[quote]MJW806 wrote:
The guy was 5’10" and could weigh any where from 325-360?!?!?![/quote]
…and back before GH was used like multivitamins. The man was ahead of his time. No one knows what he could have done if he really had the goal of winning an O.[/quote]
^^this statement seems like it’s trying to imply that he wasn’t using a ton of anabolics.[/quote]
I am implying that if it was just about the amounts someone was using, every fucker on the pro stage would be over 300lbs.
This dude was a freak at 17 and already bigger than most here. That doesn’t happen because someone simply started using steroids. That happens because you have some really freaky genetics and would have been a bull no matter what.
Further, this is 2011. If some of you are still acting like you need to exclaim what drugs every pro is using something is wrong.
Yes, steroids are a part of pro bodybuilding. Why this needed attention here is a mystery to me.
Does anyone think him not regularly cutting down and sacrificing for shows gave him a physique advantage in the long run?
I mean if someone like Jay or Ronny focused on getting better and better year round, without the interruption of shows, do you think they would have been better than they were?
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I think that entering shows forces them to take their physiques in directions they might not otherwise have gone in if they’d never competed…
dude was and is a beast no doubt. I would agree the label noncompetetive bodybuilder. Can’t put him on the same level as Shawn Ray, Kevin Levrone, Haney, Coleman and other successful competetive bbers though. Conditioning is obviously a huge part of the sport and he never got into contest condition (maybe one show early 20’s?) so we are missing half the picture.
rofl reading some of these posts made me shit my pants. Vic is NOT a bodybuilder?!!!?111? how the hell would you call a tank of a man walking around at 300 freakin pounds with a chest you could build a house on?
what the hell is bodybuilding if he’s not a bodybuilder? do you have to rub your ass with baby oil and stand on stage if you wanna be one? some of you really need to get a clue. anyone who exercise to gain muscle mass is a bodybuilder, including some skinny kid curling 15 pounders, let alone Vic who can curl that same kid for 500 reps as warmup.
[quote]hanban wrote:
rofl reading some of these posts made me shit my pants. Vic is NOT a bodybuilder?!!!?111? how the hell would you call a tank of a man walking around at 300 freakin pounds with a chest you could build a house on?
what the hell is bodybuilding if he’s not a bodybuilder? do you have to rub your ass with baby oil and stand on stage if you wanna be one? some of you really need to get a clue. anyone who exercise to gain muscle mass is a bodybuilder, including some skinny kid curling 15 pounders, let alone Vic who can curl that same kid for 500 reps as warmup.[/quote]
Right the fuck ON!
You need to post here more often. We need to tip the scales to “sensible” instead of “stupid” - where it seems to be leaning lately around here.
[quote]hanban wrote:
rofl reading some of these posts made me shit my pants. Vic is NOT a bodybuilder?!!!?111? how the hell would you call a tank of a man walking around at 300 freakin pounds with a chest you could build a house on?
what the hell is bodybuilding if he’s not a bodybuilder? do you have to rub your ass with baby oil and stand on stage if you wanna be one? some of you really need to get a clue. anyone who exercise to gain muscle mass is a bodybuilder, including some skinny kid curling 15 pounders, let alone Vic who can curl that same kid for 500 reps as warmup.[/quote]
Right the fuck ON!
You need to post here more often. We need to tip the scales to “sensible” instead of “stupid” - where it seems to be leaning lately around here.[/quote]
thats not what i said and now you are just manipulating stuff up
we are not arguing about semantics here. bodybuilding is not defined by how shiny your oily quads are on stage. bodybuilding by definition is a practice of body modification achieved by creating extreme hyperthrophy.
and by saying a guy like Vic is not a bodybuilder you are missing and probably degrading the whole concept of bodybuilding. and i dont buy crap like “are you a basketball player if you just shooting hoops in your back yard?” thats just a retarded argument. i cant believe i even have to write this. jeez…
thats not what i said and now you are just manipulating stuff up
we are not arguing about semantics here. bodybuilding is not defined by how shiny your oily quads are on stage. bodybuilding by definition is a practice of body modification achieved by creating extreme hyperthrophy. and by saying a guy like Vic is not a bodybuilder you are missing and probably degrading the whole concept of bodybuilding. and i dont buy crap like “are you an basketball player if you just shooting hoops in your back yard?” thats just a retarded argument. i cant believe i even have to write this. jeez…[/quote]
So, powerlifters, and o-lifters, and strongmen and football linemen are all BBers?
thats not what i said and now you are just manipulating stuff up
we are not arguing about semantics here. bodybuilding is not defined by how shiny your oily quads are on stage. bodybuilding by definition is a practice of body modification achieved by creating extreme hyperthrophy. and by saying a guy like Vic is not a bodybuilder you are missing and probably degrading the whole concept of bodybuilding. and i dont buy crap like “are you an basketball player if you just shooting hoops in your back yard?” thats just a retarded argument. i cant believe i even have to write this. jeez…[/quote]
So, powerlifters, and o-lifters, and strongmen and football linemen are all BBers?
I think you are the one degrading the term.[/quote]
you need to read back on what i just wrote. BB is a practice of creating hyperthropy. PL’s and Olifters have a muscle mass as a bi-product of their activities. people who TRAIN FOR MUSCLE GROWTH are bodybuilders. and even so a lineman adding mass or whatever IS a bodybuilder. i dont care he plays football.
[quote]Gettnitdone wrote:
I don’t respect the man at all. Sorry.
He had a talent; the genetics and he obviously had the determination but he didn’t maximize his potential or at least utilize it. He could have been great but he just stood on the side lines.
Yeah its America I know you can do what YOU want but sometimes what you want isn’t whats best for you or isn’t serving you to accomplish “something.”
