Utterly Disgusted...

Nutrition
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[quote]HogLover wrote:
Today I had:

Breakfast (6 a.m.)

  • 2 pancakes
  • Butter and syrup
  • 3 slices bacon
  • Diet Soda

Lunch

  • 6 inch Tuna sub on Honey Oat bread
  • Baked Sour Cream and Onion Lays
  • Diet Soda[/quote]

I believe I counted 10 positive, motivational, supportive posts- the kind of advice I would normally give and you start off day #2 with pancakes,butter,syrup,sub sandwich and chips.
Not a single good choice among them!
Perhaps the name “Hoglover” has nothing to do with Razorbacks football.
Certainly, you can do better.

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You could try a hard-core diet. I found it was much easier for me to exercise self control w/r/t food after I had done a hard-core low-carb diet for a month – even after I came off of it. I believe Chris Shugart said the same thing about his food cravings after his V-diet experience.

I don’t know why that was the case, but it was – maybe it made healthy food seem much better in comparison.

At any rate, it’s been just that much easier since they brought back Grow! bars – I can pretty much staunch any craving by eating one of those.

Hope that helps some.

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[quote]dad4 wrote:
I believe I counted 10 positive, motivational, supportive posts- the kind of advice I would normally give and you start off day #2 with pancakes,butter,syrup,sub sandwich and chips.
Not a single good choice among them!
Perhaps the name “Hoglover” has nothing to do with Razorbacks football.
Certainly, you can do better.
[/quote]

Dad4, changing diet is one of - if not THE - most difficult thing to do.
The gym takes an hour, MAYBE TWO. Changing one’s diet takes TWENTY FOUR HOURS, for days on END, until the habit is in place.
The last thing you need to do is kick someone when they’re down ------

Hog –

Your first day was a great start. I don’t know how big or how small you are, but it’s important to eat enough, too. What you ate, though, looks good – looks a lot like my daily diet, to be honest.

How frequently do you go to the gym?
What do you do there?
Give us some stats, so oneof us can help.

Try doing it for Monday-Friday, and take Saturday and Sunday’off’. (I DONT mean to like, make a bunker of eskimo pies and eat your way out…) … just don’t worry so much about your diet those two days.
Plan what you eat for everyday. (That helps me immensely)
Eat 5-6 meals/day, every 2-3 hours.
Try to cut the soda, first. If you can cut soda (even diet), that’s good. You should try to drink as much water (or green tea, or, IMHO, water with a little bit of regular lemon juice) as possible.

I can only tell you what’s worked for me, and what hasn’t. You might be entirely different.
I’ve found that when I train, my diet naturally follows suit – I don’t want to ‘waste’ my training, so to speak.

I hope this helps, and keep posting, man…you’re taking the first step!!

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ok, the pancake breakfast wasn’t fantastic, but the lunch seemed better- would have been fantastic if you had avoided the chips and eaten some fruit instead.

Here is an example of a breakfast that was healthy but tasted like a treat meal, I ate this after HIIT sprints this morning:

2 pieces wholegrain fruit bread, toasted with a banana squashed on top, a cup of licorice tea [non-caffeinated but tastes great]and, because there wasn’t any protein, a serving of chocolate Low-Carb Grow!.

breakdown - 380 calories, which is on target for me, 63grams carb, 26 gms protein.

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ljakaitis -

Thanks for your suggestions and encouragement. I thought Dad4 was a little harsh but I’ve found that those people are on this site and that’s cool if that’s how they feel about things… Whatever.

See the link here to get an idea of my size.

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=730143&pageNo=0

I’ve been better at working out in the past but as of late I’ve been lifting maybe once a week which I know is way under what I should be doing. Diet seems to be the huge hurdle for me though. I love to workout but I also love to eat. I’ve just got to get better at being disciplined.

