Also, The Patriot (Isaiah Bradley’s grandson [photo]13760[/photo])
…gained his powers recently by taking Mutant Growth Hormone, so they don’t seem to be avoiding that issue.
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
kevinm1 wrote:
Qaash wrote:
WHAT???!!!
marvel’s afraid people will take juice so they’re now claiming that Cap never needed the serum it was all plecebo and the “core” excerises that the doctor invented turned him into the living legend of WWII. Marvel forgot to mention he was small and sickly due to not earting in the 20’s depression and may have had heart problems, we marvel zombies are stupid and will buy whatever marvel puts out
Actually, I haven’t seen any change in the Cap story line like that. MVP was a different character, a kid (MVP were literally the initials in his real name). He was extremely good at ALL sports so they ASSUMED that he had taken the same formula. MVP turned out to just be extremely genetically gifted, something they didn’t find out until his death (he had a hole blown through his head by another mutant with an alien gun attached to her arm).
I don’t see how that affects the Cap story line at all.
In the Inititive Annual they do the an origin for the current characters like Gauntlet, and during MVP’s origin they make a mention of it. The book also specifically mentions Cap saying he didn’t need the ss serum.[/quote]
Now I have to buy the initiative books again…dammit!!!
[quote]buffd_samurai wrote:
Thor, as he should have been realized in the comics as.[/quote]
I think its pretty fucked up that you would post the Thor pics and not tell anybody, Samurai. Real fucked up.
The Hulk clips look amazing. I’m seeing that on the first day. Also, here’s an oldie but a goodie.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, The Patriot (Isaiah Bradley’s grandson [photo]13760[/photo])
…gained his powers recently by taking Mutant Growth Hormone, so they don’t seem too opposed to avoiding that issue.[/quote]
Yeah but they used them in an evil light, and that was because the writer claimed he bacame “addicted” to gear so he wrote the story. The Patriot is then shot and given a transfusion by Cap and he becomes a super soldier. Sadly Marvel’s writers aren’t keeping continuity as close as the 60’s, 70’s, or 80’s.
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Also, The Patriot (Isaiah Bradley’s grandson [photo]13760[/photo])
…gained his powers recently by taking Mutant Growth Hormone, so they don’t seem too opposed to avoiding that issue.
Yeah but they used them in an evil light, and that was because the writer claimed he bacame “addicted” to gear so he wrote the story. The Patriot is then shot and given a transfusion by Cap and he becomes a super soldier. Sadly Marvel’s writers aren’t keeping continuity as close as the 60’s, 70’s, or 80’s.
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No argument there, but I think it is a reach to assume that they are going to erase the fact that Cap was given the super soldier serum regardless of how they portray these issues with other characters.
Comic Books have always been huge anti-drug messages. The “Just Say No” campaign was riddled through-out any comic written in the 80’s.
There is actually MUCH less of that now.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, The Patriot (Isaiah Bradley’s grandson [photo]13760[/photo])
…gained his powers recently by taking Mutant Growth Hormone, so they don’t seem too opposed to avoiding that issue.[/quote]
You forgot Josiah X
[quote]Professor X wrote:
kevinm1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Also, The Patriot (Isaiah Bradley’s grandson [photo]13760[/photo])
…gained his powers recently by taking Mutant Growth Hormone, so they don’t seem too opposed to avoiding that issue.
Yeah but they used them in an evil light, and that was because the writer claimed he bacame “addicted” to gear so he wrote the story. The Patriot is then shot and given a transfusion by Cap and he becomes a super soldier. Sadly Marvel’s writers aren’t keeping continuity as close as the 60’s, 70’s, or 80’s.
No argument there, but I think it is a reach to assume that they are going to erase the fact that Cap was given the super soldier serum regardless of how they portray these issues with other characters.
Comic Books have always been huge anti-drug messages. The “Just Say No” campaign was riddled through-out any comic written in the 80’s.
There is actually MUCH less of that now.
That Super-soldier serum is now to important to too many other characters that Marvel has created to act like it didn’t happen. It is the entire reason Banner worked so hard on that project to find a cure for himself with the Avengers.[/quote]
So they’re trying to erase the fact that the SS Serum was used. Dude, the serum would mean nothing if Steve Rogers didn’t train and put in the hard work. He can drink all the serums he wants, a bullet to the cranium will end him.
