Hey all, good tips from those who offered their advice. I’m starting the V-diet today, complete with Metabolic Drive, flax seeds, salmon oil caps, Maximum Strength HOT-ROX, TRIBEX, Methoxy-7, creatine, and Surge for post-workout (lifting 3 x per week, total body routine). My stats are: HT = 5’10", BW = 232lb, BF = 18.3% (DEXA), Waist = 36".
Basically following the exact routine as Shugart and incorporating lots of green tea and I’ll try the spinach suggestion. Not a huge fan of spinach, any preparation suggestions to make it more palatable?
Another question, do you guys lay off diet pop during this time because we are getting a ton of caffeine from HOT-ROX and green tea? I’m not a huge diet pop drinker, but enjoy a 12oz can about once per day.
[quote]xhad wrote:
Hey all, good tips from those who offered their advice. I’m starting the V-diet today, complete with Metabolic Drive, flax seeds, salmon oil caps, Maximum Strength HOT-ROX, TRIBEX, Methoxy-7, creatine, and Surge for post-workout (lifting 3 x per week, total body routine). My stats are: HT = 5’10", BW = 232lb, BF = 18.3% (DEXA), Waist = 36".
Basically following the exact routine as Shugart and incorporating lots of green tea and I’ll try the spinach suggestion. Not a huge fan of spinach, any preparation suggestions to make it more palatable?
Another question, do you guys lay off diet pop during this time because we are getting a ton of caffeine from HOT-ROX and green tea? I’m not a huge diet pop drinker, but enjoy a 12oz can about once per day.
Thanks for any help and wish me luck.[/quote]
I never drink soda normally but I keep a 12-pack of diet soda handy during the diet. 50mg of caffeine won’t do much…
Spinach: Hmmm you can try making it with some splenda maybe?
I just finished my 2nd solid meal of the V-Diet. I went out to a restaraunt and had 2chix breats sandwhiched between portobellow mushrooms and a slew of veggies. My girlfriend insisted on deesert but I made it as painless as possible for me.
2 weeks in and here are the stats:
-Pounds lost = 9
-lost 1 inch around love handle area
-lost 1cm(10mm) off my “love handle pinch” with my calipers(literally pinching the whole “handle”)…that is a HUGE improvement for me.
A couple of reccomendations:
Do NOT go from bulking straight into the V-Diet. Just like there is a transition out phase, I would incorporate a 4-week transition IN phase. It doesn’t necessarily have to be with shakes, but dropping cals gradually will not only start the fat burning process, it will preserve muscle.
My cardio consists of waking up, drinking my first shake, taking 4 HOT-ROX and 2 Methoxy-7 and then doing 45 minutes on my treadmill at 3 mph and 6 incline. I also work as a server which has me on my feet constantly. I just incorporated the morning cardio to make the last 2 weeks work better than they normally would as a result of the adaptation the body goes through.
[quote]thelaw12186 wrote:
My bottle of HOT-ROX says Thermogenic HOT-ROX. Will it still be effective and can I use them if they are not Maximum Strength?
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That’s the stuff I used the first few times on the V-Diet. It works fine.
I am using the regular strength HOT-ROX right now and my diet is definitely going great. I wake up, pop 2 pills, go for an hour fasted walk, and come back to enjoy my first shake of the day baby…
[quote]rugby86 wrote:
I am using the regular strength HOT-ROX right now and my diet is definitely going great. I wake up, pop 2 pills, go for an hour fasted walk, and come back to enjoy my first shake of the day baby…[/quote]
Plus for those financially concerned the regular HOT-ROX is a bit cheaper (around $35 or so per bottle).
I felt a tad more amped on max strength; maybe it has more caffeine; who knows how they tweaked it and I’m not going to guess; just state my observation.
I may have to come off the V-Diet way early, unfortunately. I injured my back pretty badly on Saturday when I let my form slip a little on front squats. I thought I had pulled a muscle but it hasn’t gotten any better, so I’m thinking it may be spinal. I’m seeing a chiropractor this afternoon, and I pretty much expect to be told not to lift for a bit. I don’t think I should be on the V-Diet if I’m going to go a week or two without being in the gym, so I guess it will have to wait until later.
I’m a 20 year old female college student that’s about 165 pounds. I believe that my body fat percentage is somewhere around 23% and my goal on the V-Diet is to, basically, drop my bf%. I’m eating 1300 calories on non-workout days and around 1560 on workout days. I’ve got the Surge, Metabolic Drive Protein, and Farenheight instead of HOT-ROX (which supposedly is the same thing but for women).
