Vision Quest

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:
For someone who thinks he’s here to teach everybody a thing or two, you realy just come off as an ignorant moron. There are so many holes in so many of your statements that I find it hard to believe you even work out.

You realy need to post some pics to back up all of this mouth you have. Anything less at this point and it will just be obvious that you are just another doofus that thinks a lot of things, but never actualy does any of them.

Also, you never did let me know where your gym was that you train people at. I’d love to see the results of some of this “training”.

Well tomorrow when i get off work, i’ll show you personaly what 175lbs of muscle looks like at 5% bodyweight
you wanna see what push ups does to a chest. you can see mine tomorrow. i know exactly where your at. name the gym. i’ll be there.

put up or shut up brother.

everything i say is for me.
i dont give a flying fuck who believes me.
i’m telling you what i know
you fucking ignorant fools wanna listen to what others tell you instead of finding out for yourself, fine by me

i like to see first hand
how close are you to the south hills mall?[/quote]

Less than 5 miles. Familiar with South Park?
I lift at two home gyms- one in south Park and one in Peters Township.

Where are you?

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

Less than 5 miles. Familiar with South Park?
I lift at two home gyms- one in south Park and one in Peters Township.

Where are you?

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Timmmm-Mayyyyyy

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:

Less than 5 miles. Familiar with South Park?
I lift at two home gyms- one in south Park and one in Peters Township.

Where are you?

Timmmm-Mayyyyyy
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It’s true! I live two houses down from Kenny.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:

Less than 5 miles. Familiar with South Park?
I lift at two home gyms- one in south Park and one in Peters Township.

Where are you?

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home gym? what?

whats the gym name? golds?

Balleys? what?

i’ll be there. i’ll nbe home around 5:30, i’ll head right there, if you post the name of a gym

i’m 30 minutes from you

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I think it’s about time to release FRANKLINSTEIN

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I knew there would be push ups involved in this story somehow.

I can just picture this guy running around his gym with his arms out like a plane jumping around on the benches and screaming “I’m a machine! You want to see what a ripped 170 looks like?!?!”

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[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:

Bodyweight= using just your body

Adding external loads no longer makes it a bodyweight exercise.

You’re not insane, just a little nuts :smiley:

WRONG!

it would help if you got your head out of your ass and used your brain do think with.

“bodyweight exercise” means moving your bodyweight in the movement (body thru space movements) Less damaging CNS movements
(all can have weight added to them)
Morons like you don’t realize what exercise this is because of the name someone gave it.

You’re performing weighted bodyweight exercises
1- push ups
2- dips
3- squats
4- glute/ham raises
5- lunges
6- sit ups
…etc…etc…

non-bodyweight exercises include
1-Bench presses
2-leg press
3-deadlift
…etc…etc…

“Ignorance is your own slavery”[/quote]

I think you miss the point of bodyweight exercises. “weighted bodyweight exercises”?? Squats are definitely not bodyweight.

jehovasfitness was right, as soon as you add weight it ceases to be “bodyweight”. By your reasoning, deadlifts should be body weight as well. I’ll think you will find no one agreeing with you on this.

I’m usually not one to throw stones on the net, but your posts are extremely annoying. We get it, you’re intense and jacked. If you stop insulting other people maybe you would be taken more seriously.

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Dude, just post some pics of you at 175#'s at 5% bf and maybe you will get a tiny shred of respect.

Until then people will think you are nuts.

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[quote]baretta wrote:

jehovasfitness was right, as soon as you add weight it ceases to be “bodyweight”. By your reasoning, deadlifts should be body weight as well. I’ll think you will find no one agreeing with you on this.

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No. Bodyweight exercises mean moving your body through a range of motion, with or without added weight, i.e. pullups, dips, pushups, and squats. Non-Bodyweight exercises mean moving an external object through a range of motion, i.e. curls, benchpress, etc. The former is superior.

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Vision Quest sounds like some charity to raise money for cataract surgery in Ethiopia or something…

Mr. Push Ups, you obviously have a good imagination, you could write for some twat mag like Razzle.

