I just read this article detailing how polyunsaturated fats are basically the devil’s work. Claiming they cause all manner of diseases and ailments. Even claims that fish oils cause spontaneous creation of cancer. Surely this is not as bad as the author makes it out to be?
[quote]andrewe123 wrote:
I just read this article detailing how polyunsaturated fats are basically the devil’s work. Claiming they cause all manner of diseases and ailments. Even claims that fish oils cause spontaneous creation of cancer. Surely this is not as bad as the author makes it out to be?
http://www.coconutoil.com/ray_peat_unsaturated_oils.htm[ /quote]
And you found all of that on a site that sells saturated fat, how uncanny.
That is, quite possibly, the dumbest thing I have ever read. The “Ph.d” is claiming there’s no such thing as essential fats! What scientific evidence does he use to back up his ridiculous claims? A biochemistry book from 1948 – very up to date.
[quote]rkelly281 wrote:
That is, quite possibly, the dumbest thing I have ever read. The “Ph.d” is claiming there’s no such thing as essential fats! What scientific evidence does he use to back up his ridiculous claims? A biochemistry book from 1948 – very up to date.[/quote]
He probably got his PHD online.
Ok, I only skimmed the article, but got enough to refute most of it.
There are essential fatty acids, Omega-6 and Omega-3 polyunsaturated acids, we can maky pufa but only after CC bond 9.
An excess of Omega-6 fatty acids or at least a fation t hat is beyond 1-4/1-10 ish of Omega 3 to 6 fatty acids can cause some of those issues. The eisocenoids from Omega-6 fatty acids tend to cause bad things like inflamation and blood clotting; things that lead to CVD. Omega 3 Eisocenoids are anti inflammatory, blood thinners that are extremely healthy.
Yes, unsaturated fats suffer oxidative damage due to the points of unsaturation, but this hasn’t been shown to be harmful, and we try not to consume rancid oil anyway.
The oils do not stop digestion, that is wrong.
Pesticide concentrations, if present, are with in the healthy range which is monitored and tested by the FDA.
There is alot of debate about phytoestrogens, not definitive by any means, and it isn’t the oil that is the cause.
Etc, Etc.
Saturated fat is not good.
I think you get the point.
[quote]Zagman wrote:
Saturated fat is not good.
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Typo?
No, generalization. Yes it is useful for making hormones(more precisely the cholesterol) and should not be eliminated from the diet, I just feel that people should avoid large quantities of it. It is necessary, just not so cardio protective.
The generalization should be that we all get a balance of saturated, monounsaturated, and polyunsaturated fat. Sure, some people don’t do well with that, but most healthy people do.
[quote]Zagman wrote:
No, generalization. Yes it is useful for making hormones(more precisely the cholesterol) and should not be eliminated from the diet, I just feel that people should avoid large quantities of it. It is necessary, just not so cardio protective.[/quote]
Obviously you don’t know dick about coconut oil.
I didn’t read the article because I don’t give a fuck.
But coconut is a medium chain triglyceride. If you didn’t know that or the significance of that then you shouldn’t be giving nutrition advice about fats.
O.O.
I think J.Berardi is going to slap you silly. He is poisoning his clients by making some take 40 caps of fish oils a day.
Zagman, are you suggesting that somebody who uses coconut oil for cooking and in shakes, etc should switch to soy or canola oil to reduce saturated fat intake? Because I think that would be some pretty awful advice.
As far as I’m concerned, vegetable oil is a product of the food industry, and the nutritionists just went along with it, blinded by irrational fear of saturated fat.
There has never been a group of people who relied on vegetable oils for there subsistence, but there have been numerous indigenous peoples who got a majority of their calories from coconuts. Why didn’t they all drop dead from heart attacks?
Sword thrower, is that you again. I am not wasting time in this debate, again.
Saturated fat has been show to increase your risk of CVD. I would not go out of my way to add saturated fat to my diet, unless I was consuming no saturated fat.
MCTs need more research.
Fish oil is polyunsaturated fat.
[quote]Zagman wrote:
MCTs need more research.
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Good answer when your stumped.
The current research is intriguing, they may increase energy expenditure, reduce fat deposits, and increase satiety, in clinical animal and some human trials. That is fascinating research, but I want more before I make conclusions about them.
[quote]Zagman wrote:
Sword thrower, is that you again. I am not wasting time in this debate, again.
Saturated fat has been show to increase your risk of CVD. I would not go out of my way to add saturated fat to my diet, unless I was consuming no saturated fat.
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Sorry, I forgot how busy you were taking pictures of yourself in your underwear!
When your schedule clears up and you want to discuss this some more, just let me know.
[quote]Zagman wrote:
Sword thrower, is that you again. I am not wasting time in this debate, again.
Saturated fat has been show to increase your risk of CVD. I would not go out of my way to add saturated fat to my diet, unless I was consuming no saturated fat.
MCTs need more research.
Fish oil is polyunsaturated fat.[/quote]
Anything in high enough doses can be TOXIC. To be honest, both coconut and fish oil have their place in a smart athletes diet. If saturated fat really has been shown to increase your risk of CVD, then consider that everytime you pick up your fork and eat some pasture-fed beef might be your last day on earth because it has OMG (that deadly saturated fat).
You should be more concerned with trans-fats (which are a KNOWN cardiovascular risk not to mention cancer risk). To be honest, if I really wanted the best possible omega-3 oils, I would say f–k fish oil and go with krill oil (which is superior to fish oil anyways).
[quote]Zagman wrote:
Saturated fat is not good.
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Horsecrap, and you should know better. Their are multiple forms of saturated fats (some downright essential to/or extremely important to your health) Ever heard of lauric acid. Google that and you’ll find that is an extremely beneficial saturated fatty acid that is rich in mothers breast milk as well as coconut oil(OH NOZ! IT LOOKS LIKE BABIES ARE DOOMED! WATCH OUT YOUR YOUNG EN MIGHT JUST DIE OF A HEART ATTACK FROM ALL THAT SATURATED FAT IN THEIR BREAST MILK!).
You could make a legitimate case with plenty of science to back your claims up that excessive polyunsaturated fatty acid consumption (particularly vegetable oils) has far more negative health connotations than the selected intake of benefical saturated fatty acids. Their is a big difference getting your saturated fatty acids from eating Burger King every day versus eating lots of pasture-fed beef, raw cream, raw milk, etc…
[quote]Zagman wrote:
The current research is intriguing, they may increase energy expenditure, reduce fat deposits, and increase satiety, in clinical animal and some human trials. That is fascinating research, but I want more before I make conclusions about them.[/quote]
Yet you will accept and make a blanket statement about saturated fat being bad. Seems a little hypocritical don’t you think?
You spend your life reading studies and I’ll spend my time eating and in the gym.
Sorry I didn’t respond faster, I was in in the gym and just finished eating.
I know the topic is more complex than it has been elaborated upon, but I used a blanket statement that is endorsed by the nutritional community.
And yes I understand most of your views on the nutritional community, but I used the comment in response the the horse shit article that was posted. Everybody on here is tearing into my comment, but no one else it talking about the article that is a load of bull, the article that most of you would seem to agree with.
Nobody agreed with it. Everybody just agreed that coconut oil is good.
Does it fucking surprise, be smart and realize that many articles are just a sales pitch. Look around you is all I’m gonna say about that.
But just because the article is full of shit doesn’t mean you should use coconut oil. Oh yeh and the medical community are some of the most bass ackwards mother fuckers around and if you think all the medical community cares about it the health and good of the people and you are a naive son of a bitch.