I’ve been on the V-Diet for 12 days so far. It sucks but my will-power rocks hard so I’m seeing this through. I’ve been doing it almost exactly as Shugart outlined (nutrition-wise, including the oatmeal and fruit “solid meal” once a week) and I expect to see more results then I have already seen although it might not be as much as I would like considering my body fat percentage.
My major worry is the amount of exercise that I am doing on the diet. Along with weight lifting, I am an avid Dance Dance Revolution player.
Okay, stop laughing.
I play constantly (sometimes five days a week) and I will play for a couple of hours on end. If anyone has ever seen a serious player of those games, you know how intense they can be. Anywho, when I play, I play for a long time and I sweat a lot and burn a lot of calories. I’m worried that I’m buring too many calories or working too hard. I won’t stop playing the game but I was wondering if I should, maybe take a scoop of surge afterwards or just leave it alone.
I know I probably should just stop playing for a couple of weeks but I’m such a big dork that I could never do it. Any suggestions would be of great help.
[quote]rugby86 wrote:
I am using the regular strength HOT-ROX right now and my diet is definitely going great. I wake up, pop 2 pills, go for an hour fasted walk, and come back to enjoy my first shake of the day baby…[/quote]
Just for reference, I believe there is 1500mg of the “HOT-ROX” formula in the maximum strength version compared to 950mg in the regular version.
In addition, the maximum strength version recommends 2-4 caps, while regular I believe is 1-2
[quote]Chain Home Low wrote:
To anyone who has done the V-Diet before:
I’m a 20 year old female college student that’s about 165 pounds. I believe that my body fat percentage is somewhere around 23% and my goal on the V-Diet is to, basically, drop my bf%. I’m eating 1300 calories on non-workout days and around 1560 on workout days. I’ve got the Surge, Metabolic Drive Protein, and Farenheight instead of HOT-ROX (which supposedly is the same thing but for women).
I’ve been on the V-Diet for 12 days so far. It sucks but my will-power rocks hard so I’m seeing this through. I’ve been doing it almost exactly as Shugart outlined (nutrition-wise, including the oatmeal and fruit “solid meal” once a week) and I expect to see more results then I have already seen although it might not be as much as I would like considering my body fat percentage.
My major worry is the amount of exercise that I am doing on the diet. Along with weight lifting, I am an avid Dance Dance Revolution player.
Okay, stop laughing.
I play constantly (sometimes five days a week) and I will play for a couple of hours on end. If anyone has ever seen a serious player of those games, you know how intense they can be. Anywho, when I play, I play for a long time and I sweat a lot and burn a lot of calories. I’m worried that I’m buring too many calories or working too hard. I won’t stop playing the game but I was wondering if I should, maybe take a scoop of Surge afterwards or just leave it alone.
I know I probably should just stop playing for a couple of weeks but I’m such a big dork that I could never do it. Any suggestions would be of great help. [/quote]
This is what happens when you’re active and do the V-Diet…
[quote]Chain Home Low wrote:
To anyone who has done the V-Diet before:
I’m a 20 year old female college student that’s about 165 pounds. I believe that my body fat percentage is somewhere around 23% and my goal on the V-Diet is to, basically, drop my bf%. I’m eating 1300 calories on non-workout days and around 1560 on workout days. I’ve got the Surge, Metabolic Drive Protein, and Farenheight instead of HOT-ROX (which supposedly is the same thing but for women).
I’ve been on the V-Diet for 12 days so far. It sucks but my will-power rocks hard so I’m seeing this through. I’ve been doing it almost exactly as Shugart outlined (nutrition-wise, including the oatmeal and fruit “solid meal” once a week) and I expect to see more results then I have already seen although it might not be as much as I would like considering my body fat percentage.
My major worry is the amount of exercise that I am doing on the diet. Along with weight lifting, I am an avid Dance Dance Revolution player.
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I dont know that you need to take Surge after a DDR session, save it for the weight training ones.