[quote]ljakaitis wrote:
Dad4, changing diet is one of - if not THE - most difficult thing to do.
The gym takes an hour, MAYBE TWO. Changing one’s diet takes TWENTY FOUR HOURS, for days on END, until the habit is in place.
The last thing you need to do is kick someone when they’re down ------

Hog –

Your first day was a great start. I don’t know how big or how small you are, but it’s important to eat enough, too. What you ate, though, looks good – looks a lot like my daily diet, to be honest.

How frequently do you go to the gym?
What do you do there?
Give us some stats, so oneof us can help.

Try doing it for Monday-Friday, and take Saturday and Sunday’off’. (I DONT mean to like, make a bunker of eskimo pies and eat your way out…) … just don’t worry so much about your diet those two days.
Plan what you eat for everyday. (That helps me immensely)
Eat 5-6 meals/day, every 2-3 hours.
Try to cut the soda, first. If you can cut soda (even diet), that’s good. You should try to drink as much water (or green tea, or, IMHO, water with a little bit of regular lemon juice) as possible.

I can only tell you what’s worked for me, and what hasn’t. You might be entirely different.
I’ve found that when I train, my diet naturally follows suit – I don’t want to ‘waste’ my training, so to speak.

I hope this helps, and keep posting, man…you’re taking the first step!!

[/quote]

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I think about all of the $$$$ that I have spent on those supplements to supposedly help my body … eating all of that shit will flush that money down the drain!!!

I also picture a guy that has a better body than I do … he’s not eating the pizza and burgers!

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I know just where you come from junk food and other’s are the hardest thing for me to kick I have done some drugs in life that addicts just cant beat and for me it was as simple as saying enough is enough but when it comes to eating man I tell you that is the one thing that stops my diet dead in it’s track’s. It started when I began taking tricyclic anti-d’s about five years ago I am glad that I am on them and would never go back to not using them but it does make it hard when sweets are around. Now I just got to a point where enough is enough so I force myself to eat better so I can make my goal of being 7% BF and when I fall off the wagon I just look at my calorie requirments for the day and adjust with more calorie expenditure usually 20 min cardio is enough it’s a pain but it works.

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This is my first post here and it’s the perfect place for me to do it. I share your love of food, especially the shittiest kind for my body.

Two months ago it occurred to me what a disgusting blob of fat I had become at 5’11" and 252 lbs. I became determined to drop the fat and cut all the crap food out of my life.

This was much easier to say than do since I’ve been really fond of buying a half gallon of ice cream and eating it all at once, or killing an apple pie in one sitting. This is a difficult habit to break, but an idea occurred to me.

I went to the local Safeway and walked to the aisle where they keep the ice cream. I stood there and stared through the frosty glass at all the pints, quarts, half gallons and gallons of that shit and pictured a skull and crossbones in front of each container and reminded myself that I would never go to a Home Depot, buy rat poison and eat it, and for me, this ice cream was rat poison.

I stood there for about 10 minutes, looking like a guy who couldn’t make up his mind as to the flavor he wanted, and then I walked over to the bakery section and did the same thing.

From that evening two months ago I haven’t had the slightest desire to eat that crap. I also started hiking on the weekends, I bought a rowing machine, cut out bread and any sugar from my diet and last week bought an assortment of dumbells and began weight training for the first time in my 46 years.

I’ve dropped 17 pounds so far and am convinced that I can drop another 30-40. If I, being the worst kind of sugar/crap food junkie I’ve ever known can do it, you can too.

Remember, that crap is rat poison to you. I truly hope this will be of help to you.

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[quote]misteranthropic wrote:
This is my first post here and it’s the perfect place for me to do it. I share your love of food, especially the shittiest kind for my body.

Two months ago it occurred to me what a disgusting blob of fat I had become at 5’11" and 252 lbs. I became determined to drop the fat and cut all the crap food out of my life.

This was much easier to say than do since I’ve been really fond of buying a half gallon of ice cream and eating it all at once, or killing an apple pie in one sitting. This is a difficult habit to break, but an idea occurred to me.

