you Really have to allow the Test to work. It takes many months and one should it make adjustments every 2 months. With the general knowledge out there we know 20-30ng/dL is a good range to sit in. We also know consistent dosing and excretion into the system is also helpful. I would make sure I’m doing that and do this for at least 2 months. Then around the end of 3rd month I would probably add more to my dose and continue.
I don’t know much about the anxiety and other weird symptoms some folks get from injectable. I can tell you I’ve suggested to a handful of man to switch to the cream (applies to the testes) and they said all of their weird symptoms and lack of libido disappeared.
Not sure why injections do this to some.
I can tell you that time is key. We’re talking 3-6 months for the body to adapt. That’s why so many say give it months. The only time we modify at 6-7 weeks (stabilizes levels) is to make sure levels are high enough to produce the positive benefits we seek from TRT.
My story is way different than yours. Year 1 I had many issues. I switched to the cream and thyroid and felt better. After 3 months I felt even better. Every 2-3 months I felt better and better. I’m around 1.3 years now and I don’t have as many weird symptoms as I used to. That’s too much energy and can’t sleep. Off and on libido. Feeling of well being became more consistent around a year. It’s like my body adapted at one year and a switch was flipped.
Now I don’t even notice if I miss my dose in the evening. Or if I take less dose. My libido is also ridiculously consistent now as well.
I don’t know if that helps. Overall I suggest do not over analyze and be very patient.
Normally I know for some people it takes longer, but it seems that it not the case for me. As I said again when I started TRT on sustanon in November I got optimized really quickly. It seemed the benefits appeared as soon as getting my blood levels in optimal range. My worst low t symptoms - anxiety and depression disappeared really quickly, so they are my first measure if a protocol works for me.Libido, energy and gym strength come after that.
. The issue with sustanon was I got this really bad morning time wake ups almost from day one. It was before my levels have climbed. The only possible logical explanation for that can be the peak of the short esters or some strange reaction to the oil(this seems highly unlikely). I tried to fix sleep with supplements but that caused additional side effects. And after I met two other guys who had the same problem on sustanon and not on other esters I decided to switch. I had a sound plan to get pharma enanthate, but then the pandemic happened So I got to the last resort - the UGL cypionate. Even from a very trusted producer UGL is UGL.
So at the mark of month two after changing esters I assume sustanon will be clear from my system, cyp would have built up for sure and If I still feel bad there should be some issue with the product Im using.
As for the levels I also know at what levels I felt optimal so Im taking the same dosage now of the new ester. Protocol is again daily, but now is IM instead of sub-q. I know same dosages of different esters can produce different blood levels so at week 8 the blood test will show, but I think my symptoms are more important than any blood test.
I would wait 8 weeks and then switch to pharma enanthate if there’s no improvement.
I’m not a believer that you can feel junk for 2 months and then suddenly feel well on the third month.
Especially because you have been on testosterone for a while now, you’re not a newbie. The body already had the time to learn how to deal with higher T.
The general rule of thumb for drugs to reach steady state in the tissues is 4-5 half lives. T Cypionate half life is 8 days.
Plain and simple, thanks.
If I have to transfer to enanthate this transition should be much more smooth because enanthate has a shorter half-life, right?
I’ve been on both for extended periods of time and can’t tell any difference. I was switched from cypionate to enanthate and didn’t even know for like 6 months until I read the bottle by chance. I’m a firm believer in it taking more time than you want it to which is one reason you see everyone that’s been here a year and still feels like crap usually leaves a trail of constantly changing shit. Give yourself as much time as you can handle before switching. For me 8 weeks is when things start to look up but by no means am I feeling like I’m there yet. More like walking through a dark tunnel and finally seeing a little light but the end is still a ways away.
Yes symptoms matter. Why don’t you just raise your dose until symptoms resolve. There’s a limit ofcourse, but UGL might be shit.
If I was on 200mg UGL i would increase to 230-250 ASAP. It won’t kill ya. You’ll just know if it’s better for you or not. Otherwise baby increments by 10 will take months to figure it out.
We know T works For you. Keep it simple and just figure out what dose you need.
Agreed bro. I also think you need a good dose to start with making sure you don’t have to keep wondering if it’s enough or not.
Guys who start super low end up slowlyyyyyyy increasing and after a year they have tried 4 doses.
We know T is not very harmful. So why not start at 200 and just call it a day. Later they can lower it and figure out a minimal dose to save a few bucks at the same time.
I dont wanna mess with this. I’ve found my proper dose already so If the product is not correctly dosed better to changed the product that is pharmaceutical.
In my mind the dosing is correct but Im reacting negatively to some ingredient, this is what I feel knowing well my body. Time will tell now
I guess you dont have experience with Iraninan pharmaceutical test? Have you heard something from your military overseas, marines, I bet they’ve been using it?
Nothing. If the UGL is not consistent it’s not the same dose. Also different oils might require different doses. The entire point is bio it in the bud. I think your supply is low quality. 200 might be 150. When I started I had all types of weird nagging issues. They all are fine 1 year in. Over analyzing every issue inflames that issue in the mind. Does it not?
Just thinking maybe you should keep it simple and go for the most obvious fix.
I can take 2 clicks, 3 clicks or 4 am and another PM and I don’t feel a big difference. If I did this when I started I would notice a difference. A year in my body is happy if it gets what it needs. If there’s more it seems it doesn’t matter.
No, I dont think so. HCG has brought me only positives and Im not even considering stopping it. Usually between day 20 and 25 since I solve a new bottle I can feel it loosing potency and some of the issues because of which I started it reappear
I diddn’t wanna say it until at least tow days have passed, but the last two days I feel really great. Like my best days since I started TRT and even better. Finally I think test cyp built up when I hit 4 weeks. And I feel a bit calmer compared to when I was optimized on sustanon. Even libido is good again. And thanks god because I had a very important personal drama yesterday for which was needed only the best of me.
However stomach issues remain. I also got a rash on my hands today, but yesterday i was in the woods moving through some brushes hope it is from that.
Since it is only 4 weeks on the new protocol in I assume there will be some fluctuations the next days so Im prepared not to be disappointed Maybe there is really a reason why most progressive doctors prefer cypionate or enathate.
@dextermorgan out of curiosity, how long were you waiting before increasing your dose up when you were making your way up to where you are now?
3 months each time?
Between 2-3 months. When I went to 100mg I waited a little over 3 months, 120mg was like 2 months and then every increment until 185mg was about 3 months. I stayed at 185mg for a long time then started doing 185mg for 2 weeks, then 200mg for two weeks, back to 185mg and repeat which seemed to help keep libido extra high. After a while I just stuck to 200mg because I kept forgetting to switch back. No real difference that I can tell between 185mg & 200mg besides it being an even number.
In all honesty though even 3 months isn’t long enough to know exactly how a dose is going to effect you. I felt some level of difference between 3 months and 6 months at 185mg.
So I got to the last resort - the UGL cypionate. Even from a very trusted producer UGL is UGL.
Maybe there is really a reason why most progressive doctors prefer cypionate or enathate.