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[quote]uberswank wrote:
baretta wrote:

jehovasfitness was right, as soon as you add weight it ceases to be “bodyweight”. By your reasoning, deadlifts should be body weight as well. I’ll think you will find no one agreeing with you on this.

No. Bodyweight exercises mean moving your body through a range of motion, with or without added weight, i.e. pullups, dips, pushups, and squats. Non-Bodyweight exercises mean moving an external object through a range of motion, i.e. curls, benchpress, etc. The former is superior.

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I always thought bodyweight was using your own bodyweight as the load you are lifting. Why call it bodyweight if you are lifting more. Like i said, is the deadlift a bodyweight exercise?..i dont think so, but by your reasoning it is because you are moving you body up and down through a range of motion. That definition just doesn’t hold up. every excercise is using and external load through a range of motion.

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[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
m_mackenz wrote:
Mr. Push Ups wrote:

When you have to lift 100’s of lbs weighing down on your shoulders that could make you faint and pass out at any time; which by the way oyu will probably be crushed by the barbell. It makes for a pretty intense exercise.

Pull ups, not so scary…you just drop to the floor.
Deadlifts, not so scary…you just drop the weight on the floor.

Squats…hahaha “the ultimate heavy bodyweight exercise”

Bench Press, drop the weight and it crushes your chest or throat. Did you see Gene Rychlak?

Squat, use a fucking Power Rack.

I love squatting. But I don’t think it’s as hardcore or dangerous as you represent.

Horseshit!

Bench press get the “F” outta here
i can max around 350, ive been stuck i dont know how many times with over 300 on my chest, i’ve rolled that fucker right off me like it was nuthin.

I also squat about the same and if i get stuck under that i’m fucked…all kinda shit can go wrong…i could break my back, i already blew my lower back out twice. passed out a million times.

you wanna compare a bench to a squat get real

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Gene Rychlak being crushed by a 1015 pound bench press. I guess he should have just rolled it off.

http://www.irongame.com/videos/20051108/GeneRychlak2005OlympiaExhibition1015lbBPSHWdump.wmv

You’ve already blown out your lower back TWICE from squatting? Maybe you are doing something wrong. Perhaps you are using too much weight? Rounding your back? Maybe you should be adding a lower back strenghtening exercise to your routine like weighted good mornings, or the king of the back builders: deadlifting (a wonderful bodyweight exercise). Let us know and maybe your fellow T-Nationers can help. Because we care about you.

Oh and I never said that Bench Press is superior to squatting. COMPLETELY different exercises. Where’s my ‘Jump to Conclusions’ Mat… I’ll lend it to you.

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[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
SkyzykS wrote:

Less than 5 miles. Familiar with South Park?
I lift at two home gyms- one in south Park and one in Peters Township.

Where are you?

home gym? what?

whats the gym name? golds?

Balleys? what?

i’ll be there. i’ll nbe home around 5:30, i’ll head right there, if you post the name of a gym

i’m 30 minutes from you
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No, man. Home Gym means that someone went out and bought equipment, then took it home and set it up in their basement.

P.M. me for more info. I’d love to see the 350 lb. bench press from someone who only does bodyweight. If you can manage that, then I’m sure you have some good concepts that we can work in to our programs. At this point, me and another guy are doing a westside combo of max effort and dynamic effort, with a rotating emphasis on the squat, dead, and bench. Now that I’m pressing 305 on a bad day though, I’m going to be switching to a volume oriented program by mid-March.

Hope to here from you soon.

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[quote]Le Stig wrote:
Vision Quest sounds like some charity to raise money for cataract surgery in Ethiopia or something…

Mr. Push Ups, you obviously have a good imagination, you could write for some twat mag like Razzle.[/quote]

LMFAO!

Le Stig, you’re the only one on this site i find amusing or even intelligent enough to be amusing.

most of these naysayers won’t live to see 80.
instead of reading the comics everyday, they read the obituaries for spelling and grammatic errors.

you are a very wise man

peace to you

i gotta get back to work, i’m on a lunch break

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[quote]baretta wrote:
uberswank wrote:
baretta wrote:

jehovasfitness was right, as soon as you add weight it ceases to be “bodyweight”. By your reasoning, deadlifts should be body weight as well. I’ll think you will find no one agreeing with you on this.

