protective benefits.
Bodybuilders on average take SEVENTEEN compounds.
Yet, it’s the testosterone that is killing them… right?
i heard bodybuilders take 3 steroids max. dont know about 17
You heard wrong. I deal with physicians who work with bodybuilders. The AVERAGE is 17 compounds.
Shall I link you to a video I did with one of them explaining this? Would you believe it if you heard it from a doctor?
We need to take this somewhere else, we are hijacking Vonko’s thread.
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@systemlord agreed
Exactly what I was going to post.
Thank you.
I’m out for the evening.
For those of you who were curious as to how many compounds that bodybuilders take, in case you are concerned that it is the testosterone itself causing harm (even though there is not a single study in 80 years demonstrating testosterone causing harm at any dosage), here is the great Dr. Eric Serrano who has worked with bodybuilders and Olympic athletes for decades. The minimum is 14 compounds. Once they get to the top levels of bodybuilding it is 22 compounds.
Lol, seems like absolutely throwing down around here is the thing to do nowadays! I’d join in the fun but would rather save the juice for my workouts.
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You or I would probably be trolls, too, if our T were in the tank. I’m a miserable version of myself when that’s the case. We know what the peer-reviewed literature says; you can lead a horse to water but can’t make him drink 
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Post a pic of yourself. I want to see if how close the visual in my head is.
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You haven’t done your research there’s a reason T helps men and us healthy. Just because your life hasn’t improved is not The daily if T. You can make it work. You don’t have to be infertile. Where have you been getting your info? I wonder because it’s bad for your state of mind. Majority of people who do trt and say it doesn’t work have more complex issues like thyroid : adrenals: and or not enough time or enough dose.
Stay positive. If one has low T and symptoms it should help when you figure it out friend
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Dr. Eric Serrano is referring to elite body builders which I hope this is clarified. I wouldn’t even claim to hold a small percentage of his experience or knowledge but that many compounds is certainly rare. I’m also still speculating that many ‘at once’ and not in multiple cycles per year is odd. I would find it hard to even quickly name that many but I suppose if you throw in hgh, insulin, t3 etc I could. Most amateur body builders cycle with a lot fewer compounds.
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The deaths we hear of are from the elite bodybuilders. That’s what the discussion was. There is not evidence of any deaths due to strictly testosterone use. The studies regarding stroke and cardiovascular events are flawed when you dig deeper. There is not a single study out there using relatively healthy men where testosterone at any level caused harm. I know this because I have been actively researching the topic along with multiple physicians for over 4 years.