Yes I would agree with you entirely from what I’ve read as well. I particularly like the study referenced above were you debunked the control group as I came to the same conclusion.
I do think we should let @vonko1988 have his TRT log without more deviation/interruption. You make some valid points as to who should be advising. There is a lot of ‘bandwagon’ mentality on here.
Agreed. @ineedenergy start your own thread with your own questions about TRT since you are ‘researching’
He has one already.
You are a negative uneducated quack. You sound so bad. Stop embarrassing yourself.
You have no clue what you say.
Please stop the bleeding now.
No… WE are the ignorant ones because he has been researching TRT since 2013 according to him. 6 years of research and this is what he knows? 6 years of research and he’s a clinical disaster, but hands out advice?
THIS is why I get aggravated guys. Misinformation being fed to beginners who wind up getting worse instead of better. I see it all day and I hate it.
But no one with a brain would buy what this guy is putting down – has he said anything compelling? – so I don’t think you need to get aggravated, brother (at least in this case).
Let’s leave Mr Vonko alone to his thread
For the record - today I feel not so well, somehow tense, very horny but a bit moody. Ive been moody before TRT as well but this is completely different. I know it is expected now when my hormones are adjusting. Guess it will not be all roses and sunshine and I will need to be patient.
Yeah, I get moody too, especially when my body is adjusting to a new dose. This moodiness also often coincides with my stress level at work.
A very shitty combination
It’s often practically impossible to parse out what’s the testosterone and what’s life circumstances (like when sleep is suffering)
But I guess you can discern how you normally react in stressful situations and when there is something else
Rule number 1 about TRT: Don’t blame everything on your dose.
Some weeks I’m really horny and some weeks I’m not. Some weeks I’m tried, stressed, etc and some weeks I’m not. Yet my dose is the same every week.
It’s NOT the testosterone. It’s life.
I generally agree with you, like 9/10 times…but sometimes, if you have changed your protocol, it actually is the testosterone.
Yes, obviously… what I’m saying is my dose is always the same and I still get my ups and downs. If I’m down, I won’t blame it on my dose because that same dose worked for the past month etc.
I tend to agree with you here. But since I started 8 days ago and my endocrine system is all over the place…is it logical that could be from that as well?
There won’t be nearly as much going on with your endrocrine system after 8 days than you think.
Again, all of these things take time. Much more time than you realize. I could give myself an injection of 500mg right now and I won’t be feeling it whatsoever in a few days from now. This is a ‘set it and forget it’ thing. You take your dose, don’t think about it, live your life, and assess after 6-8 weeks. Then make adjustments as necessary, rinse, and repeat.
I will try to, maybe I overanalyze too much for sure.
Maybe? 
We all do in the beginning man. Don’t beat yourself up, but DO listen to what some of these guys are trying to tell you. They aren’t “picking” on you, they are trying to help you.
Placebo effect is AMAZINGLY strong. My heart rate skyrocketed on my first injection. Why? Was it the testosterone flooding my body? Of course not. It was my hormonally screwed up self displaying anxiety over my own fears and unknowns. This effect is JUST AS STRONG on the positive side, when we anticipate that this is going to “fix us right up”. You might even feel (for a moment in time) like you could chew through an Olympic Barbell!! This is anticiapation induced adrenaline…not the test in your body.
Bottom line is, you were freaking out and taking cues off of premature blood tests. A little primer (at least as I understand it) on serum levels, especially in the beginning. Blood tests are a snapshot of a single point in time. Your serum levels are going to be up and down as the body eventually recognizes more testoterone, and then modulates the output of other hormones in reaction.
Finally, in the very beginning, your serum levels can show very high, but that doesn’t mean that those levels are what your body is actively running on at that moment. What do i mean here? I’ll try to explain…
Think of testosterone as the the proper building materials, with your body being the craftsman, and the broken shit inside of you being the project…
The material supply is getting bigger, but it takes MUCH more time for the craftsman to gather those materials, and then actually do the work of the project. The repairs aren’t made immediately, they take time.
The 6-8 week mark is for the purpose of giving you enough time to allow the body to stabilize all other hormonal modulations in response to a (by this time frame) stabilized serum level of testosterone, and then asses how you feel (mainly focusing on negative aspects at this time). This will tell you if you feel somewhat stable on the current protocol, or if it has to be adjusted. THEN, once you are ok with the protocol, and levels are stable, it can take your body MONTHS to actually make and finalize repairs…
Hope this makes sense…