No. Bodyweight exercises mean moving your body through a range of motion, with or without added weight, i.e. pullups, dips, pushups, and squats. Non-Bodyweight exercises mean moving an external object through a range of motion, i.e. curls, benchpress, etc. The former is superior.

I always thought bodyweight was using your own bodyweight as the load you are lifting. Why call it bodyweight if you are lifting more. Like i said, is the deadlift a bodyweight exercise?..i dont think so, but by your reasoning it is because you are moving you body up and down through a range of motion. That definition just doesn’t hold up. every excercise is using and external load through a range of motion.[/quote]

Kindergarden Time…
…any type of exercise you can do with out added weight and get a workout from would be considered a bodyweight exercise. The deadlift is generally a non-bodyweight exercise except for the fact that it includes part of a bodyweight exercise in it, “The squat”, its basically a non-bodyweight exercise, but its sorta in the middle

a pull up is a clear cut example of a bodyweight exercise

a bench press is a clear cut example of a non-bodyweight exercise

its basicaly all about the CNS, and moving your body thru space, if your not doing that, its not a bodyweight exercise.

try doing a bench press without weight, can’t be done, its not a bodyweight exercise

try doing a squat without weight, it can be done, its a bodyweight exercise

1st grade is next week

i’m a bastard, but you bring it out

next!

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[quote]baretta wrote:
uberswank wrote:
baretta wrote:

jehovasfitness was right, as soon as you add weight it ceases to be “bodyweight”. By your reasoning, deadlifts should be body weight as well. I’ll think you will find no one agreeing with you on this.

No. Bodyweight exercises mean moving your body through a range of motion, with or without added weight, i.e. pullups, dips, pushups, and squats. Non-Bodyweight exercises mean moving an external object through a range of motion, i.e. curls, benchpress, etc. The former is superior.

I always thought bodyweight was using your own bodyweight as the load you are lifting. Why call it bodyweight if you are lifting more. Like i said, is the deadlift a bodyweight exercise?..i dont think so, but by your reasoning it is because you are moving you body up and down through a range of motion. That definition just doesn’t hold up. every excercise is using and external load through a range of motion.[/quote]

“the deadlift”, is a bodyweight exercise because it includes a bentover squat…its just a lousy bodyweight exercise without some resistance, you would be better of doing a squat for bodyweight exercise, and a bentover row bor a non-bodyweight exercise…if you had no weight to the deadlift

with weight its excellent
it sorta uses both, the squat part is the bodyweight movement

a better defined bodyweight exercise is one without alot of added resistanse to be effective. lipke a dip, or pull up, are some of the front runners.

same goes for non-bodyweight exercises

the better they are, the more resistance you will need to make them effective

bench presses need alot of resistance to be effective

IMHO, the more weight you need to make an exercise effective, the more inferior it is to one that doesn’t need resistance

peace

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But body weight is not counted in the measurement of weight for the given movement. You don’t say “I squat 500 lbs., 325 on the bar + 175 lbs. body weight.”. When you measure the weight moved, you measure whats on the bar. Anything else will get you laughed out of a gym.

Shit, if that were the case- my total would be about 1400 lbs.@ a body weight of 165. That would be nice.

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I loost interest when you "loose"d your balance.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
But body weight is not counted in the measurement of weight for the given movement. You don’t say “I squat 500 lbs., 325 on the bar + 175 lbs. body weight.”. When you measure the weight moved, you measure whats on the bar. Anything else will get you laughed out of a gym.

Shit, if that were the case- my total would be about 1400 lbs.@ a body weight of 165. That would be nice.
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How much bodyweight do you count?

When you squat you cannot count your feet. I think you should only count from above your knees.

When benching obviosly you hav to count your hans and arms.

When chinning you can’t count your hands.

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[quote]Mr. Push Ups wrote:
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IMHO, the more weight you need to make an exercise effective, the more inferior it is to one that doesn’t need resistance

…

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That is why the Olympic lifts are not effective.