Vision Quest

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[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
baretta wrote:
uberswank wrote:
baretta wrote:

jehovasfitness was right, as soon as you add weight it ceases to be “bodyweight”. By your reasoning, deadlifts should be body weight as well. I’ll think you will find no one agreeing with you on this.

No. Bodyweight exercises mean moving your body through a range of motion, with or without added weight, i.e. pullups, dips, pushups, and squats. Non-Bodyweight exercises mean moving an external object through a range of motion, i.e. curls, benchpress, etc. The former is superior.

I always thought bodyweight was using your own bodyweight as the load you are lifting. Why call it bodyweight if you are lifting more. Like i said, is the deadlift a bodyweight exercise?..i dont think so, but by your reasoning it is because you are moving you body up and down through a range of motion. That definition just doesn’t hold up. every excercise is using and external load through a range of motion.

“the deadlift”, is a bodyweight exercise because it includes a bentover squat…its just a lousy bodyweight exercise without some resistance, you would be better of doing a squat for bodyweight exercise, and a bentover row bor a non-bodyweight exercise…if you had no weight to the deadlift

with weight its excellent
it sorta uses both, the squat part is the bodyweight movement

a better defined bodyweight exercise is one without alot of added resistanse to be effective. lipke a dip, or pull up, are some of the front runners.

same goes for non-bodyweight exercises

the better they are, the more resistance you will need to make them effective

bench presses need alot of resistance to be effective

IMHO, the more weight you need to make an exercise effective, the more inferior it is to one that doesn’t need resistance

peace

[/quote]

you are surely suffering from some form of mental retardation. I am not even mentioning the fact you just called a deadlift and squat a bodyweight exercise. When i read your posts my brain starts to hurt, you dont even make any sense and your all over the place.

So the more weight you need to add the less effective the exercise? That means the leg curl is more effective that a squat or dip is more effective than a bench for building chest

BTW, cant wait for grade 2…but i always was a fast learner …hahahah

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[quote]baretta wrote:
I always thought bodyweight was using your own bodyweight as the load you are lifting. Why call it bodyweight if you are lifting more.
[/quote]

These motions startout as bodyweight, and you add weight through various means to get progressive resistance.

[quote]
Like i said, is the deadlift a bodyweight exercise?..i dont think so,[/quote]

A deadlift is definately not a bodyweight exercise, the focus of the deadlift is to move an external object. Like Mr.Pushups said, try doing a deadlift without a weight, pretty pointless!

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Mr. Push-Ups is really dumb.

Sometimes it makes me sad when people are this dumb. Sometimes it makes me laugh.

But, with him…I don’t know what to feel. I wish I could help, but I would rather not be alone with him. He might want to show me his windowless van and collection of baby shoes.

I take it back: Mr. Push-ups is not dumb; he is scary.

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Hi Mr. Push Ups,

I really like when someone makes controversial talking points.
But I see no need to defend your ideas so aggressively, like in “get lost gay shit bench press”!

Anyway, stay strong!

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[quote]uberswank wrote:
baretta wrote:

No. Bodyweight exercises mean moving your body through a range of motion, with or without added weight, i.e. pullups, dips, pushups, and squats. Non-Bodyweight exercises mean moving an external object through a range of motion, i.e. curls, benchpress, etc. The former is superior.

[/quote]

WOW!

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[quote]baretta wrote:
Mr. Push Ups wrote:
baretta wrote:
uberswank wrote:
baretta wrote:

jehovasfitness was right, as soon as you add weight it ceases to be “bodyweight”. By your reasoning, deadlifts should be body weight as well. I’ll think you will find no one agreeing with you on this.

No. Bodyweight exercises mean moving your body through a range of motion, with or without added weight, i.e. pullups, dips, pushups, and squats. Non-Bodyweight exercises mean moving an external object through a range of motion, i.e. curls, benchpress, etc. The former is superior.

I always thought bodyweight was using your own bodyweight as the load you are lifting. Why call it bodyweight if you are lifting more. Like i said, is the deadlift a bodyweight exercise?..i dont think so, but by your reasoning it is because you are moving you body up and down through a range of motion. That definition just doesn’t hold up. every excercise is using and external load through a range of motion.

“the deadlift”, is a bodyweight exercise because it includes a bentover squat…its just a lousy bodyweight exercise without some resistance, you would be better of doing a squat for bodyweight exercise, and a bentover row bor a non-bodyweight exercise…if you had no weight to the deadlift

with weight its excellent
it sorta uses both, the squat part is the bodyweight movement

a better defined bodyweight exercise is one without alot of added resistanse to be effective. lipke a dip, or pull up, are some of the front runners.

same goes for non-bodyweight exercises

the better they are, the more resistance you will need to make them effective

bench presses need alot of resistance to be effective

IMHO, the more weight you need to make an exercise effective, the more inferior it is to one that doesn’t need resistance

peace

you are surely suffering from some form of mental retardation. I am not even mentioning the fact you just called a deadlift and squat a bodyweight exercise. When i read your posts my brain starts to hurt, you dont even make any sense and your all over the place.

