Dude im gonna come rite out and say it cause nobody else will. Stop crying about every little thing . Oh i feel great but have stomach issues and ohhhh the personal drama etc . Holy shit you sound like a 13 year old girl . Now all these guys can sit here and comfort you , as you change your protocol , oils , test , everything but its so annoying . Especially when i look into threads and you’re giving advice left and rite . I think you are Amanofgod’s long lost cousin and hes a fat troll on every forum. Its not the test , protocol , im or sub q , carrier oil , its your wacked out mind. Do you work out ? Maybe try that , might give you some confidence and stop all the complaining . Sorry but not sorry , its like reading a soap opera , and yes i know i dont have to read it but for fucks sake i was hoping to come in here and maybe see you say i sucked it up and feel good , thanks everyone for your advice .
So yep nobody forces you to read…
I’ve been trying to tell him in a softer gentler way.
VOnko he’s showing you tough love. Maybe consider it. Several men have said the same thing.
I would and have always critiques myself. If more than one person says something about my behavior; then there is some truth to what’s being said. I can grow and learn from it.
Or screw them all because they have no clue what they are talking about.
You waited forever to start TRT. Now you are on TRT and have a year worth of reading and research behind you. The main thing anyone should learn from reading these board is that patience is key. Over analyzing every ache and pain doesn’t do anything for us.
Cypionate takes at least 6 weeks to stabilize. 40-50 days. You didn’t even wait till week 6.
Yep, that’s true man and I agree. So Im not making any changes.
But dont you think stomach issues since starting the product are worth considering? And this is a side effect that has nothing to do with stabilizing levels. Ive read a lot on this forum and yet didnt see anyone complain from stomach issues from testosterone product. And yet everyone is unique…
Otherwise I feel good.
Life goes on with TRT. Just cause we are on T doesn’t men’s we won’t get sick and allergies and aches and pains. Headaches and shit
My doctor says a Big problem with guys on TRT is that every symptom is due to TRT . Half the time it’s not. Especially stomach pain.
I can’t see T causing any stomach ailments. It’s probably something you ate or whatever. Or it could be anxiety or stress.
Aren’t you on thyroid as well? That in itself was a game changer for me.
I was taking small doses of T3 for some time but not anymore. I couldnt handle higher(normal doses). Also I’ve tried NDT but felt bad from it. To be honest I see no reason for now to mess with thyroid and my thyroid numbers dont look bad.
stay positive @vonko1988 , the mind is a powerful thing …think your superman everymorning and going to conquer the day and watch how great things can be !!! 
Bro, no wish for conflict here, but this kind of wishful thinking…sorry 
What do you think will happen to a guy who for example needs TRT, he has the symptoms and you tell him “think every morning you are a superman”. Will this solve his issues?
You’re not getting it . Maybe trt isn’t for you . Good luck 
Yes, after 8 weeks. Anytime before 8 weeks? No.
Want to know how you know that? Wait 8 weeks
Answer to your next question… Wait 8 weeks
Yes, Im not getting it. This self-help Tony Robins style bulshit definitely doesn’t play with me
lol ok , well continue on with what your doing cause looks like your annoying more and more ppl daily pal . Change your thread title to “Vonko’s Pitty Party” everyone come hear about all my problems . I’ll keep reading for entertainment haha
@dextermorgan @enackers @appassionato
I wanna give my two cents and contribute to the forum with my experience.
So as it turned out the problem was not my mindset, as some “smart” people here claim but the gear I was using. If you get one thing from me let it be: NO UGL STUFF WHATSOVER I dont know how, but even if correctly dosed UGL stuff just doesnt work well for me. Period. And my test levels were not bad and they made sense.
I stopped the cypionate on week 5. And to be honest I should have stopped it earlier. Sometimes waiting isnt the answer. With this UGL cypionate I had libido issues from day 1 and on the fifth week it was terrible. And no it was not because of my testosterone levels, they were not that bad.