Ronnie talks about God giving him his gift, like he was put on the planet to be a bodybuilder. The difference between him and Vic? Ronnie’s got the shelf trophies and the influence.
We can only define great men as those who accomplished something greater than themselves and had an impact on society. Its only natural to feel agitated and remorseful at those that could have been great men. [/quote]
Interesting stance considering you have MJ as your avatar. Jordan is often criticized for not ever using his influence to accomplish anything that hasn’t lined his pockets. I’m a Jordan fan, but the man has never used his influence to accomplish “something greater” than himself, and outside of recognition has had zero impact on any societal issue.
thats not what i said and now you are just manipulating stuff up
we are not arguing about semantics here. bodybuilding is not defined by how shiny your oily quads are on stage. bodybuilding by definition is a practice of body modification achieved by creating extreme hyperthrophy. and by saying a guy like Vic is not a bodybuilder you are missing and probably degrading the whole concept of bodybuilding. and i dont buy crap like “are you an basketball player if you just shooting hoops in your back yard?” thats just a retarded argument. i cant believe i even have to write this. jeez…[/quote]
So, powerlifters, and o-lifters, and strongmen and football linemen are all BBers?
I think you are the one degrading the term.[/quote]
you need to read back on what i just wrote. BB is a practice of creating hyperthropy. PL’s and Olifters have a muscle mass as a bi-product of their activities. people who TRAIN FOR MUSCLE GROWTH are bodybuilders. and even so a lineman adding mass or whatever IS a bodybuilder. i dont care he plays football.
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Most do hypertrophy work for the express purpose of building muscle.
thats not what i said and now you are just manipulating stuff up
we are not arguing about semantics here. bodybuilding is not defined by how shiny your oily quads are on stage. bodybuilding by definition is a practice of body modification achieved by creating extreme hyperthrophy. and by saying a guy like Vic is not a bodybuilder you are missing and probably degrading the whole concept of bodybuilding. and i dont buy crap like “are you an basketball player if you just shooting hoops in your back yard?” thats just a retarded argument. i cant believe i even have to write this. jeez…[/quote]
So, powerlifters, and o-lifters, and strongmen and football linemen are all BBers?
I think you are the one degrading the term.[/quote]
you need to read back on what i just wrote. BB is a practice of creating hyperthropy. PL’s and Olifters have a muscle mass as a bi-product of their activities. people who TRAIN FOR MUSCLE GROWTH are bodybuilders. and even so a lineman adding mass or whatever IS a bodybuilder. i dont care he plays football.
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Most do hypertrophy work for the express purpose of building muscle.
Like I said, I think you degrade the term.[/quote]
you just confirmed everything i said so whats the problem?
“Most do hypertrophy work for the express purpose of building muscle”
correct. hance bodybuilding, hance they are bodybuilders when they train to add muscle.
thats not what i said and now you are just manipulating stuff up
we are not arguing about semantics here. bodybuilding is not defined by how shiny your oily quads are on stage. bodybuilding by definition is a practice of body modification achieved by creating extreme hyperthrophy. and by saying a guy like Vic is not a bodybuilder you are missing and probably degrading the whole concept of bodybuilding. and i dont buy crap like “are you an basketball player if you just shooting hoops in your back yard?” thats just a retarded argument. i cant believe i even have to write this. jeez…[/quote]
So, powerlifters, and o-lifters, and strongmen and football linemen are all BBers?
I think you are the one degrading the term.[/quote]
you need to read back on what i just wrote. BB is a practice of creating hyperthropy. PL’s and Olifters have a muscle mass as a bi-product of their activities. people who TRAIN FOR MUSCLE GROWTH are bodybuilders. and even so a lineman adding mass or whatever IS a bodybuilder. i dont care he plays football.
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Most do hypertrophy work for the express purpose of building muscle.
Like I said, I think you degrade the term.[/quote]
you just confirmed everything i said so whats the problem?
“Most do hypertrophy work for the express purpose of building muscle”
correct. bodybuilding, they are bodybuilders when they train to add muscle.
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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Double Duce, do you think powerlifters, olifters and strongmen seek to modify their body by creating extreme hypertrophy?
Hey, I’m just going by Hanban’s words here…[/quote]
yes[/quote]
Some do…and they themselves would likely not shun the title of bodybuilder. Shannon Sharpe was an avid fan of bodybuilding and did work to make his muscles bigger for appearance…which means, yes, he was a bodybuilder also.
I am not understanding why you would try so hard to avoid calling someone by that title.
You know it when you see it.
No, I do not agree that all people lifting for size are bodybuilders…but for fuck sake, if some dude has 20 inch arms or bigger and everyone looking at him starts sentences with “Holy shit”…you would have to be one motivated and biased individual to act like he and others can’t call himself a bodybuilder.
[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Double Duce, do you think powerlifters, olifters and strongmen seek to modify their body by creating extreme hypertrophy?
Hey, I’m just going by Hanban’s words here…[/quote]
yes[/quote]
Some do…and they themselves would likely not shun the title of bodybuilder. Shannon Sharpe was an avid fan of bodybuilding and did work to make his muscles bigger for appearance…which means, yes, he was a bodybuilder also.
I am not understanding why you would try so hard to avoid calling someone by that title.
You know it when you see it.
No, I do not agree that all people lifting for size are bodybuilders…but for fuck sake, if some dude has 20 inch arms or bigger and everyone looking at him starts sentences with “Holy shit”…you would have to be one motivated and biased individual to act like he and others can’t call himself a bodybuilder.[/quote]
I’m not shunning or avoiding it. I just relate the term to competition.
It’s probably in large part because I won’t call myself one, because I don’t feel I live up to it.