I went to the local Safeway and walked to the aisle where they keep the ice cream. I stood there and stared through the frosty glass at all the pints, quarts, half gallons and gallons of that shit and pictured a skull and crossbones in front of each container and reminded myself that I would never go to a Home Depot, buy rat poison and eat it, and for me, this ice cream was rat poison.

I stood there for about 10 minutes, looking like a guy who couldn’t make up his mind as to the flavor he wanted, and then I walked over to the bakery section and did the same thing.

From that evening two months ago I haven’t had the slightest desire to eat that crap. I also started hiking on the weekends, I bought a rowing machine, cut out bread and any sugar from my diet and last week bought an assortment of dumbells and began weight training for the first time in my 46 years.

I’ve dropped 17 pounds so far and am convinced that I can drop another 30-40. If I, being the worst kind of sugar/crap food junkie I’ve ever known can do it, you can too.

Remember, that crap is rat poison to you. I truly hope this will be of help to you.[/quote]

Very inspirational. Good Luck and Keep up the good work. With your attitude and a lot of hard work, you will accomplish your goals.

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One of the things that helped me the greatest to a better diet has been sleep and eating a big breakfast. I read a study listed on CNN (not best source I know) saying that people’s desire for sweets and junk carbs increase with a decrease in sleep. Why that is, i dont really know. I feel like every time I get lousy sleep I eat lousy. My will power goes out the window. I know for myself anyway, without sleep, I really cannot eat well.

Second a good breakfast. I’m not talking about one of those tiny oatmeal and 7g of protein ones like you see on TV now. Anybody else laugh when they saw that? Anyway, like this morning I had 4 eggs, 3 pieces of sausage, and 2 pieces of toast. Greasy? Sure. Buttery? Of course. But will I be hungry for the rest of the day? Probably not.

When I have no hunger pains at all, I have no desire to snack out on potato chicks or what not. One of the recent articles on T-Nation also suggested this same thing with a large breakfast, medium meals in the middle and a small dinner. You always have the rest of the day to burn up what you ate in the morning.

-T

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[quote]misteranthropic wrote:
This is my first post here and it’s the perfect place for me to do it. I share your love of food, especially the shittiest kind for my body.

Two months ago it occurred to me what a disgusting blob of fat I had become at 5’11" and 252 lbs. I became determined to drop the fat and cut all the crap food out of my life.

This was much easier to say than do since I’ve been really fond of buying a half gallon of ice cream and eating it all at once, or killing an apple pie in one sitting. This is a difficult habit to break, but an idea occurred to me.

I went to the local Safeway and walked to the aisle where they keep the ice cream. I stood there and stared through the frosty glass at all the pints, quarts, half gallons and gallons of that shit and pictured a skull and crossbones in front of each container and reminded myself that I would never go to a Home Depot, buy rat poison and eat it, and for me, this ice cream was rat poison.

I stood there for about 10 minutes, looking like a guy who couldn’t make up his mind as to the flavor he wanted, and then I walked over to the bakery section and did the same thing.

From that evening two months ago I haven’t had the slightest desire to eat that crap. I also started hiking on the weekends, I bought a rowing machine, cut out bread and any sugar from my diet and last week bought an assortment of dumbells and began weight training for the first time in my 46 years.

I’ve dropped 17 pounds so far and am convinced that I can drop another 30-40. If I, being the worst kind of sugar/crap food junkie I’ve ever known can do it, you can too.

Remember, that crap is rat poison to you. I truly hope this will be of help to you.[/quote]

Very inspirational indeed. Keep it up.

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Misteranthropic, great story … same thing happened to me. I just couldn’t stand how I looked any longer, and realised I was wasting the best years of my life being fat, out of shape, and abusing my body.