So the more weight you need to add the less effective the exercise? That means the leg curl is more effective that a squat or dip is more effective than a bench for building chest

BTW, cant wait for grade 2…but i always was a fast learner …hahahah

[/quote]

The answer to your leg curl/leg extension exercise. the particular exercise works the ham string & the other the quad area around the knee. not the entire quad or even the hams or glutes get involved as in a squat. you cant compare a squat to a leg raise, or leg curl. thats apples and oranges.

you can however compare a squat to a leg press, that is a very similiar movement like the bench press and push up.

both the squat and the push up are superior.

2nd grade

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Hi Mr. Push Ups,

I really like when someone makes controversial talking points.
But I see no need to defend your ideas so aggressively, like in “get lost gay shit bench press”!

Anyway, stay strong![/quote]

Its true Germans are the smartest.

I completely agree with you. i’ve never lost a fight though. move people don’t have the stamina to hang with me. in both senses of the work

i do waste alot of time on here, but then again so do they

i guess were all wasting alot of fuckin time

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[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
Le Stig wrote:
Vision Quest sounds like some charity to raise money for cataract surgery in Ethiopia or something…

Mr. Push Ups, you obviously have a good imagination, you could write for some twat mag like Razzle.

LMFAO!

Le Stig, you’re the only one on this site i find amusing or even intelligent enough to be amusing.

most of these naysayers won’t live to see 80.
instead of reading the comics everyday, they read the obituaries for spelling and grammatic errors.

you are a very wise man

peace to you

i gotta get back to work, i’m on a lunch break[/quote]

Thanks MPU, still am confused by your posts though.

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[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
Its true Germans are the smartest.
[/quote]

I knew there was a reason I liked this guy. lol.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Mr. Push Ups wrote:
…
IMHO, the more weight you need to make an exercise effective, the more inferior it is to one that doesn’t need resistance

…

That is why the Olympic lifts are not effective. [/quote]

exactly, find me the same movement in a bodyweight exercise, and the bodyweight will be superior to the olympic lift. most likely the bodyweight equiv… would be something a gymnist could perform, raising up on thier hands in a handstand position

you can sit here all day and cry like a baby, but i will not feed you what you want to hear. you will lose, you cannot win, your defending inferior exercises. put your thinking cap on. your gonna have a long year trying to beat me.

in the end you lose, all bodyweight exercises are superior to any of thier non-bodyweight equivalents

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
Mr. Push-Ups is really dumb.

Sometimes it makes me sad when people are this dumb. Sometimes it makes me laugh.

But, with him…I don’t know what to feel. I wish I could help, but I would rather not be alone with him. He might want to show me his windowless van and collection of baby shoes.

I take it back: Mr. Push-ups is not dumb; he is scary.[/quote]

lets find out harris, what do you consider dumb? I.Q.? careful there mines over 130. street smarts? education? physique? choice of exercises? or do you even know what dumb is?

I know one thing harris. All you like to do is bait people. and thats fine. but your the opposite of me. your a pussy. i don’t go lookin for fights. like you. they come to me. i just happen to be strong enough to fight more than 1 at a time. you on the other will never face me. you like to sin in silence. you are a coward. every time i call someone out to face. thier internet tough attitude changes.

like i said people. if you got the balls. come get some. i’m here. i ain’t going anywhere.

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[quote]baretta wrote:
uberswank wrote:
baretta wrote:

jehovasfitness was right, as soon as you add weight it ceases to be “bodyweight”. By your reasoning, deadlifts should be body weight as well. I’ll think you will find no one agreeing with you on this.

No. Bodyweight exercises mean moving your body through a range of motion, with or without added weight, i.e. pullups, dips, pushups, and squats. Non-Bodyweight exercises mean moving an external object through a range of motion, i.e. curls, benchpress, etc. The former is superior.

I always thought bodyweight was using your own bodyweight as the load you are lifting. Why call it bodyweight if you are lifting more. Like i said, is the deadlift a bodyweight exercise?..i dont think so, but by your reasoning it is because you are moving you body up and down through a range of motion. That definition just doesn’t hold up. every excercise is using and external load through a range of motion.[/quote]

Someone call me out. Tell me how much of a fool I am for getting sucked into these arguements with these idiots.
Is T-Nation really a conspiracy for idiots desquised as people who workout. There are some very wise and experienced people here. The authors, prof x, a bunch more…but this place is flooded with non liftin’ keyboard tough guys. not to mention all the inexperience in stuff that is basic.

holy hell, i would hate to see what these fat asses gotta say about diets. try schoolin’ me on that 1, probably not a one of them are more ripped than i am. college degree punks don’t know shit. i took the bio classes.

