I was hoping to see a man wrestle a full grown steer to the ground. I’m sure it takes a certain level of Fighter’s Fortitude to play that sport, but I haven’t seen enough to have much of an opinion.
It’s probably harder than being a defensive tackle, and that’s usually a good base of goon.
This was nothing more than a stunt in terms of fighting, typical Eddy, but even as a stunt. The way he power bombed that first guy was awesome and then to top it off the guy gets up and runs into a hay maker. Quality
Seems like ambushing a dwarf cow more than wrestling a steer. That sure wasn’t Bodacious.
I would watch a feature-length documentary explaining all of the decisions that went into making that short video.
So two things:
Ok three things. Some of the funniest videos you can find are people trying to wrestle or lasso white tail deer, maybe weighing somewhere between 130-200 lbs on the large end. Half or less of even a small steer. Absolutely hilarious.
I spent a lot of time on farms as a kid. I was in VoAg in high school (FFA, future farmers of America). I am not scared of animals, even larger ones like horses and cows. Had I grown up in cowboy country, there is a good chance I would have tried it. I would also have been long dead.
If you think a man’s forearm on your face or throat is rude you are probably not cut out for livestock wresting.
PETA has also made it a lot tougher to break into the sport when they made sure I wasn’t allowed back into the petting zoo.
You didn’t have to turn it into a heavy petting zoo.
Smashing your forearm into someone’s face, probably someone smaller, while training to get a tap that won’t even get you a cookie, is not rude but cowardly. This is a training partner not some stranger assaulting you in your home.
If you saw someone your size doing that to a 110 pound female while training, you would be ok with it?
Anyway, I’ve trained with guys who try that goon shit and after the first heel hook they turn into cowards. I’m not a lightweight nor am I weak, but I don’t do goon or bully moves on smaller and weaker training partners because they only work on smaller, weaker people. People who I could beat without bjj. And if you do use those moves you don’t smash someone in the face and then use all of your weight. You need to recognize size difference and skill levels.
Again, forearms to the face are a standard part of grappling as I’ve learned it. I could explain why, but this isn’t a thread to discuss grappling techniques.
Yes, absolutely. I was always the strongest man on the mats at every mat I’ve trained on. I was often the largest as well. I was given specific instructions by my coach and his coach to never hold back pressure on any person with a colored belt. One female 3 stripe white belt in her late 30’s at the time also felt insulted when I clearly held back with pressure. I apologized to her and continued training.
I don’t expect females I train with at an actual Brazilian Jiu Jitsu school to be any less interested in learning how to defend themselves than a man on the same mats. I don’t disrespect them with kid glove treatment just because they are smaller and weaker than I am. I embrace the healthy notion that I present a valuable training opportunity to people with the same goals I have.
That is an actual BJJ school, however. They have not lost the plot. If the goal is to prepare the students for violence, an unusually strong and large man presents a valuable training opportunity. Learning how to endure pressure is a vital element of becoming a competent grappler, no matter your size, strength or sex. Putting everything together to have success against someone much larger and stronger than you is the entire point. Those successes are not just getting a tap, but making an escape, stuffing a submission, improving your position, or even just riding out some really nasty pressure without tapping to make it stop.
I understand that there are schools with different goals for the students. Many people prefer their training to be oriented around fitness and enjoyment. I don’t have a problem with that, but I do have a problem with false advertising when these places advertise themselves as teaching Brazilian Jiu Jitsu, which is a robust self-defense skillset.
I feel as though you don’t understand the subject of this thread and I wonder why you are even participating in the discussion.
Dropping a forearm to the face isn’t.
And what do you get out of that? Does it make you better prepared to fight anyone other than a smaller woman? What does she get out of it? Does it improve her skill? The answer is no. Skill improves when you can execute a technique properly. I can roll with a white belt and if I don’t let him complete a technique, he won’t complete it no matter how well he does it. I can see it coming and I know how to stop it. If I just shut him down, he will never learn how to do the technique. Would a little league player improve his hitting if he were pitched 100mph fast balls? Or crazy curve balls from a major leaguer?
A smaller woman white belt should not be able to escape from you no matter what she does. If you don’t let her escape, how is she going to train the technique? The mistake you’re making is thinking that by doing bjj, backed up by superior skill and size, is preparing her to face some untrained person in the real world.
My teacher is Royce Gracie, but what would he know.
I do understand the subject and you’ve posted here long enough to know that threads end up discussing things that are tangentially related. When someone brings up training, I think it’s appropriate to discuss how training and reality are different and how one prepares you for the other.
If you have a problem with what I’m describing, I suggest you take it up with the head instructor and all of the people you seem to believe are being mistreated under his guidance. The culture and ideas flow from him.
Here are images of normal training at a BJJ school. I don’t think you would fit in very well. Smothers, forearms to the face, knees to the neck, always trying to bring the pressure, neck and spine cranks, all part of grappling.
The man had shirts printed up to remind people how to deal with pressure. FIX YOUR FACE.
Never said this.
You seem more upset than the person i was sparring with, who was a BJJ practitioner.
I think this plays into the category of “cant get a rear naked, just crank their face/head”
Maybe I’m misunderstanding what you meant by smashing against. Smash, to me, implies impact like a blow or strike.
I don’t have a problem with it because I have the technical ability, and I’m not a featherweight, to deal with it. And like I said, a heel hook is enough to calm a spaz down.
If you neck crank a smaller woman in order to get her to tap, it’s a cheap move and you aren’t very good. I don’t train in order to beat girls. When I train with females or children, I almost never make them tap. I don’t offer full resistance either. The only way they will develop confidence in the moves is if they see them working. As they get better, I make it harder.
In Judo, it’s frowned upon for a bigger person to use makikomo on a smaller one. But if bullying and tapping smaller, less technical training partners (or are they considered opponents?) makes someone happy, so be it. But in many schools there is karma.
It doesn’t sound to me like you’ve ever rolled or know what rolling is. If you’d like to find out, go to the school mentioned on that instagram page. First class is always free.
The instagram guy is an amateur photography enthusiast with lots of good footage of rolling in all kinds of situations at all kinds of paces. There’s a time for pressure and there’s a time for just fucking around and you can see all of it in the footage he documents.
I encourage you to show Royce this footage at your next class and ask him if you should intervene.
I thought this was applicable.
So did @T3hPwnisher when he cast Raise Dead on this two year old thread.