So I woke up, and changed. Something in me just snapped, and I pulled my shit together. I think the same thing happened to you … and it feels good, for once, to be in control.

Hog, try for one perfect day. I think another poster talked about this; if you can get one good day under your belt, try to get it to two days. Then three, then four, then a week (M-F).
When you make the decision to change your habits, then we will all help/support you. T-Nation is full of diet plans … all of the tools necessary to succeed are right here for you to get going, but not one plan can run on a treadmill or lift a barbell for you. That’s /your/ choice.

Keep yourself accountable. PM me if you want to work on your diet (I just set something up with my boyfriend), or if you need help.

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Misanthropic,

That is funny that you do that because I do the same thing twice a week! Whenever I walk to the market to pick up my supplies for the next few days I spend a good 10 minutes staring at all the delicious looking baked goods. I pick up one, imagine what it would taste like, and move on to the next.

For some wierd reason, this makes me even more motivated to stay focused on my goals- I don’t “run away” from the bad food, I look at it, realize it would be awesome to destroy an entire pound cake in one sitting, but then realize it would be even more awesome to have ripped abs and a 35" vertical leap. While I’m browsing in the bakery section, I reflect on my training week, if I did really well (set a new bench/squat/dead PR), I’ll buy myself one of the single-serving danishes and eat it for breakfast.

I think the point I am trying to make is to just “think before you eat.” Obviously some of that food is terrible for you tastes incredible, but just weigh the risks vs the rewards- the rewards will almost always win!

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[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
I’ll give you one tip real quick:

Find a “silver bullet” food. That is, find something that is healthy AND you love to eat. For me this is canned chicken. Call me weird but I freaking love canned chicken. No carbs, 25grams of protein and 2.5 grams of fat. I used to pound down 4 of them in a day before my taste buds adjusted to healthier food.

The bottom line is, try to find at least one food that is healthy and delicious and start replacing the pizza and ice cream with that. Soon you will have two or three meals that you love. The bottom line is that your tastebuds have been conditioned to like shitty food for so long, you are just going to have to wean yourself of that. It’s not going to be easy but think of the results you will get![/quote]

HA…I eat a can of chicken for breakfast almost everyday. A tip for the OP: Carry some munchies around with you at all times. Ive been carrying almonds and apples around and its worked wonders. If you let yourself get too hungry, pizza will inevitably follow.

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This is a great topic. Eating has been, at times, my strongest point and at times my weakest. As I’ve gotten older I find it much harder to eat really well as I did in college and just after. I think there are just more responsibilities gettting in the way of having or preparing good food and I haven’t adopted a good strategy to prep food for the week.

To compensate, I do more conditioning and simply care less, or pretend to care less, about how I look. I am focused on BJJ training but I’d like to look better. At the end of the day it is only when I get sort of disgusted with myself that I get motivated to focus on diet.

Like the coach in ‘Dodge Ball’ said, as he wacked the guy in the nuts,
“YOU GOTTA GET ANGRY!!!”

It is such a challenge cause I’m a carb craver and I have don’t plan ahead.

I’m not obese or anything but I just find it tough to eat just right. The anger fades and so does the motivation and I end up taking a few steps back. Not sure what the solution is, but I do know that getting pissed can be a strong initial motivator and can bring great results. Beyond that, you need to love the behaviors that make you lean, perform better and whatever.

And not just love the outcome. I think charles has talked about this. Luckily, I love exercise and I love training BJJ. I’m not obsessed with the outcomes, I love the behavior, so I do it.
Now with food. I love food. So I eat crap more than I should. I just don’t love eating healthy. So I don’t enjoy preparing good food and planning a good week’s worth of meals. So I get on kicks but they are short lived. Oh well, maybe someday I’ll get angry really long term or I’ll start to love eating good foods. Until then, my appearance will fluctuate.

