sick thread,
i’m training my vert
got a log up called mike’s journal to 40 inch standing vert
check it out guys
How well does a strict parallel box squat with no rocking translate into jumping? My vertical is low (27-30"). I think it’s because I only do jump training once a week but I want to wait until I have a great base before I do plyometrics and stuff 2-3 times a week. At 170lbs. my best front squat is 280x1 and parallel box squat is 300x7. I’m trying to gain weight and increase my vertical at the same time. Suggestions anybody?
[quote]CoolColJ wrote:
Speed vs acceleration
a little quote from Thomas White
I thought I’d comment on this given my background on both ends of the spectrum. I’ve done BB work and I’ve done Westside style circa-max training. In my opinion the best rep range that I have found is between 5-8 reps with moderate/heavy weights on the squat. I always felt stale when doing Westside type training or trying to gain strength without hypertrophy. I think muscle is a WHOLE lot more important than people realize and getting bigger to a degree should help performance.
I’ve seen those studies that lkh mentioned and it only confirmed what I figured out through trial and error, working with 5-8 reps seemed to always result in jumping and speed increases compared to max effort lifts in the 1-3 range. I am faster at 210-215 than I ever was at 195-200 and I have numerous teammates who have experienced the same thing. Also if you look at Dallas, he ran his best 100m at a bodyweight of 230 or so! Trying to drop down to 200 because Asafa weighs 200 does not guarantee Asafa-like results. I am of the opinion that a speed/power athlete should do everything he can to hypertrophy his glutes, hamstrings, lats and shoulders in the weight room.
I venture to guess that I could continue to improve over 60m all the way up to 230 lbs. or so due to the raw horsepower needed to accelerate. As many of you know I go to a school that is considered a track powerhouse and I can tell you that our 100-200m guys would probably stay away from racing some of our skill players over 40 yards. Look what happened to Jamaal Charles (10.1) at the Combine last year, blown out by heavier, more explosive backs. Muscle is good![/quote]
Here’s the question though… If you look at their muscles through the most highly powered microscopes, is it white or red?
I think the answer is obvious.
you have enough strength to jump 33-34 inches
so, something is hold you back. Maybe poor glute function, tight hip flexors/rectus femoris etc
poor form or a bunch of other things
[quote]leadben wrote:
How well does a strict parallel box squat with no rocking translate into jumping? My vertical is low (27-30"). I think it’s because I only do jump training once a week but I want to wait until I have a great base before I do plyometrics and stuff 2-3 times a week. At 170lbs. my best front squat is 280x1 and parallel box squat is 300x7. I’m trying to gain weight and increase my vertical at the same time. Suggestions anybody?[/quote]
Keep squattin’ and pay attention to your vertical jump after winning a gold medal. It worked well for Pyrros Dimas. The guy has a 60+ inch vertical jump.
[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
leadben wrote:
How well does a strict parallel box squat with no rocking translate into jumping? My vertical is low (27-30"). I think it’s because I only do jump training once a week but I want to wait until I have a great base before I do plyometrics and stuff 2-3 times a week. At 170lbs. my best front squat is 280x1 and parallel box squat is 300x7. I’m trying to gain weight and increase my vertical at the same time. Suggestions anybody?
Keep squattin’ and pay attention to your vertical jump after winning a gold medal. It worked well for Pyrros Dimas. The guy has a 60+ inch vertical jump.[/quote]
You do realize his goal is to improve his vertical and gain weight, not win a gold medal? There is more to improving your vertical than simply squatting. Did it work well for Pyrros Dimas? Was he not a great jumper before he won a gold?
Stop making dumb posts.
And he doesn’t have a 60+ inch vertical btw … probably 50-
[quote]vision1 wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
leadben wrote:
How well does a strict parallel box squat with no rocking translate into jumping? My vertical is low (27-30"). I think it’s because I only do jump training once a week but I want to wait until I have a great base before I do plyometrics and stuff 2-3 times a week. At 170lbs. my best front squat is 280x1 and parallel box squat is 300x7. I’m trying to gain weight and increase my vertical at the same time. Suggestions anybody?
Keep squattin’ and pay attention to your vertical jump after winning a gold medal. It worked well for Pyrros Dimas. The guy has a 60+ inch vertical jump.
You do realize his goal is to improve his vertical and gain weight, not win a gold medal? There is more to improving your vertical than simply squatting. Did it work well for Pyrros Dimas? Was he not a great jumper before he won a gold?