[quote]OneEye wrote:
I may have to come off the V-Diet way early, unfortunately. I injured my back pretty badly on Saturday when I let my form slip a little on front squats. I thought I had pulled a muscle but it hasn’t gotten any better, so I’m thinking it may be spinal. I’m seeing a chiropractor this afternoon, and I pretty much expect to be told not to lift for a bit. I don’t think I should be on the V-Diet if I’m going to go a week or two without being in the gym, so I guess it will have to wait until later.[/quote]
Well I was right. It turns out I can’t do any lifting that would load my spine until it clears up (a few weeks). Once I start back, I’m supposed to take it easy (he said start around 40% of what I’m currently doing, load-wise), and slowly build back up. He lifts too, so I trust his opinion on all that. I’m pretty bummed about not cutting up so soon, but I’m much more bummed about not going to the gym for 3-4 weeks or more.
I don’t even know if I’ll be able to do the V-Diet this semester, because in a couple of weeks everything will get crazy, and stay so until graduation (lots of big projects since this is my last semester). I don’t focus very well on very low cals like this, which is why I wanted to get it out of the way now, at the beginning of the semester. Oh well. Shit happens, I guess.
Hmmm…good point. That’s kind of what I was afraid of.
So if the problem is that I’m not getting enough carbohydrates (which I think is the case) should I get more carbs from Surge or from, say, a salad or something? Because I have Surge so it wouldn’t be a problem if that was the case. I think I could eat salad too but it would be harder.
That’s an interesting thread, though. Thanks for pointing it out.
I dont think you quite caught the gist of that post… He was saying that you actually get pretty shredded if you remain active on the V-Diet. It was a GOOD thing when he did it.
I’m going through the V-Diet for the second time. Last March (2005) I did the V-Diet and went from 192 to 175, losing a nice amount of body fat. However, I looked “skinny” according to many people, indicating that I didn’t have as much muscle mass as I had thought.
Over the past year or so, with injuries plaguing my 35-year old body, I put on some fat again. A couple of months ago, my injuries generally cleared up (I still have to be careful) so I went on a bulking diet to see if I could increase my muscle mass. I put on probably somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 pounds.
Fast forward to the middle of January 2006. I went back on the V-Diet weighing 192.6. Yesterday’s weigh-in had me at 182.8 pounds. I would guesstimate, based on how my pants fit, that I’m probably 1-2% above where I was when I finished the V-Diet the first time around. If I lose another couple of pounds, that would put my lean muscle mass gain at somewhere around 4-5 pounds.
I know that doesn’t sound like a lot, but I just wanted to share with everyone my V-Diet experience. It will probably take at least one more bulking/V-Diet cycle to get where I really want to be (5’10", 185 pounds and 8% bodyfat).
I started the V diet on Monday am on day 4 now. I have been basically doing this. I have 8 flax 8 fish oids and 3 shakes by 2pm. One more shake between 2 and 5pm. At 5pm I hit the gym for two hours and drink a Surge. After I am done at the gym instead of drinking more shakes I have a chicken breast and a spinach salad. Maybe a piece of fruit for a snack before bedtime and a shake right before bed. On no training days I do not eat the meal but have a shake instead. I was having trouble with the just shakes on training days because I exert so much energy I am burning more than I am drinking in shakes. I have quit drinking alcohol all together for the time being. It maynot be quite as quick as the all shakes with one cheat meal but I think it will work better for me, and I will be able to keep with it.
Hmmm…good point. That’s kind of what I was afraid of.
So if the problem is that I’m not getting enough carbohydrates (which I think is the case) should I get more carbs from Surge or from, say, a salad or something? Because I have Surge so it wouldn’t be a problem if that was the case. I think I could eat salad too but it would be harder.
That’s an interesting thread, though. Thanks for pointing it out.
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The point of that post was to say eat more carbs. For example when you’re active eat Metabolic Drive bars.
Hi guys im 16, i geuss i have a fair bit of muscle mass at just over 170lbs. I have no idea how much boddy fat i have bt im fairly chubby. I have been on a bulk (was 152lbs but ate alot but i think i put on mostly fat :S)
anyway, do you think its safe for me to start this V-Diet at 16? Im sure some of the vets will have something to say 'bout this lol, also i have picked up an addiction for protein + carb bars [the all in one kind from my local health store] and will find transitioning from eating a few of these a day along with protein high meals a great task, maybe too much for my will power!!
I have already cut my calories down t about 1800 [a big step down from what i was eating to bulk] as the start of my transition phase and am currently doin Meltdown I, haven’t had any effects with this as of yet though :(. As im at school aswell i will find it hard to do the cardio in the mornings. At school thoug we do do XC about twice a week. Don’t know if this makes a difference. Any help will be much appreciated. Cheers, c.j