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[quote]ljakaitis wrote:
dad4 wrote:
I believe I counted 10 positive, motivational, supportive posts- the kind of advice I would normally give and you start off day #2 with pancakes,butter,syrup,sub sandwich and chips.
Not a single good choice among them!
Perhaps the name “Hoglover” has nothing to do with Razorbacks football.
Certainly, you can do better.

Dad4, changing diet is one of - if not THE - most difficult thing to do.
The gym takes an hour, MAYBE TWO. Changing one’s diet takes TWENTY FOUR HOURS, for days on END, until the habit is in place.
The last thing you need to do is kick someone when they’re down ------

Hog –

Your first day was a great start. I don’t know how big or how small you are, but it’s important to eat enough, too. What you ate, though, looks good – looks a lot like my daily diet, to be honest.

How frequently do you go to the gym?
What do you do there?
Give us some stats, so oneof us can help.

Try doing it for Monday-Friday, and take Saturday and Sunday’off’. (I DONT mean to like, make a bunker of eskimo pies and eat your way out…) … just don’t worry so much about your diet those two days.
Plan what you eat for everyday. (That helps me immensely)
Eat 5-6 meals/day, every 2-3 hours.
Try to cut the soda, first. If you can cut soda (even diet), that’s good. You should try to drink as much water (or green tea, or, IMHO, water with a little bit of regular lemon juice) as possible.

I can only tell you what’s worked for me, and what hasn’t. You might be entirely different.
I’ve found that when I train, my diet naturally follows suit – I don’t want to ‘waste’ my training, so to speak.

I hope this helps, and keep posting, man…you’re taking the first step!!

[/quote]
I prefer not to kick someone when they’re standing, much less when they are down.
As I stated, my normal advice would be somewhere along the lines of the previous posts- a course of action along with some motivational words.
However, I am not a coddler, especially if the subject is an adult.
Different people are motivated different ways. My thinking was if all that sound advice and encouragement garnered only one decent day out of Hoglover, then someone needed to be more direct!
Hoglover, do you have kids?
Do you expect them to make good decisions?
I educate my kids (like so many readers did for you) on right from wrong and send them off to school every day expecting them to make the right decisions regarding some very important and difficult issues- smoking, drugs, sex,etc.
Your decisions regarding food choices are comparatively easy.
Set your standards higher and hold yourself accountable for your choices.

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Just wanted to share my solution.

The first thing I always do when I get up in the morning is take a shower–without it, I just can’t wake up. In order to change my diet, and avoid a sit down, traditional (see also: fattening) breakfast, I took some inspiration from the book of Kramer and forced myself to take food into the shower with me, first thing.

Of course, still being a zombie at that point in the morning, the only things I can possibly manage to bring into the shower and get into my mouth with any certainty of success are ready-to-eat items such as fruit, a bottle water, and small containers of yogurt that I keep stocked in my fridge.

By the time I get out of my shower (which now take longer, thanks in part to my multitasking), my hunger has started to subside and I’m already feeling good about eating right, so it’s that much easier for me to keep the momentum up throughout the rest of day. And whatever hunger I’ve got left is dispelled with a bowl of cottage cheese or oatmeal and more water.

The next thing I did with my regime was to pack a lunch the night before with everything I’d need before dinner so I wouldn’t have to go out and buy food. The added bonus of carrying a bag lunch is that I can pretty much eat at any point I want and I don’t ever have to wait until I’m starved before getting something in me (which invariably, is always too much at the point you start feeling full again).

In the beginning, even when felt like I could skip one of my “meals”, I forced myself to eat it anyways. As a result, the cravings that I used to have for cheeseburgers, pizza, etc. have all started to disappear because my body is never trying to quickly makeup for the deficit that used to build up in the long periods between 3 regular daily meals.

In a sense, forcing myself to eat 5 or 6 times a day alone cleaned up much, if not all, of my diet, just because I had to prepare my food beforehand and take it with me and my body was never running out of material to burn, which would cause it to start putting evil, lusty thoughts about yummy high-calorie foods into my head.