do some decline crunches holding a 100lb heavybag and maybe you’ll get some trem’

speakin of witch…i gotta go in 20 minutes

so get it all out now keyboard killer krew

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[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Mr. Push Ups wrote:
…
IMHO, the more weight you need to make an exercise effective, the more inferior it is to one that doesn’t need resistance

…

That is why the Olympic lifts are not effective.

exactly, find me the same movement in a bodyweight exercise, and the bodyweight will be superior to the olympic lift. most likely the bodyweight equiv… would be something a gymnist could perform, raising up on thier hands in a handstand position

you can sit here all day and cry like a baby, but i will not feed you what you want to hear. you will lose, you cannot win, your defending inferior exercises. put your thinking cap on. your gonna have a long year trying to beat me.

in the end you lose, all bodyweight exercises are superior to any of thier non-bodyweight equivalents[/quote]

Please explain how you bulked your massive chest again. You must be HUGE!

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Drunk sees fitness fanatic doing pushups in the street, wanders over and says,

‘I think she’s gone’.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Hi Mr. Push Ups,

I really like when someone makes controversial talking points.
But I see no need to defend your ideas so aggressively, like in “get lost gay shit bench press”!

Anyway, stay strong![/quote]
Thanks,
I was born swingin’, i’m gonna die swingin’
They wouldn’t know what a thought was, if it landed on thier face and started to wiggle.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Mr. Push Ups wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Mr. Push Ups wrote:
…
IMHO, the more weight you need to make an exercise effective, the more inferior it is to one that doesn’t need resistance

…

That is why the Olympic lifts are not effective.

exactly, find me the same movement in a bodyweight exercise, and the bodyweight will be superior to the olympic lift. most likely the bodyweight equiv… would be something a gymnist could perform, raising up on thier hands in a handstand position

you can sit here all day and cry like a baby, but i will not feed you what you want to hear. you will lose, you cannot win, your defending inferior exercises. put your thinking cap on. your gonna have a long year trying to beat me.

in the end you lose, all bodyweight exercises are superior to any of thier non-bodyweight equivalents

Please explain how you bulked your massive chest again. You must be HUGE![/quote]

bench press for 10 years
then bench, dips, flyes, pullover, push ups last 5

it nice size
big for someone that only weighs 177

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Mr pushups

Although you are very aggressive in proving your points, I have to admit I am very curious about what you are talking about. I often wondered myself, if pull ups are better than their counterpart, the pull down, wouldn’t that make push ups better than the bench press? That is, if you could add enough resistance.
Would you post an example of your training week? I am curious about how you work in your bodyweight exercises in with your weight training. As well as your energy systems training. Thanks.

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[quote]Le Stig wrote:
Drunk sees fitness fanatic doing pushups in the street, wanders over and says,

‘I think she’s gone’.

[/quote]

LMAO

I guarentee this guy gets fuckin’ laid

there are 3 things women like

1- a ripped ass muther fucker with a body like a god

2- someone to make them say “oh god, oh god, oh god, oh god, oh god, oh god…ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh!”

3- someone that can just fuckin laugh

thats you man. good job

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[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Mr. Push Ups wrote:
…
IMHO, the more weight you need to make an exercise effective, the more inferior it is to one that doesn’t need resistance

…

That is why the Olympic lifts are not effective.

exactly, find me the same movement in a bodyweight exercise, and the bodyweight will be superior to the olympic lift. most likely the bodyweight equiv… would be something a gymnist could perform, raising up on thier hands in a handstand position

you can sit here all day and cry like a baby, but i will not feed you what you want to hear. you will lose, you cannot win, your defending inferior exercises. put your thinking cap on. your gonna have a long year trying to beat me.

in the end you lose, all bodyweight exercises are superior to any of thier non-bodyweight equivalents[/quote]

Do you know what the olympic lifts are? They are actually more productive than a push up and a little more difficult to master.

Your gross generalizations are quite humorous. Please keep going.

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Mr. Push Ups wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Mr. Push Ups wrote:
…
IMHO, the more weight you need to make an exercise effective, the more inferior it is to one that doesn’t need resistance

…

That is why the Olympic lifts are not effective.

exactly, find me the same movement in a bodyweight exercise, and the bodyweight will be superior to the olympic lift. most likely the bodyweight equiv… would be something a gymnist could perform, raising up on thier hands in a handstand position

you can sit here all day and cry like a baby, but i will not feed you what you want to hear. you will lose, you cannot win, your defending inferior exercises. put your thinking cap on. your gonna have a long year trying to beat me.

in the end you lose, all bodyweight exercises are superior to any of thier non-bodyweight equivalents

Do you know what the olympic lifts are? They are actually more productive than a push up and a little more difficult to master.

Your gross generalizations are quite humorous. Please keep going.[/quote]

Lets not.
Lets talk about something more important. Pussy. Pooty tang. Putnanny. Puta.

nobody cares about olympic lifts.
they’re boring. i get a better workout doing some cunninglingis lingoohli!