Vitex and Tribex post-cycle

Interesting factoid – don’t take it as gospel
since it’s only a one-person, one-time experiment over one week.

I’m working right now both with myself and
others on more aggressive brief cycle plans,
such as 2 on / 2 off and even 2 on / 1 off.

On myself this time I decided to rely mostly
on Vitex (one capsule of the Solaray product per day) and the new Tribex (at label dosage) for recovery in
the off week. Now I did muddle the experiment
by taking a loading dose of Clomid on day 1,
just to be certain, and next time I will not
do that.

Results from one off week have been excellent.
Libido if anything has been consistently even
higher than during the cycle, though that
is not necessarily due to amazing T levels
but could be due to good T levels combined
with dopaminergic effect. I’m actually a little
stronger after the week off though that could
be neurological. LBM retention has been good: I’m down 8 lb but typically I’m down 9 lb immediately after a cycle, due not to loss of contractile protein but loss of glycogen and glycogen-associated water, and also less food in the system. And besides that I think one pound of that is fat loss, since, contrary to usual practice of having maintenance calories in the first off week, I kept calories a little low.

I did not experience increase to above-baseline
ejaculatory volume, as Brock has reported, but
I kind of wonder if that’s to be expected anyway, since Brock says Vitex does not increase FSH, and I rather suspect FSH increase
is how Clomid increases ejaculatory volume. In that one respect Clomid would have worked better. In all other respects, the Vitex/Tribex
stack was completely satisfactory, and next
time I will omit the Clomid entirely, to see what happens.

Overall, if you have access to Clomid I’d
still recommend that approach, since it’s
so well proven. However, if you don’t have
access to Clomid, this herbal stack appears
quite effective (and I’d expect the new
Biotest “M” product, especially if combined
with Tribex, to be even better.)

Good info, Bill. Thanks for passing that along. “M” sounds pretty cool. Anyone (Brock?) know an estimated release date?

Bill,
How would you recommend using vitex with a 6 to 8 week finasol cycle?

Bill, will vitex substitute tribex?

Great info Bill! :slight_smile: Keep us posted on future results. Especially on how well the recovery is with such a short time off. I remember you saying you were going to alternate between bulking and dieting during the “on” time with this 2 week on 2 week off protocol, are you still doing that? How is that going? Thanks again for the info and keep us posted on these new cycle ideas.

Bill, who about just stacking vitex with Tribex and ZMA, without being on steroids or pro-hormones? Do you think that stack is effective??

Hey Bill, please describe the dopaminergic effect some more. I’m currently taking both tribulus and vitex and and hyper aware. I’m having some trouble with insomnia. Is this combo causing increased dopamine? This could account for the increased libido and performance, as well.

Bill are your taking the Solaray 400mg caps or the 225mg extract caps? Thanks for all your great work and advice. 'Til its over, outlaw.