Hope I helped.

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my experience:

ive lost 66pounds of fat over about a year and half.

i started by changing one little thing every so often. eg: all drinks became water. i stuck with that till i got used to it.
next, i dropped all sugar from my diet.
then started 5-6 small meals a day.

etc etc

also, i was initially eating great during the day but still had cravings at night. so…
i would eat dinner. go for a walk. have a tea to keep my tummy feeling full. then brush my teeth.

i never wanted to eat after brushing my teeth. then straight to bed.

i slowly developed good habits and kept finding ways to improve my diet. now i eat very clean and its a habit and surprisingly, i love eating clean and feeling and looking good.

baby steps

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Hi Hoglover!! This is what helped me to clean up my diet…start with one thing at a time. I started three years ago. Try eliminating one or two ‘bad foods’ at a time. I started with white flour and sugar. The hard thing is from childhood we are spoon feed these things and we become basically addicted.

Stop beating yourself up. You will just feel more stressed and crave the foods you are trying to avoid. Eventually you will be at a place where you don’t feel deprived but empowered by your food choices.

Lastly, maybe it will help you to have a ‘food plan’. Think about what you will eat each day and plan ahead. I know this helps me. I’m in my car ALOT and try to have healthly foods with me. Homemade protein bars are great for this. I’ll PM you a recipe.

Good Luck!

AG

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[quote]HogLover wrote:
ljakaitis -

Thanks for your suggestions and encouragement. I thought Dad4 was a little harsh but I’ve found that those people are on this site and that’s cool if that’s how they feel about things… Whatever.

See the link here to get an idea of my size.

http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=730143&pageNo=0

I’ve been better at working out in the past but as of late I’ve been lifting maybe once a week which I know is way under what I should be doing. Diet seems to be the huge hurdle for me though. I love to workout but I also love to eat. I’ve just got to get better at being disciplined.

ljakaitis wrote:
Dad4, changing diet is one of - if not THE - most difficult thing to do.
The gym takes an hour, MAYBE TWO. Changing one’s diet takes TWENTY FOUR HOURS, for days on END, until the habit is in place.
The last thing you need to do is kick someone when they’re down ------

Hog –

Your first day was a great start. I don’t know how big or how small you are, but it’s important to eat enough, too. What you ate, though, looks good – looks a lot like my daily diet, to be honest.

How frequently do you go to the gym?
What do you do there?
Give us some stats, so oneof us can help.

Try doing it for Monday-Friday, and take Saturday and Sunday’off’. (I DONT mean to like, make a bunker of eskimo pies and eat your way out…) … just don’t worry so much about your diet those two days.
Plan what you eat for everyday. (That helps me immensely)
Eat 5-6 meals/day, every 2-3 hours.
Try to cut the soda, first. If you can cut soda (even diet), that’s good. You should try to drink as much water (or green tea, or, IMHO, water with a little bit of regular lemon juice) as possible.

I can only tell you what’s worked for me, and what hasn’t. You might be entirely different.
I’ve found that when I train, my diet naturally follows suit – I don’t want to ‘waste’ my training, so to speak.

I hope this helps, and keep posting, man…you’re taking the first step!!

[/quote]

Actually,
I think dad4 gave some good advice. If you girls think that was a ‘kick while someone is down’ please don’t venture south to the poli forum.
It doesn’t hurt to both be coddled and strapped when going through a transition such as this.

Quite frankly, dad was right on in his assessment.

I wish you well hog, this is a major transition and you will need much positive and critical feedback. You should take each with the same thought process and analyze the info therein. Everyone has a different way about them, but most are here to help.

Now me, I’m a bit of a hard-ass, but I’m pretty fair. At least I think so. Some great advice has been given by all.

Create goals
start small
don’t punish for failures
always keep looking forward–eye on the prize buddy
and remember you have an entire Nation in your corner.