I was going to live with some stoners for my second year at uni but decided against it for the reason that it does impair your academic performance and to be honest when you hang with people who get high ALL the time you get sucked in(i.e. you social life can suffer). I only do it once a week when I go to house parties.
I would not take LSD again, fucking hell that was some crazy stuff.
My experience of it:
I was moving out of my shared house and the night before my housemates decided they wanted a good send off for me. So one housemate(who was a bit loopy anyway) brings out this bottle of vodka mixed with LSD. There was 5 of us and we started taking shot after shot of this stuff. Long story short I was tripping for four days and didn’t feel back to normal for a good couple of weeks!
We ended up staying up all night (me, 3 girls and the guy who had the acid). I have to admit it was a good party. The problem was that the next day I was paranoid as fuck and ended up walking around town in a very hyperactive state of mind/body.
Don’t try LSD.
P.S. EDIT*it is bloody incredible when you want a good shag.
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
Salvia was the ONLY drug I can say with confidence “I will never take that again”, due to the highly unpleasant trip I experienced whilst on it.
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I’ve never heard anything good about salvia firsthand. Everyone I know personally that’s experimented with it had an intense, frightening 15-20 minute ‘bad trip.’ However, the broader opinion I’ve gotten from others is that it’s totally safe/unthreatening, oddly enough. I don’t believe it’s illegal in the USA, either. At least not yet.
[quote]Dirty_Bulk wrote:
Everyone I know personally that’s experimented with it had an intense, frightening 15-20 minute ‘bad trip.’ However, the broader opinion I’ve gotten from others is that it’s totally safe/unthreatening, oddly enough. [/quote]
I wouldn’t call it a bad trip, it’s more like the drug is just inherently unpleasant.
[quote]Dirty_Bulk wrote:
bushidobadboy wrote:
Salvia was the ONLY drug I can say with confidence “I will never take that again”, due to the highly unpleasant trip I experienced whilst on it.
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I’ve never heard anything good about salvia firsthand. Everyone I know personally that’s experimented with it had an intense, frightening 15-20 minute ‘bad trip.’ However, the broader opinion I’ve gotten from others is that it’s totally safe/unthreatening, oddly enough. I don’t believe it’s illegal in the USA, either. At least not yet.[/quote]
Only illegal in some states at the moment. But the current trend is to outlaw it in all.
Make sure you read the article on the ‘Current Global Crisis’.
But the SINGLE best book isn’t by him - it’s by the MIT neuroscience professor James Austin and is called ‘Zen and the Brain’.
Interestingly, Grof moved beyond advocating drug use and developed holotropic breathwork instead, whilst Austin remarks that ‘sooner or later, most give up LSD’.
I’ll quote it at length because I think some of you will be interested (and a couple probably NEED to read it haha):
“Anything that makes the setting and the experience itself more artificial will later make it more diffuclt to assimilate the brief state in a positive way into the rest of life’s ongoing experiences. I do not endorse or use drugs. But many others have tried both routes. Sooner or later, most abandon LSD. It turns out to be an obstacle, not an aid. Watts, recounting his earlier LSD experiments, went on to entitle his later article: “Ordinary Mind Is the Way”. ‘Ordinary mind’ meant a state that was clear, stable, and undistracted by hallucinations. This is the Zen Way. Moreover, people tend to devalue their drug-induced experiences, and for several reasons: 1) The impression lingers that the moments were contrived, counterfeit, something like an unearned run. 2) The first, hallucinatory phase of psychedelics can be unpleasant. This unpleasant tone - in ways not yet fully defined - prevents the full impact of the experience from being either fully registered, clearly perceived, or integrated thereafter in a positive transforming way. [This is the danger of psychedelics and the reason they can have lead to lead to problems if taken by the wrong person at the wrong time.] 3) Persons who shoot up frequently may have other difficulties, primary or acquired, psychiatric, neurological, or legal. These problems prevent them from integrating with the mainstream of society. 4) There is increasing awareness that drugs, cocaine in particular, can damage the brain or kill. 5) Cultural and religious biases persist against “mind-altering” drugs.”
I smoked salvia on a mountainside in the middle of a desert with my buddy a few years ago. The main problem in doing this was that I had just gotten back from another desert, but that one was made of sand and its inhabitants were trying to kill me…
Not a very pleasant time…
Some highlights:
-thought a buddy of mine was there, he was really dead
-saw a wall of balloons with a counter of darts in front of it
-kept thinking insurgents were diving behind scrub brush
-thought an old truck was about to run me over, I’d look over my shoulder and it was coming at me
-had a flashback of my buddy getting his face blown off
-saw the same spot an IED went off that fucked me up
All in all, not a great time, but I also wasn’t in a good place mentally speaking…
I’m in school, at Uni, and I’ve gotten negative reactions from msot people when they find out I did/do use drugs. I think most of thise drug culture must happen behind closed doors in close knit dorm room environments or something.