Stop making dumb posts.
And he doesn’t have a 60+ inch vertical btw … probably 50-[/quote]
Please ask CoolJ to calculate Dimas’ vertical jump with the assumption that he can squat 700 pounds ATG (which he can)… and then argue with me.
Dimas has never squatted ass to grass 700 lbs. Send a link please. Not from wikipedia aswell. 1 doubt an 82.5kg lifter can nearly squat the same amount as misha koklyaev (790lbs) who weighs 160 kg plus.
Your proof of a 60+ inch vert is through some calculation? … LOL
No way would CoolJ agree with you.
Dimas doesn’t jump much so I doubt over 45, but I can see 40+ due to strength and explosiveness, raw horsepower
he has short femurs, and long upper body so he is built to squat big weights, but stubby legs means less leverage and speed at extension
Thanks for the feed-back. its a work in progress…
[quote]BIGBOSSTRON wrote:
Dimas has never squatted ass to grass 700 lbs. Send a link please. Not from wikipedia aswell. 1 doubt an 82.5kg lifter can nearly squat the same amount as misha koklyaev (790lbs) who weighs 160 kg plus. [/quote]
dimas throws up 440 on front squat like its a speed squat though…
i dont doubt he was able to hit 720 like they claim, or at least be high 600’s…
some of the ironmind tapes training hall tapes has footage of 69kg lifters putting up 250kg on back squat, ATG.
peace
[quote]OooahhhCANTONA wrote:
www.elitetrack.com/forums/viewthread/8070/
There are videos on their of english sprinter dwain chambers box jumping 62 inches, and also 68! No wonder his start is so good, easily britains best sprinter at the moment. Shame he can’t compete in many races.
Also shows him squatting some big weights like its nothing.[/quote]
The box jump wasn’t from standing and a run up makes a huge difference to how high you can jump. I still see NO ONE (no videos on youtube that I’ve ever seen) do a box jump higher then my bro from ‘standing’. He’s 5’5 and box jumped 150.5cm from stand still.
But anyway Dwain is a ridiculous athlete. Love the guy even with his drugs bust. Amazing talent and a all around BEAST. If you run sub 10 your in a very select group.
Koing
I have a few compensations happening in my lower body that don’t let me squat decent weight.
I can bench press more than I squat out of lack of stabilization, simple example is: I was doing step ups (glute) and I could bring the load up to failure at 9 reps, them I increased the weight only 10 lbs and I just couldn’t move!
I am seeing 2 therapists and dealing with that.
I have used a leg press machine and was able to push some serious weight on that.
Tomorrow I want to start a new training phase to increase VJ and improve athleticism.
My question is: how do I best use a leg press in order to improve my strength but not create any further damage?
[quote]warlock wrote:
I have a few compensations happening in my lower body that don’t let me squat decent weight.
I can bench press more than I squat out of lack of stabilization, simple example is: I was doing step ups (glute) and I could bring the load up to failure at 9 reps, them I increased the weight only 10 lbs and I just couldn’t move!
I am seeing 2 therapists and dealing with that.
I have used a leg press machine and was able to push some serious weight on that.
Tomorrow I want to start a new training phase to increase VJ and improve athleticism.
My question is: how do I best use a leg press in order to improve my strength but not create any further damage?[/quote]
I am not a massive fan of the leg press. However the only time i have used them in a routine is for injury prevention/isolation. I also did them using 1 leg at a time. Maybe give this a shot but carry on squatting aswell.
Another BB’er dunking it
He’s 5’10" 213lbs
He’s natural. Apparently he used to be 130lbs and now has 18.5 inch arms, 26.5 legs and 17 inch calves.
Squats 529lbs 2.5xBW, hmmm wonder if he has a 40 inch vert? 
if the rim is legit, his head gets quite a bit above the 8.5 net
Thanks CoolColJ. I feel inspired now
Talking of Body builders dunking.
what do you think Tom Platz vertical was.
500lbs for 20 reps.
what does that equal?
[quote]BIGBOSSTRON wrote:
Talking of Body builders dunking.
what do you think Tom Platz vertical was.
500lbs for 20 reps.
what does that equal?[/quote]
38.76 Inches
hey coolj have you had any experience with ballers coming to you to train after a meniscus arthroscopy…my dr. says no more squats but he would say that even if i was healthy…brandon roy had the surgery before last year and he is playing but i want to squat…your thoughts would be great