It is ABSOLUTELY in your head. If you had any understanding of the pharmacokinetics of testosterone this would be clear as day. You’ve been taking the stuff for mere days. It does NOT work this way.
Testosterone has dangerous side effects? Please list what those are and provide links to the medical literature that demonstrates this.
You’re nuts.
lol. read this forum at least. no libido on TRT, ED on TRT, gyno on TRT. chest pain on TRT, anxiety on TRT. heart attacks, strokes, blood clots, blood thickening
Have you checked how much is the half life of propionate and phenylpropionate? And suspecting my own production is still there, it is mostly added on top of what I had
Zero understanding ? I learn about shitty TRT since 2013
Testosterone improves libido (one of the demonstrated reasons why we take it)
Testosterone improves ED (one of the demonstrated reasons why we take it)
Gyno is caused by hormone fluctuations if you are genetically prone to it. I got mild gyno BEFORE starting TRT and TRT has improved it.
Chest pain on TRT? Where?? Cite your sources in the medical literature that it causes chest pain.
Heart attacks, strokes, or blood clots?? Show me a SINGLE study in the medical literature that demonstrates this.
Blood thickening is erythrocytosis which is normal and to be expected on TRT. Thicker blood due to higher oxygenation for performance. It is not an issue whatsoever.
Do you know anything accurate on this subject?
ZERO
Cite your sources in the medical literature for anything you just claimed. It’s absolute nonsense.
The half life here is irrelevant. You’ve watched on the videos on the TRT YouTube channel. I know this because you leave ridiculous comments under all of them. What is the very first thing all the doctors say, and myself included? You need to raise levels and then give those levels sufficient time to have an effect. They will not have an immediate effect after mere days. It simply does not work like that. It is absolutely in your head.
Danny and I have had our debates, and they have been documented all over this forum…but I will say this man, and I’m not trying to take sides here but…
He’s not wrong…
I know all this. but first: Im not using cypionate, second everyone is different, and third my levels are raised as tested today although not significantly. In someone more sensitive even a small raise in free testosterone can lead to improvement of certain symptoms. Anyway, I know what I feel and no need to argue. We will see how I will feel when I reach 30-32 nmol/l and maybe my SHBG gets suppressed
For the record a friend of mine also got feeling a lot better on the second week when he switched from bi-weekly enanthate to ED omnadren. This ester acts much quicker than cypionate.
So if you have a vitamin D deficiency, and being as special as you are, you can take 10,000iu of vitamin D, immediately have higher levels of it, and reap all the benefits of higher Vitamin D. Within days. Correct?
If you get cancer, you only need an hour of chemotherapy, because you’re so sensitive. No need to wait for the stuff to actually do anything. You’re ‘sensitive’ so it will do the job within days. Correct?
I think you need medication other than testosterone.
Last year when I started taking vitamin D I rose levels very quickly. In one month went from 20 to 50 by taking 7000-8000 per day.
It doesn’t MATTER getting your levels up! You need to WAIT for those higher levels to have an EFFECT!
This is the part you aren’t grasping. For Vitamin D it takes MONTHS to raise levels and to start getting the benefits. With testosterone it’s weeks. There is nothing you can do within a few days to say, “Oh yeah… the testosterone is definitely kicking in now…” It doesn’t work that way!
You are an overanalyzer. You were like that in the FB group. You’re like that on the YT channel. You’re like that here. You overcomplicate everything. Now you finally started taking a tiny bit of testosterone for the first time in your life and you have all these wonderful expectations. You’re thinking about your testosterone levels every minute of the day (I know, been there! Done that!) and you’re thinking that every little difference you feel is a result of the testosterone. Meanwhile, the guys here who have been doing this for years are probably in hysterics to read this stuff. It’s total and complete noob stuff to say. I have no issue whatsoever with you being a beginner because we all started there. What I DO have an issue with is you spending your days dishing out TRT related advice on forums when you really know nothing on the subject whatsoever. Then another noob will think you know what you’re talking about, take your advice, and then things go bad.
Do you understand this?
You’re just very ignorant
I experienced it myself !
check out FDA cautions
Don’t tell me thick blood is good
I understand your experience is much bigger than mine I respect that. But you should accept maybe everyone is different and I may feel some benefits even from short period of time. You can deny it as much as I want, I dont care man. Zero fucks given. How I feel is most important to me. I leave you to your new buddy @ineedenergy
Also you are not someone that can tell me whether to give advice or not, you understand that?
I didn’t ask for posts made by noobs. I asked for PEER REVIEWED STUDIES found in the medical literature.
Thick blood is good. Why do you think athetes take EPO (which is a banned substance)? It is to raise red blood cell production (thicker blood) to provide better oxygenation for performance purposes. Why don’t you look it up? Or perhaps you don’t know the difference between Erythrocytosis and Polycythemia Vera??
I’m ignorant, he says. You don’t have a basic level 1 understanding of the topic. You’re a TROLL.
I feel like I’ve needed
a lot the last few days reading T-nation.
No, you can do what you wish. But I can also do what I wish by pointing out the sheer nonsense in the advice you dish out. That I can do, because it is absolute nonsense. I know damn well that everyone is different. However, we are all MEN. We have the same biology, and in you there is NO WAY that testosterone will suddenly start providing all kinds of benefits after mere days. It’s a lie, it’s untruthful, and it’s delusional.
@dbossa And what evidence do you have that the elevated testosterone levels need at least X amount of days to take effect?
@ineedenergy go Google “EPO for athletes” and then explain to the class why athletes want to take that stuff to make their blood get thicker. Please. Start with that.
Then provide the studies to the heart attacks, blood clots, and strokes.