I have been around people who have taken lots of acid over the years and have yet to meet one who has had a “flash back” (maybe they exist, but you would think that living in San Francisco I would at least have come across one).
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I did tons of acid. Almost every weekend between 1974 and 1978. I had only one real bad trip. It took me 4 years to get there, but that was the last time I dropped LSD.
No flashbacks, per se, but something in my brain crossed over, and I just haven’t been the same since. Certain things will trigger a sort of panic attack, and I never know when or where it will happen, but that’s about as close to a flashback as I can get. I should also mention that I was crazy and reckless BEFORE I took LSD.
Yeah, there are people like that in college from my experience. Not an insignificant number. But many more just drink and smoke pot. Maybe a little coke from time to time. Some do nothing.
I guess I am just some kind of Pollyanna as I only consumed vast quanitities of cheap beer, cheap whiskey, occasional bottle of nighttrain and a can of Copenhagen a day. Never considered smoking dope or taking anything else at anytime while in college.
Been twelve years since I graduated and still have never touched anything else and I am down to about half a can of cope a day now.
As far as parenting goes. I have a thirteen year old and I am not worried at all about him taking drugs either in highschool or college. I have used myself as an example that it is unnecessary and a waste of time and money. Peer pressure aside he is mentally going to be strong enough to tell his friends no thanks, just like his old man did. Does not mean you cannot be friends with the people, you just do not have to partake. All my roommates smoked, some friends did some other stuff and it was no big deal as myself not doing it left more for everyone else…
[quote]World1187 wrote:
I smoked salvia on a mountainside in the middle of a desert with my buddy a few years ago. The main problem in doing this was that I had just gotten back from another desert, but that one was made of sand and its inhabitants were trying to kill me…
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Whoa, you did Salvia in a military combat situation?! I can see that causing a bad trip, which you obviously had.
Salvia really requires for the user to pay close attention to “set and setting”. In other words, you need to be in the right mindset and be in a setting that is comfortable, relaxing, etc. Up until a few years ago, I actually grew the plant in a pot in my backyard (my plant died when I went on vacation and a friend over watered the plant, killing it). Before taking it, I made sure that I was in a perfect state of mind and everything going on around me was perfect. I only took it a couple of times.
This stuff is powerful, and I gave it its due respect. Geez, if I were to do this stuff in a combat or violent situation, I’d probably lose my mind completely. World1187 must have great mental health to be able to come out of that situation unscathed.
Salvia is a real high-powered plant, not a “party drug” and should only be tampered with by those wanting to explore the nether regions of the mind. I know that at one time (maybe still) they were selling it in “head shops” as alternative marijuana. That probably lead teenagers to think it was similar to marijuana, when in fact, it is way too powerful. Apparently, not knowing what to expect, a lot of these teenagers ended up in Emergency Rooms, due to freak-out when the Salvia came on strong.
Good for you for never doing drugs. But as a parent your delusional if you honestly believe that the reasons you gave will completely stop your son from trying drugs. I’m not trying to be rude, but in the end it doesn’t really matter what you say and he’ll decide.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Good for you for never doing drugs.[/quote]
Why don’t you consider alcohol and nicotine drugs, and POTENTIALLY “dangerous” ones at that? (underlining POTENTIALLY because ALL drugs are POTENTIALLY dangerous) How many people die or become addicted to alcohol every year?
How many people die or become addicted to nicotine every year?
I guess technically I do consider them drugs, though I have nothing against peoples use of drugs, in the traditional sense, or alcohol or nicotine. I think everyone should use what they want and do not consider them a lesser person for it.
I was just responding to deadleg’s post in the context he presented…drugs referring to thinks like “smoking dope” as he put it.
I don’t want to get hung up on words as really all substances that produce a different state of mind or feeling would technically be drugs. I just was using the words drugs and most people generally use it.
I’m all for anyone’s use of anything they choose, if thats what they want and choose to do, who am I to tell them not too?
I was just saying that his idea that his son will never try “smoking dope” or any other drugs, in the tradition sense of the word, just because he told him they were a waste of time and used himself as an example…certainly doesn’t guarantee his son will follow suit.
[quote]entheogens wrote:
World1187 wrote:
I smoked salvia on a mountainside in the middle of a desert with my buddy a few years ago. The main problem in doing this was that I had just gotten back from another desert, but that one was made of sand and its inhabitants were trying to kill me…
Whoa, you did Salvia in a military combat situation?! I can see that causing a bad trip, which you obviously had.
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No no no…
I did salvia when I got back to the States. Not while I was overseas. I was in a desert here, and in a desert there, obviously they were much different for multiple reasons, but still somewhat similar.
I guess a combination of being in a desert again and having just been shot at for a good while made it a really fucked up experience.
[quote]GetSwole wrote:
Good for you for never doing drugs. But as a parent your delusional if you honestly believe that the reasons you gave will completely stop your son from trying drugs. I’m not trying to be rude, but in the end it doesn’t really matter what you say and he’ll decide.[/quote]