[quote]WolBarret wrote:
So they’re trying to erase the fact that the SS Serum was used. Dude, the serum would mean nothing if Steve Rogers didn’t train and put in the hard work. He can drink all the serums he wants, a bullet to the cranium will end him. [/quote]
That’s the point, I haven’t seen anywhere where they’ve stated that it was not used. Through the character MVP (also shot in the head), they are trying to claim that some people are just genetically pre-disposed to being able to do almost what Cap can do. They still used the serum on him though.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
kevinm1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Also, The Patriot (Isaiah Bradley’s grandson [photo]13760[/photo])
…gained his powers recently by taking Mutant Growth Hormone, so they don’t seem too opposed to avoiding that issue.
Yeah but they used them in an evil light, and that was because the writer claimed he bacame “addicted” to gear so he wrote the story. The Patriot is then shot and given a transfusion by Cap and he becomes a super soldier. Sadly Marvel’s writers aren’t keeping continuity as close as the 60’s, 70’s, or 80’s.
No argument there, but I think it is a reach to assume that they are going to erase the fact that Cap was given the super soldier serum regardless of how they portray these issues with other characters.
Comic Books have always been huge anti-drug messages. The “Just Say No” campaign was riddled through-out any comic written in the 80’s.
There is actually MUCH less of that now.[/quote]
No wonder they called him Speedy
[quote]Professor X wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
So they’re trying to erase the fact that the SS Serum was used. Dude, the serum would mean nothing if Steve Rogers didn’t train and put in the hard work. He can drink all the serums he wants, a bullet to the cranium will end him.
That’s the point, I haven’t seen anywhere where they’ve stated that it was not used. Through the character MVP (also shot in the head), they are trying to claim that some people are just genetically pre-disposed to being able to do almost what Cap can do. They still used the serum on him though.[/quote]
It’s in the annual
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
So they’re trying to erase the fact that the SS Serum was used. Dude, the serum would mean nothing if Steve Rogers didn’t train and put in the hard work. He can drink all the serums he wants, a bullet to the cranium will end him.
That’s the point, I haven’t seen anywhere where they’ve stated that it was not used. Through the character MVP (also shot in the head), they are trying to claim that some people are just genetically pre-disposed to being able to do almost what Cap can do. They still used the serum on him though.
It’s in the annual[/quote]
But are they claiming it was never used?
The entire soryline of why he even joined the military is based on what he was before the use of that serum.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
kevinm1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
So they’re trying to erase the fact that the SS Serum was used. Dude, the serum would mean nothing if Steve Rogers didn’t train and put in the hard work. He can drink all the serums he wants, a bullet to the cranium will end him.
That’s the point, I haven’t seen anywhere where they’ve stated that it was not used. Through the character MVP (also shot in the head), they are trying to claim that some people are just genetically pre-disposed to being able to do almost what Cap can do. They still used the serum on him though.
It’s in the annual
But are they claiming it was never used?
The entire soryline of why he even joined the military is based on what he was before the use of that serum.
[/quote]
I know I think Marvel is trying to shy away from the stigma of the serum. They tocuhed on it a little in Streets of Poison, and in the “robo cap” storyline when the serum degenerated and the skull gave him a transfusion
Geez-Louise a lot of people have used the serum
Protocide
Cap
Isiah
Cold War Cap and Bucky (The Grand Director and Nomad)
The Red Skull (in the cloned body of Cap)
The Patriot(in a transfusion)
Marvel has a lot of 'splainin to do
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
kevinm1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
So they’re trying to erase the fact that the SS Serum was used. Dude, the serum would mean nothing if Steve Rogers didn’t train and put in the hard work. He can drink all the serums he wants, a bullet to the cranium will end him.
That’s the point, I haven’t seen anywhere where they’ve stated that it was not used. Through the character MVP (also shot in the head), they are trying to claim that some people are just genetically pre-disposed to being able to do almost what Cap can do. They still used the serum on him though.
It’s in the annual
But are they claiming it was never used?
The entire soryline of why he even joined the military is based on what he was before the use of that serum.
