When Is It OK (If Ever) for a Young Guy to Take PEDs?

Pharma / TRT
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I get asked this question a lot, especially by young guys at the gym wanting to hop on a cycle or two.

I feel a bit like a hypocrite telling them not to do it. That’s not to say I condone it, I usually tell the gym bros to stfu and not take anything so young because it can have detrimental effects on their health and well being down the line.

But i find it hard to tell a ball player not to partake. I was a division 1 athlete (small school) that was completely naive to the fact that most of my friends that made it to big division 1 schools and even went pro were all juicing. I still wonder to this day what trajectory my life could have taken if i followed in their footsteps.

I know, it is all relative, i could have ended up worse off with bitch tits or something but still i always wonder. What if?

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If doing steroids at 18 is 100% going to lead to you making $1,000,000+ a year then do it. Otherwise, take creatine and at least wait until your brain is fully developed in your mid/late twenties and you have your life in check.

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Only that there’s no certainties in life, right? It is a risk vs reward trade off.

Do you think PEDs should be allowed in professional sports?

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If it’s not certain then you have your answer.

Be a lot cooler if they were. Go look at early MMA fights.

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Do I think PED’s should be allowed in professional sports? Yes… preferably if society could get over stupid preconceived notions regarding drug use (yet alcohol is totally fine), then athletes could be open and honest with fans, sports would be a whole lot more interesting too. Most Athletes cycle at a professional level, it’s something the public doesn’t want to believe yet it’s a fact… and we act all shocked when an Olympic level athlete gets caught out… like seriously, what the fuck did you expect? This athlete makes a living from exercise, it makes sense he/she would use whatever equipment he/she has at his/her means to maximally improve performance.

Do I think young people should be using anabolics? Look, the neurodevelopmental aspect is, in my opinion… overrated depending on the compound at stake (19-Nors will have by far the biggest impact). Being an adolescent is an incredibly voilatile period in which small changes within neurochemistry can drastically alter ones demeanor, however the argument “fuck you… you immature piece of shit, you’re irreversibly altering you’re brain chemistry” doesn’t resonate with me. Most, of not ALL teenagers I know have irreparably altered their brain chemistry growing up, myself included. Ethanol (binge drinking) and recreational drug use has a profound impact within the developing brain, I’m not saying this justifies more damage/ that it’s okay if a teen doesn’t partake within these activities (rare), so they can use AAS. I’m merely pointing out most kids by the age of 19-21 have some degree of neurological deficit induced by prior “extracurricular activities”. I don’t think it’s the right thing to do, however I see it the same way for adults.

The only difference I perceive is the fact that most teenagers tend to be far more impulsive, risky with their decisions without thinking of consequence (myself included in relation to certain variables), THIS is due to a lack of prefrontal cortex maturation… of which AAS will interfere with… I’ll add on more soon, at gym currently

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Yeah good post.

I always find it absurd that as a society we think drinking is ok when it has been shown to be the most detrimental of drugs out of them all.

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Risks for young guys using gear:

1 - Presuming they’re in the US, there’s the whole federal crime, arrest, and jail issue.

2 - Shoot pool with a rope. What’s the point of getting yoked and picking up girls if you can’t take it farther than second base?

3 - Physiological and cognitive side effects that can take years to correct (literally talking to a guy in another thread right now who fucked up his system by running multiple cycles in his early-20s)

4 - More potential long-term side effects were covered in this phenomenal and well-researched article.

Rewards for young guys using gear:

1 - Build muscle and strength a couple of months sooner than you would’ve achieved naturally.

2 - Um, yeah, that’s about it.

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Never heard of heroin, fentanyl, cocaine, crystal meth?

This is hilarious

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Yes, of course i have but alcohol is so prominent in our society that the sheer number of social issues and havoc it causes dwarfs that of those other drugs. We only don’t talk about it because it is accepted.

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Maybe on a per capita basis alcohol does more damage because mot people drink, but if any of those other drugs were as popular as alcohol then you can be sure they would become an even bigger problem. Also it’s possible (and very common) to drink responsibly and without negative effects, not so much with hard drugs.

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There was a crazy statistic I read recently where something like 75% or more of reported on campus rap and sexual assault involved both parties being under the influence of alcohol.

So when I look at how many people I’ve known that their lives have been actively fucked up by booze vs steroid use I have to say that alcohol is way more destructive.

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Or in my case… what’s the point of getting yoked when you can’t talk to girls… that is if I was lifting to get girls (which isn’t why I lift these days, perhaps when I was 13 this was my reasoning)

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That should say “more”, not “mot”

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Alcohol is more destructive if abused, there’s no argument there.

Drink heavily 2-3 days per week like many kids I know do, keep that up for a decade or two… consequences will be about on par with/worse than aas abuse (depending on dose used)

It’s about the dose/duration of the poison… that and genetics

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It’s never ok.

People have to decide when they are willing to do not ok things.

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The argument was not about AAS, see my previous posts.

EDIT:
I see the problem:

And again, I wasn’t talking about steroids.

Anyway, I think I’m done here.

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I actually believe alcohol is about on par with coke (when abused heavily) in terms of potential harms, I’ve never used cocaine though so I can’t judge what it feels like. I assume it feels similar to amphetamines, but more intense in which case… ew… gross… nonononono

Meth, heroin, fentanyl etc are totally different beasts… heroin due to immense addictive potential (surpassing that of fentanyl but perhaps equal to oxycodone), and fentanyl due to the very low threshold for a lethal dose

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This opinion surprises me. I mean, I haven’t partaken either but the simple fact that booze has mostly verifiable alcohol content should be enough. I assume when purchasing cocaine you never know how pure it is and how easily you could overdose. Just assumptions from TV and fantasy land though… no real experience here.

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When you were 13 you were lifting to get girls, but now that you’re 18 years old you’re NOT LIFTING TO GET GIRLS? My man, denial is a slippery slope…

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I lift at this point to relieve stress/anxiety and because I enjoy the endorphin rush it gives me

I also do quite a bit of cardio for the exact same reasons. I’m muscular enough to garner the interest of the opposite sex at the moment… I think, but to get girls what I really need to work on is social anxiety and my ability to actually communicate with the opposite sex. At this point, no amount of muscle in the world will get me girls if I can’t talk