Beginning of previous week I had to either go back on sustanon or try one Iranian Enanthate(Iran Hormone) that was illegally smuggled from Turkey and send to a friend of mine for his TRT. It was supposed to be genuine. I decided to try the Iran Hormone enanthate because I was waiting that they will open the border very soon and I can go to Serbia and finally buy enanthate from the pharmacy(what I was trying to do for the last 3 months). So I started the Iran hormone stuff and I felt a bit better but still some strange side effects I dont expect to get from testosterone.
Last Saturday I met one guy here who is using the pharmaceutical enanthate from Serbia. He gave me one ampule to try it. I transfered it into insulin syringes and managed to collect 7 doses(I guess I lost something along the way) so Saturday I injected it for the first time. Just a few hours after that my libido was FUCKIN RAGING. So since then Im injecting it and I feel almost like my best days on TRT. I still feel I need to adjust to the new ester and product however, but I feel much better and no strange sensations and side effects. And the sleep - the reason I decided to step away from the sustanon is still OK. Energy and libido are very good. In Saturday I will go to Serbia to get supplies, my last dose is up to Friday so Saturday no injection for me 
The moral of all this - DONT USE UGL SHIT
@dextermorgan I will not fuck around any more, no more changes in doses supplements and whatever. Just will need to go from time to time to Serbia to load up, but the border is 60km away from my city.
One more interesting thing - seems sub-q works better for my so as I scrapped the cypionate Im back to sub-q. In fact I dont know if sub-q is better but for sure it works good enough If I use pharma test so I see no more reason in trying to poke my muscles again.
I imagined the issue was with the underground testosterone.
Stick to pharma grade enanthate now and see how you will feel in 2 months.
Thats the plan
Got supplies from Serbia today, 40 ampules of pharmaceutical enanthate and continuing the protocol(22.5mg daily subq). I will see how I will feel on it and after one month I will go to buy more, although there can be issues crossing the border. Today after I entered Bulgaria I talked to a customs officer I know and it turned out what I did was not quite legal, but many people are doing it.
In Thursday and Friday I started to feel very bad. I felt my test levels have fallen and went to the lab to test total test only(cheap one) and indeed it was a little over 800. Seems when you are used to feel fine at 1400, 800 seems terrible and in my opinion 800 on TRT isnt like 800 endogenous but that is another story. When I finished the cypionate I was at around 1000. My protocol has been 22.5mg daily on cyp as well but I was doing IM
Do you think it might have fallen because the Iranian enanthate from last week was under-dosed, or because of transferring from cypionate?(different half lifes). Hope soon to be back at 1400…
A friend of mine in another city started TRT with the Iranian cypionate. He had 346 ng/dl before TRT, injected one whole ampule IM(250mg ester) and after 48 hours his total test was 980 ng/dl. @highpull do you think this is genuine test based on that result?
Yep. Trt is working. Its not working. Change protocol. Yay! Its working. This is the shit. Post all over the net everybody listen up, do this. Oh no, 2 days later its not working. Ad infinitum.
I know I don’t have to read this. But like your system buddy, I see you post all over advising others.
I think rule number one of TRT, even more important than changing stuff too quick should be: Stop advising others unless your own shit is in order.
Maybe he needs AI
You think you are a smart ass but I bet you didnt have to deal with fake esters, shortage of testosterone and etc right? So you can get your smartness out of my topic, nobody forces you to read
Good luck with that poison
I do, but the dose may not be accurate. I don’t know if it is more of a quality control issue or they are intentionally under dosing. However, most of the guys I see who have been using underground sources are switching due to inconsistent results. I’ve seen a few who were pretty much buying placebos.
Funny story, at one of the world championships a couple of my friends traded with the Russians, blue jeans and record albums for steroids. I didn’t get any, I was not taking anything if I could not read the label. We joked about their “Russian placebos” for quite a while.