I know I think Marvel is trying to shy away from the stigma of the serum. They tocuhed on it a little in Streets of Poison, and in the “robo cap” storyline when the serum degenerated and the skull gave him a transfusion
Geez-Louise a lot of people have used the serum
Protocide
Cap
Isiah
Cold War Cap and Bucky (The Grand Director and Nomad)
The Red Skull (in the cloned body of Cap)
The Patriot(in a transfusion)
Marvel has a lot of 'splainin to do[/quote]
That’s why I can’t see them doing that. Too many characters owe their creation to that serum or one like it.
They can downplay the significance of it all they want to, but to claim it never existed is another thing all together.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
kevinm1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
kevinm1 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
WolBarret wrote:
So they’re trying to erase the fact that the SS Serum was used. Dude, the serum would mean nothing if Steve Rogers didn’t train and put in the hard work. He can drink all the serums he wants, a bullet to the cranium will end him.
That’s the point, I haven’t seen anywhere where they’ve stated that it was not used. Through the character MVP (also shot in the head), they are trying to claim that some people are just genetically pre-disposed to being able to do almost what Cap can do. They still used the serum on him though.
It’s in the annual
But are they claiming it was never used?
The entire soryline of why he even joined the military is based on what he was before the use of that serum.
I know I think Marvel is trying to shy away from the stigma of the serum. They tocuhed on it a little in Streets of Poison, and in the “robo cap” storyline when the serum degenerated and the skull gave him a transfusion
Geez-Louise a lot of people have used the serum
Protocide
Cap
Isiah
Cold War Cap and Bucky (The Grand Director and Nomad)
The Red Skull (in the cloned body of Cap)
The Patriot(in a transfusion)
Marvel has a lot of 'splainin to do
That’s why I can’t see them doing that. Too many characters owe their creation to that serum or one like it.
They can downplay the significance of it all they want to, but to claim it never existed is another thing all together.[/quote]
not the first time. Bendis during Avenger’s Disassembled claimed that there was no such thing as Chaos magic which destroyed all sorts of continuity, especially Doc Strange who was known as the master of chaos magic in the 60’s befire becoming sorceror supreme
I forget where I read it, but I was sure there was something about the Cap not needing the super-soldier serum being “in-universe propaganda.” Similar to the Warhammer 40k stuff all being subject to interpretation.
I could be completely wrong, though.
[quote]Vash wrote:
I forget where I read it, but I was sure there was something about the Cap not needing the super-soldier serum being “in-universe propaganda.” Similar to the Warhammer 40k stuff all being subject to interpretation.
I could be completely wrong, though.[/quote]
This man just brought up Warhammer. Take that to geek thread, sir.
Damnit Damnit damnit
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/4511.asp
Captain America=Weak bodied strong hearted man turned into perfect athlete
Hulk=Some guy with split personality blown up and turns into really pissed off green monster who “smashes”
No need to incorporate Cap’s origin into the Hulk at all, maybe a throw away line here or there to set up the next film but come on
Deathlock would make a great movie. Think Universal Soldier only without Van Damne
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Damnit Damnit damnit
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/4511.asp
Captain America=Weak bodied strong hearted man turned into perfect athlete
Hulk=Some guy with split personality blown up and turns into really pissed off green monster who “smashes”
No need to incorporate Cap’s origin into the Hulk at all, maybe a throw away line here or there to set up the next film but come on [/quote]
This is the result of mixing 616 with Ultimates. As long as they make Captain America a soldier in World War II, then I’m happy. I don’t want Captain America to be some recent guy.
[quote]kevinm1 wrote:
Damnit Damnit damnit
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/news/articles/4511.asp
Captain America=Weak bodied strong hearted man turned into perfect athlete
Hulk=Some guy with split personality blown up and turns into really pissed off green monster who “smashes”
No need to incorporate Cap’s origin into the Hulk at all, maybe a throw away line here or there to set up the next film but come on [/quote]
But they are related. In the Ultimate storyline, finding Cap’s body is a major drive for Banner…because the details of the serum were lost and his body would be the only clue to what they actually injected him with. Banner wants access to it because he believes it will give him control over the Hulk.